Lame: Obama given Nobel "Peace" Prize

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SKYWALKEN

Friday, October 9, 2009 10:21 AM

Apparently the socialists gave it to him "for his extraordinary efforts to destroy the U.S. economy and national security infrastructure."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/president-barack-obama-wins
-nobel-peace-prize

Congrats, Barry O, you now follow in the footsteps of Yasser Arafat.

PIRATENEWS

Friday, October 9, 2009 10:41 AM

Didn't Nobel invent DYNOMITE?

KWICKO

Friday, October 9, 2009 11:52 AM

What a thing to wake up to...

I voted for "hope" and "change", but so far I've seen damned little of either. And I'm damned if I can see any great strides he's made towards "peace" - at least this quickly into his administration.

Iraq: Still a quagmire. Still mired in it. There's *talk* of leaving, maybe, someday.

Iran: Lots of sabre-rattling, much of it from our side of the ocean. Little in the way of real negotiations aimed at securing anything like "peace", in our time or any other.

Afghanistan: "Hello, Mister President; this is Hamid Karzai. Hey, listen - our country's on fire, and burning quickly. Can you send us some gasoline?"

I mean, seriously... I *like* the guy. I think he just MIGHT do some amazing things (let's hope they're amazingly good, and not amazingly bad like the douche he followed into office). But to give him the Nobel Peace Prize NOW, when he hasn't really done much of anything?

Oh, wait - he DID get everybody here at home all riled up and toting guns to his appearances. Is that what we're calling "peace" these days?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 12:55 PM

I gotta say . . . I heard this right before getting out of the car to go into work. I was joking that the "shocking" winner would be Obama, but when I actually heard it? It made me ill. I mean, c'mon. The guy has done NOTHING to warrant this at this point in time. He made one globe-hopping trip to say "sorry" for America and they're calling THAT an "extraordinary effort"? Really? Or did they think it extraordinary that he flew to Copenhagen to promote Chicago for the site of the 2016 Olympics? Really?

Again . . . in the words of our beloved captain . . ., "Huh."

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What a thing to wake up to...

I voted for "hope" and "change", but so far I've seen damned little of either. And I'm damned if I can see any great strides he's made towards "peace" - at least this quickly into his administration.

Mike, I find we usually agree on most everything, but I'mma have to part ways here a bit, I think it's cool. It's like a supreme thank you for the better 'tude out of the White House, and a vote of confidence that Obama will continue on this course & achieve quite a bit before Rush Limbaugh wins the seat in 2012.

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:21 PM

Hes black.

He was elected President of the U.S.

What ELSE do you need to get the Nobel Peace Prize?

*sigh

Affirmative Action... its extended to the Nobel committee.

Yay.

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hes black.

If you honestly believe that, if this isn't some Wulf-humour, then you REALLY have a racist streak you should look to.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What a thing to wake up to...

I voted for "hope" and "change", but so far I've seen damned little of either. And I'm damned if I can see any great strides he's made towards "peace" - at least this quickly into his administration.

Mike, I find we usually agree on most everything, but I'mma have to part ways here a bit, I think it's cool. It's like a supreme thank you for the better 'tude out of the White House, and a vote of confidence that Obama will continue on this course & achieve quite a bit before Rush Limbaugh wins the seat in 2012.

The laughing Chrisisall

I get all that, Chris, but still - do you give the Nobel Prize in physics for what someone MIGHT do? Or just because they're a better public speaker than "that other guy"?

I would LOVE it if Obama were to win the Nobel Peace Prize in 8 or 10 years, because his extraordinary efforts actually brought peace and prosperity to more of the world. So far, though, I'm just not seein' it.

And I think it sets a pretty low bar to give out the Peace Prize for "not being Dubya Bush". I mean, really - is that all it takes these days?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

KWICKO

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hes black.

He was elected President of the U.S.

What ELSE do you need to get the Nobel Peace Prize?

*sigh

Affirmative Action... its extended to the Nobel committee.

Yay.

Why do you think that?

On what precedent do you base this? You state two things: he's black, and he was elected President of the U.S.

I have to ask: does it take just one of those things to win the prize, or does it take both? If it just takes the one, then why hasn't every black person in the world won it, or every President? And if it takes both of them together to be eligible, then how has anyone else EVER won it?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:52 PM

Let me ask you guys this... other than the fact that he is the first black President, what has he done to earn the Nobel Peace Prize?

Anyone?

Did he cure cancer? Aids? Create peace in the Middle East?

Anything?

Hes been in office for less than a year...

Maybe I thought winning the Nobel Peace Prize was more involved than this.

I thought you had to actually DO something.

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
to give out the Peace Prize for "not being Dubya Bush".

Not bein' Dubya is something all world leaders should strive for.

My Wife said on her way out just now that Obama has brought a sense of civility back to our nation, and affirmed the idea that America is a partner in the world, not its dictator.
I conjure that's what the Nobel peeps see.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Let me ask you guys this... other than the fact that he is the first black President, what has he done to earn the Nobel Peace Prize?

Don't READ the posts, Wulf, just stomp & scream.

The laughing Chrisisall

EVILDINOSAUR

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:57 PM

I have to agree. I like Obama, I think he has the potential to do some good if not great things. But he hasn't done them yet.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 1:58 PM

"The Nobel committee's decision was motivated by Obama's initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism."

I too would like to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world, and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.

Can I have my Nobel Peace Prize now? I need a new drink coaster...

ETA: "Yet the choice was stunning given the nomination deadline of Feb.1, less than two weeks after the Obama presidency began."

So... when he was "chosen" he had been in office for less than 2 weeks.

Wow. GODDAMIT, I HATE BEING RIGHT ABOUT THIS CRAP!!

ANTHONYT

Friday, October 9, 2009 2:30 PM

Hello,

Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize brings a new level of meaninglessness to the award.

"Not Being Dubya" ain't enough. There are lots of nations that have replaced a bad leader with a leader who has accomplished nothing.

"Inspiring a nation" ain't measurable, because it's easy to inspire a nation for tiny specks of time. The submission deadline for the prize was 2 weeks after he became president. This means his conduct in inspiring the nation as its leader for 2 weeks was sufficient? Even 'Dubya' inspired this nation for 2 weeks after 9-11, with approval ratings shooting through the roof on nothing more substantial than patriotism.

This award makes me shake my head, and I feel shame. Actual shame that a do-nothing president has won this award instead of someone who might have accomplished anything measurable anywhere in the globe.

I wish he would decline the award, and say, "I'm sorry. I haven't earned this yet. I will strive to be deserving of it someday. Until then, please give it to someone better suited."

THAT would be a start to greatness.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

CREVANREAVER

Friday, October 9, 2009 3:03 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Following Award of Nobel Prize, Obama Inducted into Baseball Hall of Fame!

http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/following-award-of-nobel-prize-oba
ma.html

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 3:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"The Nobel committee's decision was motivated by Obama's initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism."

I too would like to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world, and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.

You're right about this, Wulf. I doubt him being black had anything to do with it, though, so I don't blame the others for throwing some flak your way on that one.

So, basically . . . this is just a superfluous award and Obama really should respectfully decline the "honor" given the circumstances. Period. The deadline was 2 weeks after he was inaugurated? Really? Really? I mean seriously though. Take the explanation step by step:

"Initiatives to reduce nuclear arms" - He basically went to the UN and said "Can't we all just get along? We'll do it if you do it."

"Initiatives to ease tensions with the Muslim world" - He basically went to a Muslim country and said "Can't we all just get along? We will if you will."

"Initiatives to stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism." - He basically went to some other countries and said "Can't we all just get along? We will if you will."

So, like Wulf, I think we should all submit our names for next year's prize. It seems like all we have to do is go around being nice to people and saying sorry to folks of different nationalities and religions than ourselves for whatever wrongs they perceive America has done to their people.

Oh . . . and blame it all on Bush. That part is vital. Because . . . you know . . . Roland Burris says he's the reason Chicago didn't get the 2016 Olympics.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 3:51 PM

While I too think it would have been nice for Obama to have earned the award with a major accomplishment, or at least a few years of good work, I find myself nevertheless pleased at this.

And why shouldn't I be ?

Dubya was AT BEST a major embarrassment to anyone with a sense of justice, fairness, or even reality. I cringed at every thing he did. He had the largest security failure on HIS watch. He started not one but TWO wars of choice, which so far have killed hundreds of thousands, ruined the economy with mountainous debt, shredded the reputation of the US with allies and potential allies, and other crimes and misdemeanors.

NOT being Dubya is worthy of note.

And as for the prize, I went back to 1960. How many names do YOU recognize as being worthy ?

2009
The prize goes to:
BARACK OBAMA for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

2008
The prize goes to:
MARTTI AHTISAARI for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades, to resolve international conflicts.

2007
The prize goes to:
INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE (IPCC) and ALBERT ARNOLD ( AL) GORE JR. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.

2006
The prize goes to:
MUHAMMAD YUNUS and GRAMEEN BANK for their efforts to create economic and social development from below.

2005
The prize was awarded jointly to:
INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY and MOHAMED ELBARADEI for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way.

2004
The prize was awarded to:
WANGARI MAATHAI
for her contribution to sustainable development, democracy and peace

2003
The prize was awarded to:
SHIRIN EBADI
for her efforts for democracy and human rights

2002
The prize was awarded to:
JIMMY CARTER JR., former President of the United States of America,
for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development

2001
The prize was awarded to:
UNITED NATIONS, New York, NY, USA
KOFI ANNAN, United Nations Secretary General

2000
The prize was awarded to:
KIM DAE JUNG for his work for democracy and human rights in South Korea and in East Asia in general, and for peace and reconciliation with North Korea in particular.

1999
The prize was awarded to:
DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS (MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES), Brussels, Belgium.

1998
The prize was awarded jointly to:
JOHN HUME and DAVID TRIMBLE for their efforts to find a peaceful solution to the conflict in Northern Ireland.

1997
The prize was awarded jointly to:
INTERNATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO BAN LANDMINES (ICBL) and JODY WILLIAMS for their work for the banning and clearing of anti-personnel mines.

1996
The prize was awarded jointly to:
CARLOS FELIPE XIMENES BELO and JOSE RAMOS-HORTA for their work towards a just and peaceful solution to the conflict in East Timor.

1995
The prize was awarded jointly to:
JOSEPH ROTBLAT and to the PUGWASH CONFERENCES ON SCIENCE AND WORLD AFFAIRS for their efforts to diminish the part played by nuclear arms in international politics and in the longer run to eliminate such arms.

1994
The prize was awarded jointly to:
YASSER ARAFAT , Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO, President of the Palestinian National Authority.
SHIMON PERES , Foreign Minister of Israel.
YITZHAK RABIN , Prime Minister of Israel.
for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East.

1993
The prize was awarded jointly to:
NELSON MANDELA Leader of the ANC.
FREDRIK WILLEM DE KLERK President of the Republic of South Africa.

1992
RIGOBERTA MENCHU TUM, Guatemala. Campaigner for human ri

DREAMTROVE

Friday, October 9, 2009 3:56 PM

Oh, come on, this is absurd.

I'm in complete agreement with Mike on this one.

Remember, one went to a man who made a boring movie that was so incredibly inaccurate scientifically, that it set back the cause of environmentalism years at least.

I want to add, I think if someone on the left does something, they get a prize. Maybe a little balance is needed on the committee.

This is even worse than the Gore fiasco though: A man gets the Nobel Peace Prize for escalating a war. So far I've read something about him getting 1400 Americans killed and god knows how many afghans and pakistanis.

I'm afraid the Peace Prize committee is really totally discrediting itself. But then, it did that when it overlooked Chris Hill's work on N.K. to give it to Al Gore.

Meanwhile, in looneyland:

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hes black.

If you honestly believe that,

No, Wulf, Mike's right. He's not black. Actually, he really isn't. He's no genetic relation to the people with whom you have such a problem. He did live in a black neighborhood, but then so did I. Wait? Am I black? Uh oh. Wulf also lived in a black neighborhood, that makes him black too!

Seriously, the "not W" is part of it, but "OMG, it's a liberal! (committee orgasms)" angle here cannot be ignored.

Finally, there's another angle: The prize is often awarded to assholes who are a menace, as a Dale Carnegie approach to get them to change their behavior. This is why it was given to Yasser Arafat. It gives them a high standard to live up to. "I'm a man of peace. Me!"

Oh no. That might be it. We've been voted the world's biggest asshole. Hmm. considering the amount of chaos we're currently causing, is this true. Have we become the world's biggest asshole state?

I remember a few years ago, every tin plated dictator like Chavez, Mugabe etc. would denounce the US to gain creds, and distract from their own evils. But are we now in the same position? Are we the tin plated dictatorship that points fingers at Venezuela and Iran because we are just trying to deflect attention away from who really dealt it?

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:04 PM

Ehhh, they always award it to someone not really doing anything.

The laughing Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:10 PM

I agree he hasn't earned it - but I looooove the response it's provoked in the right. I can't wait to watch Hannity and Beck tonight.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:12 PM

I just heard, Obama took some Tylenol.

2 different Universities have now given him a medical degree.

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
"OMG, it's a liberal! (committee orgasms)"

How about "OMG, it's not a 100% piece of SHIT!" angle? In a world like this, of COURSE we reward the least retarded! Sheesh!

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I just heard, Obama took some Tylenol.

Shut up, dog. Barking to bark ain't amusing.
Al Gore got the Nobel prize 'cause he was white.

Being progressive, no matter how slow the progression, has NOTHING to do with it.

I like you Wulf, but if you were here right now I'd pound some sense into ya. With a big hunk of frozen Freedom Fries! Then you could use my weapon to cool your wounds.

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:24 PM

You're just mad cause I made a good joke first.

lol

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:25 PM

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
...In a world like this, of COURSE we reward the least retarted! Sheesh!

Least retarted?

Ironic , eh ?

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:32 PM

Lower the standards...

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
You're just mad cause I made a good joke first.

You married a girl who isn't white, big deal, so did I, that does not equal being racism-free. Racism is in all of us, like original xenophobia- how we educate ourselves to control or eradicate it is the important thing. To play to it to compensate for other more liberal views is intellectually dishonest. To hate on Obama to balance the hate on Bush is too simplistic to even discuss. Bush did some good things, Obama is doing some bad- call each individual play, don't disqualify entire games.

That's my rant.

The laughing Chrisisall

ANTHONYT

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:36 PM

"NOT being Dubya is worthy of note."

Hello,

No. It's not. It's really not. We need to set the bar a bit higher for the US president. "Better than the Last Really Bad President" is not a place to set expectations, and it is absolutely NOT worthy of prizes and laurels. This attitude is not only disgusting, it's dangerous.

Many of us were overcome by the euphoria of having a better president than Bush, but what does that mean? It's time to stop hailing the man for being 'The Diet Coke of Evil," to borrow an Austin Powers reference.

Obama has repeatedly and reliably been a disappointment to people on both the left and the right. You ought not to get medals for that. You certainly shouldn't be PROUD to have your president get an award that boldly declares, "This jerk is an improvement on the last jerk."

Is he better than Bush? So far, sure. But that probably applies to the majority of Americans.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Least retarted?

Ironic , eh ?

I believe it's the first time I ever used the word in a sentance before. Sorry. Product of public education here.
I was a child left behind...

The laughing Chrisisall

SKYWALKEN

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:38 PM

Meet the People Who Were Passed Over for Obama

Sima Samar, women's rights activist in Afghanistan: "With dogged persistence and at great personal risk, she kept her schools and clinics open in Afghanistan even during the most repressive days of the Taliban regime, whose laws prohibited the education of girls past the age of eight. When the Taliban fell, Samar returned to Kabul and accepted the post of Minister for Women's Affairs."

Ingrid Betancourt: French-Colombian ex-hostage held for six years.

"Dr. Denis Mukwege: Doctor, founder and head of Panzi Hospital in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. He has dedicated his life to helping Congolese women and girls who are victims of gang rape and brutal sexual violence."

Handicap International and Cluster Munition Coalition: "These organizations are recognized for their consistently serious efforts to clean up cluster bombs, also known as land mines. Innocent civilians are regularly killed worldwide because the unseen bombs explode when stepped upon."

"Hu Jia, a human rights activist and an outspoken critic of the Chinese government, who was sentenced last year to a three-and-a-half-year prison term for 'inciting subversion of state power.'"

"Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system. He now lives in the United States."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/meet_the_people_wh
o_were_passe.asp

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Is he better than Bush? So far, sure. But that probably applies to the majority of Americans.

AND parameciums.

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:41 PM

"You married a girl who isn't white, big deal, so did I, that does not equal being racism-free. Racism is in all of us, like original xenophobia- how we educate ourselves to control or eradicate it is the important thing. To play to it to compensate for other more liberal views is intellectually dishonest. To hate on Obama to balance the hate on Bush is too simplistic to even discuss. Bush did some good things, Obama is doing some bad- call each individual play, don't disqualify entire games."

WTF?

Im mad because the guy didn't actually EARN this. It discredits everyone who ACTUALLY did!

Do you think if McCain had won the election, he would be getting the award? Hell no!

Hillary, maybe.

But it just goes to show that its rigged. Libs cream their pants cause hes black, they would do the same thing cause Hillary is a woman (barely).

So, Im more pissed that this guy did NOTHING to earn the award... yet they give it to him cause hes black (or to Hillary cause she a woman) than to some schmuck out there working their ass off to make the world a better place.

Yeah. Just lower the standards.

By the way, I tied my shoelaces this morning.

Someone give me a trophy.

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skywalken:
Meet the People Who Were Passed Over for Obama

Okay, you made a good point. Really.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Libs cream their pants cause hes black, they would do the same thing cause Hillary is a woman.

Silly silly British man.

The laughing Chrisisall

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:45 PM

4 cents worth:

1.Obama hasn't done anything yet to deserve this. I agree that he has the potential, but he hasn't accomplished it yet.( And remember, I'm a liberal, I like the guy, I voted for him...)

2.As to why he was nominated or won, you'd have to ask the Scandi-hoovians, if you don't believe their official statement.

3.He's entitled to be nominated or to win. If he'd have ever said, " Boy, I deserve a Nobel," or, "I can get a Nobel if I do this," or "This'll qualify me for a Nobel,", you'd have to condemn him as having an awful lot of balls.

4. I looked over Rue's list of winners-- there are some good folks and good groups on there, who have done some inspiring things to lessen war, violence, and the effects thereof on the world, some more temporarily than others. There are some other folks who encouraged the hope of some progress. And there are some, just, well, bad choices...

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:46 PM

For Gods sake.

The guy did nothing.

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
For Gods sake.

The guy did nothing.

More that you or I.
Just sayin'.

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:48 PM

So what qualifys him as worthy of being given the Nobel Peace prize?

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
1.Obama hasn't done anything yet to deserve this.

In a concrete fashion I am forced to agree. In a way, it's like the Nobel peeps are betting... like if he can do what would actually win it, fine. If he can't, well then, we're all finished anyway.
2012 is coming.
You won't be around to say they're wrong if humanity folds, right?
I personally applaud them for betting we won't.

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 4:58 PM

Nice.

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Nice.

Is that nice like it's good to have faith nice, or nice like yeah right nice?

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:09 PM

"Libs cream their pants cause hes black, they would do the same thing cause Hillary is a woman (barely)."

Here you are, pretending to speak for people after you claimed you can't speak for anyone but yourself - and on top of that, completely getting it wrong - yet again. And I suspect if you write that, it's because it's how you habitually think. That's a bad habit you really need to get away from.

Try to limit yourself to stating your opinions and not someone else's, OK ?

There are many people who have done heroic work in the face of evil, who have put themselves at risk and sometimes suffered terribly. How does one apportion credit ? Does it go to the anonymous political prisoner who does as much as they personally can for their fellow inmates from their limited position ? Does it go to the group who has put in years of work to try to ameliorate the worst human-made tragedies ?

I think one has to look at their global contribution to WORLD peace. And who has better turned the tide than Obama, refuting Bush's 'we refuse to talk to 'them', we don't recognize the cause of global peace, shoot first and never apologize' agenda ?

Getting one of THE major global forces engaging in diplomacy again is a major step up from the pit Bush dug for us. It is a game-changer for the world.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

ASARIAN

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What a thing to wake up to...

I voted for "hope" and "change", but so far I've seen damned little of either. And I'm damned if I can see any great strides he's made towards "peace" - at least this quickly into his administration.

Mike, I find we usually agree on most everything, but I'mma have to part ways here a bit, I think it's cool. It's like a supreme thank you for the better 'tude out of the White House, and a vote of confidence that Obama will continue on this course & achieve quite a bit before Rush Limbaugh wins the seat in 2012.

In earnest, I think it was premature. Ridiculously premature, even. You ought to receive such a prestigious award as a 'lifetime achievement' thingy -- or, at the very least, have met the 'achievement' part. Being elected President should not be enough. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy just fine. But to give it to him now, when he really hasn't done anything yet? I mean, if for nothing else, what will you give him when he actually DOES arise to greatness?

Then again, the Nobel Peace Prize has never been about accomplishments per se. It's a political award. Which is precisely what I dislike about it. Sure, support a Sovjet dissident; or a Tibetan monk; give him the Nobel Prize! But, in the end, all you're really doing is meddling in the political affairs of other countries -- only difference being that your agenda is blatantly open this time, instead of the usual hidden.

I guess I'm an old-fashioned guy that way. I feel people should receive awards for things they accomplished, and not because they happen to be a figure in history others would love to see rise at the expensive of this-or-that regime deemed wrong. It's so ostentatiously corrupt that way. Corrupt with a halo.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:22 PM

"I guess I'm an old-fashioned guy that way. I feel people should receive awards for things they accomplished..."

Me too.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:25 PM

"Getting one of THE major global forces engaging in diplomacy again is a major step up from the pit Bush dug for us. It is a game-changer for the world."

He DID do this.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:28 PM

So did I.

I ordered a nice katana from Japan. Cost me a pretty penny too.

I'M engaging in diplomacy. Where's my award.

Btw, Im still waiting for my trophy after I tied my shoes this morning.

PEACEKEEPER

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hes black.

He was elected President of the U.S.

What ELSE do you need to get the Nobel Peace Prize?

*sigh

Affirmative Action... its extended to the Nobel committee.

Yay.

Why do you think that?

On what precedent do you base this? You state two things: he's black, and he was elected President of the U.S.

I have to ask: does it take just one of those things to win the prize, or does it take both? If it just takes the one, then why hasn't every black person in the world won it, or every President? And if it takes both of them together to be eligible, then how has anyone else EVER won it?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

If,by being the first black President, Mr Obama has cured all racial prejudice around the world,then the prize would be justified. But even then,that should be issued to the American voters for making it happen.However, I fail to see where that prejudice has been eradicated and therefore, I doubt very much that being black is the justification for the award.Although, without any real indication of WHY he has been awarded, I can see where the uninformed may arrive at that conclusion.

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:34 PM

From CNN: "President Obama today joined an elite group of U.S. presidents when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Unlike his predecessors, Obama was chosen not for substantive accomplishments, but for inspiring "hope" at the start of his term"

Well, halle-fucking-luya.

Im sitting here everyday, trying to inspire hope, strength and peace. Hope for the future. Something where we can ALL live with freedom, hope and liberty.

Where is my fucking medal?

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:39 PM

"So did I.
I ordered a nice katana from Japan. Cost me a pretty penny too.
I'M engaging in diplomacy. Where's my award.
Btw, Im still waiting for my trophy after I tied my shoes this morning."

Are you TRYING to be really, really stoooopid ?

Are you the president ? Do you set the international policy for THE major military power in the world ? Is your policy key to global international affairs ?

If you can't see how completely asinine your argument is, you're completely OTL.

Try thinking with your brain instead of your hate, OK ?

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:40 PM

This guy has DONE NOTHING!

But because he sits there, and proclaims "hope" we should all just bend our knee?

No. Not in this life, ever.

Obama read a lot of comic books, Ill give him that. He knows the right strings to pluck.

But not for this boy.

The Nobel committee just lost all credibility to me.

Which hurts more than I can express.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:43 PM

ARAFAT won the Peace Prize for krissakes !

THAT didn't take the shine off for you ?

STOP THINKING WITH YOUR HATE, OK ? NOT EVERYTHING IS THE FAULT OF THE BLACK MAN.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:45 PM

ITS NOT ABOUT HIM BEING BLACK!

(Except THATS part of the reason they gave him the "prize")

ITS ABOUT THAT HE DID NOTHING TO EARN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASARIAN

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"Getting one of THE major global forces engaging in diplomacy again is a major step up from the pit Bush dug for us. It is a game-changer for the world."

He DID do this.

Okay, so he replaced Bush; which was a step up for the world, no argument there. So he says "Let's talk," instead of "We don't talk with them." And I greatly appreciate the change that has come to America. But, at the end of the day, "Let's talk" is really nothing more than an expression of good intent. As Niska said, people must know what happens after that. Will it actually lead to peace? Will Iraq become a safer place because of it? Will the Palestinians and the Israeli know peace in our time as a result of it? My point being: only in retrospect, like 20 years from now, will we be able to say whether "Let's talk" was really the beginning of a new era of peace, or whether he meant well, but could eventually not accomplish much.

I dunno; giving people awards on what they might accomplish; or based in support of what you hope they'll achieve, it's a slippery slope. I still feel more comfortable handing out such awards for things people actually already did.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:49 PM

The "Nobel Peace Prize" means NOTHING to me anymore.

NOTHING.

Its NOTHING to be proud of.

Not anymore.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:49 PM

But you're blaming the entire degradation of the 'quality' of the prize on Obama - and not on Arafat or any other arguably far worse choice. And WHY are you focusing on Obama ? Hmmmmm ? Is it b/c it galls you to see one of 'them' doing so well ?

I suspect if it had gone to ANYONE else who was undeserving, you wouldn't care one whit.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 5:51 PM

Like I said Rue....

Give me the fucking prize, cause I tied my shoes this morning.

Do THAT, and you will understand.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:01 PM

Dodging the point with some meaningless comment about your shoes ? No outrage over Arafat's prize ? Or Sadat's ? Or de Klerk's ? Or Annan's ?

I thought not.

You have one standard for Obama, the black male American, and another for everyone else, not black male Americans. It's OK for them, but not Obama.

I think we get it.

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ANTHONYT

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:16 PM

Hello Rue,

You make a good point, which is that giving the prize to Obama is on par with giving the prize to Arafat.

Both prizes were awarded on what people hoped might happen, and neither on what was actually accomplished.

And that's still nothing to be proud of.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

KWICKO

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:18 PM

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So, like Wulf, I think we should all submit our names for next year's prize. It seems like all we have to do is go around being nice to people and saying sorry to folks of different nationalities and religions than ourselves for whatever wrongs they perceive America has done to their people.

Nope, Ripper, it's not even that. You don't have to DO any of that stuff - you just have to say you WANT TO DO that stuff.

Sorry, but on this one, I'm in complete agreement with most of the "righties" around here. Obama MIGHT do great things, but his biggest "accomplishment" so far is not being Dubya. And while that's an admirable goal, it really tarnishes the Peace Prize to give it to someone just because you like them or think they're pretty.

For fuck's sake, Bill Clinton did more this year for world peace than Obama has done. Slick Willie actually got a couple "journalists" freed from a North Korean prison. Could Big O do that?

To me, this denigrates the prize, AND it both gives armaments to his detractors AND delegitimizes his presidency, because it really DOES make it appear that the world just worships at his feet and falls all over themselves genuflecting to him.

Besides, you don't give out Nobel prizes for what someone MIGHT do. If you do, then I've got an idea for faster-than-light travel that will actually make gold appear in your pockets upon your arrival. Can I have my physics prize, please? Understand that my research isn't complete, and it might never work out, but that million bucks could go a long way towards helping me out!

Oh, and I'm going to write about it all in a fantastically literate masterpiece, so can I go ahead and just collect that Nobel prize for literature, too? And since everyone will be rich in the future (which will be in the past, since we're going there faster than light. Duh.), I've solved the economic crisis. So there's ANOTHER prize for me, right?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:39 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And I think it sets a pretty low bar to give out the Peace Prize for "not being Dubya Bush". I mean, really - is that all it takes these days?

Yes, I haven't even gotten to the end of this thread yet, and that's EXACTLY what I was gonna say.

They gave it to him for the sole and simple reason that he ain't Bush.

Which, while no particular credit to Obama, and something of a backhanded insult...

It's a pretty fucking damning condemnation of Shrub, isn't it now - and IMHO, utterly deserved.

-F

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I wish he would decline the award, and say, "I'm sorry. I haven't earned this yet. I will strive to be deserving of it someday. Until then, please give it to someone better suited."

THAT would be a start to greatness.

Amen, Anthony - and that ain't a word I use often.

Oh, and Wulfie ?
Ain't about race, it's about delivering a vicious backhanded insult to America for ever tolerating Bush in the first place.

I don't like the taste of a slap like that any more than you do, but honor demands I admit we had it coming.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:45 PM

Personally, I think the outrage is misplaced. There are far worse recipients of the prize. And in the grand scheme of things, who gets the prize is not going to change the world either way. I would prefer outrage directed at starvation, war, brutal treatment of humans - especially women and young girls who are so frequently victimized by religion and custom - anything but outrage over this. What is this, really ? To me this whole thing is a non-issue, completely unsubstantive. MEH - it is nothing.

So while I can say that I am pleased that a US president got the prize, I can also say that this particular item is way down on my list of importance.

But as a target for comment, it certainly has been illuminating to see where people stand and what arguments they bring to the table.

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RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:47 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

To me, this denigrates the prize, AND it both gives armaments to his detractors AND delegitimizes his presidency, because it really DOES make it appear that the world just worships at his feet and falls all over themselves genuflecting to him.

I was honestly going to leave that part out, but as you brought it up first, I'll follow your lead. I'm right there with ya, Kwicko. For those on the left, like yourself, who loathe the argument from the right that Obama is "The One" or "The Messiah" this is nothing but bad news, because it all but proves to those on the right that they were, more or less, correct about how "lefties" view Obama. Not saying all on the Nobel Prize committee are left-leaning liberals because I don't know that for a fact. But to give out a prize based on the "hope" that he will do good things is laughable.

And giving the prize to Arafat was just as laughable . . . as it was when given to Al Gore.

And Rue... Stop berating Wulf. He has said several times it was not because of the color of Obama's skin that he's upset about this. It's the man's accomplisments (or lack thereof) that has him riled. I chose to take him at his word on this.

Wulf... sometimes ya just gotta roll with Rue's ineffectual punches. I got a bit of a laugh with some of your statements but she seems to have lost her sense of humor a long time ago. If she doesn't get the humor she'll call you all sorts of names and question your intellect.

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I agree he hasn't earned it - but I looooove the response it's provoked in the right. I can't wait to watch Hannity and Beck tonight.

It fer shure brought 'em all out of the woodwork, didn't it? Let's poke a hornet's nest with a big stick...
Last I heard, and I don't keep good track, the Prize Committee was a bunch of private citizens ( in Sweden, I think. Or Norway?) dispensing private money. They're entitled to their opinion, and their own reasons. They have no God-given insight or real world power, they just dispense a medal and some cash. Anybody who disagrees can just ignore them or give their own prize. Le'see, The Dick Cheney Award For Peace and Profit? The Limbaugh Prize for Peaceful, Rational Discourse? The Bush Scholarship for Diplomacy? Edited- I fergot-- the George Wallace/Strom Thermond Loving Cup for Racial Relationships...

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 6:51 PM

" He has said several times it was not because of the color of Obama's skin that he's upset about this."

And then he has ALSO said that liberals will cream their jeans just b/c Obama is black. Surely race features into HIS thoughts somewhere, dontcha' think ? Because, given that you are a liberal, he is surely projecting this racial fetish onto you.

BTW - what I got irritated with was his equation of him getting up in the morning and tying his shoes with Obama's POLICIES AS LEADER OF THE STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD.

I HOPE you see the 100% idiocy of his argument as the strongest objection he could possibly come up with to account for his sense of outrage. 'Cause what he is arguing is that, after all, one is just like the other.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:05 PM

I dunno if it can be given Posthumously, but Meena sure deserved it, and RAWA certainly does.
http://www.rawa.org/index.php

Not that most Americans are even aware of their existence - since they're quite pissed at us and our puppets, and their lot hasn't improved as a result.

-F

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

They gave it to him for the sole and simple reason that he ain't Bush.

Which, while no particular credit to Obama, and something of a backhanded insult...

It's a pretty fucking damning condemnation of Shrub, isn't it now

HOLY CRAP! I didn't THINK of it that way!!! It's one big BUSH DIS!!!!

Count me 100% FOR it now!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

ANTHONYT

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Personally, I think the outrage is misplaced. There are far worse recipients of the prize. And in the grand scheme of things, who gets the prize is not going to change the world either way. I would prefer outrage directed at starvation, war, brutal treatment of humans - especially women and young girls who are so frequently victimized by religion and custom - anything but outrage over this. What is this, really ? To me this whole thing is a non-issue, completely unsubstantive. MEH - it is nothing.

So while I can say that I am pleased that a US president got the prize, I can also say that this particular item is way down on my list of importance.

But as a target for comment, it certainly has been illuminating to see where people stand and what arguments they bring to the table.

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Hello Rue,

I don't think anyone has placed this on par with world hunger, the plight of abused women and children, or general global sins against humanity.

There are several recipients of the award that make me shake my head. And while I will not declare this most recent inappropriate award to be the most heinous of inappropriate awards, I will neither declare it to be 'okay' since there have been worse offenses.

I do agree it is illuminating to see what arguments people bring to the table. I haven't heard anything that justifies the award. It is my opinion that most sensible people should see this event as unfortunate. It brings no glory, no honor, no attention to critical world events. It holds up no accomplished principle or practice. Instead of highlighting the struggles and travails of folks who agonize through the trenches of world peace and goodwill to their fellow man... instead of inviting the world eye to look towards the abused and valiant women's rights struggle in the east...

We have awarded someone for not being someone else.

I take no pride in this.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:12 PM

"I haven't heard anything that justifies the award."

Whether it deserves the award is up for debate - but I think Obama's policy to return the STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD back to diplomacy is, as I said earlier, a global game changer. An irreplaceable step back towards sanity.

He could have NOT done that.

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ANTHONYT

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:16 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"I haven't heard anything that justifies the award."

Whether it deserves the award is up for debate - but I think Obama's policy to return the STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD back to diplomacy is, as I said earlier, a game changer. An irreplaceable step back towards sanity.

He could have not done that.

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Hello,

I have seen no evidence that the strongest military in the world is doing anything much different today than it did a year ago.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:22 PM

Negotiating with N Korea. NOT sabre-rattling towards Iran, and, in fact, indicating that the US will engage in high level talks AND stand with the world community to develop a common response. Closing down Gitmo (in the last few days more former prisoners have been released to countries willing to take them, but it takes time to negotiate all the details of all the people there.) Shutting down SDI, which was a major source of tension with Russia. Willing to discuss global warming.

The list is longer, this is just off the top of my head of items I have seen in the last week.

But in general terms, willing to bring the US to the table on items of global importance, as a partner with many, not a go-it-alone cowboy.
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RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
" He has said several times it was not because of the color of Obama's skin that he's upset about this."

And then he has ALSO said that liberals will cream their jeans just b/c Obama is black. Surely race features into HIS thoughts somewhere, dontcha' think ? Because, given that you are a liberal, he is surely projecting this racial fetish onto you.

What I saw was that he then said the same thing would apply to Hillary Clinton simply because she is a woman. But his main point throughout all of this was that Obama has done very little to earn this award. Period. I take Wulf for what he is - a very passionate person who says what's on his mind, hang the consequences. That sometimes means flying off the handle with poor choices in words or sentence structure, but I'm not going to condemn him for that.

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BTW - what I got irritated with was his equation of him getting up in the morning and tying his shoes with Obama's POLICIES AS LEADER OF THE STRONGEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD.

I HOPE you see the 100% idiocy of his argument as the strongest objection he could possibly come up with to account for his sense of outrage. 'Cause what he is arguing is that, after all, one is just like the other.

And this is why I say you've lost your sense of humor. Obama's two week presidency at the time of his nomination was equal, in Wulf's mind, to the accomplishment of someone tying their own shoelaces. I got a chuckle out of that. You didn't and that's okay, but it's just as okay to tell someone, "If that's your idea of a joke, I don't get it." I just thought your reaction was a little mean-spirited, that's all.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:25 PM

My point was that this guy didn't do anything to deserve the award.

Going by that assumption, which is accurate, that since he can get the award for doing nothing (other than being born) I should get the Nobel Peace prize for tying my shoes.

At least I did something.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:27 PM

Whoops... I just brushed my teeth.

I did something else!

Will someone here please call the Nobel committee...?

I think Ill need another award.

Make sure to have them make the check out to "Cash".

CAVALIER

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:27 PM

Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter got the Nobel Peace Prize, I should think that Bill Clinton must be feeling a bit left out.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:27 PM

Obama was nominated early, but selected later - after significant time had elapsed. There was plenty of time to drop him from the list. He COULD have NOT made the cut, after all.

Whether or not he got the prize is a non-issue to me. It's people's bogus arguments I find irritating. In the interim, Obama has done FAR more to foster global peace than Wulf ever has, or ever will. See my list above.

The BIG DIFFERENCE - OBAMA HAS CHANGED THE POLICY OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL MILITARY.

Hopefully, you can see that, even if Wulf can't.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:29 PM

Dammit, I just scratched my balls.

Something else I did to earn the award.

Im going to need a truck to carry all the money and medals I just "EARNED" today.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:30 PM

Give it up Wulf. You're at the point of looking like a buffoon.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:32 PM

OH WAIT, I just responded to a post!

Give me a trophy AND a medal!

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:32 PM

OH WAIT, I just responded to a post!

Give me a trophy AND a medal!

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:33 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Obama was nominated early, but selected later - after significant time had elapsed. There was plenty of time to drop him from the list. He COULD have NOT made the cut, after all.

Whether or not he got the prize is a non-issue to me. It's people's bogus arguments I find irritating.

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But that begs the question, Rue - WHY was he nominated? What had he done up to that point in time (the deadline) to warrant even a nomination? His accomplishments 2 weeks into his presidency? The way he ran his campaign? Or simply because he talked a good game up to that point and so they went "all in", banking on the hopes that he will do what he said he would do in a peaceful and world-changing fashion?

I thought a person was nominated for PAST accomplishments, not for what he says (and many hope) he might do in the future.

That's what irks me about the whole thing.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 7:34 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
OH WAIT, I just responded to a post!

Give me a trophy AND a medal!

Here I am standing up for you and you're driving your point into the ground and beating the dead horse with it. Don't make me regret it.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:35 PM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I just thought your reaction was a little mean-spirited, that's all.

Hey Rip, Rue is just like that with Wulf, it's like oil & water.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:35 PM

Since I post-edited, I'll repost here:

Quote:

Obama was nominated early, but selected later - after significant time had elapsed. There was plenty of time to drop him from the list. He COULD have NOT made the cut, after all.

Whether or not he got the prize is a non-issue to me. It's people's bogus arguments I find irritating. In the interim, Obama has done FAR more to foster global peace than Wulf ever has, or ever will. See my list above.

The BIG DIFFERENCE - OBAMA HAS CHANGED THE POLICY OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL MILITARY.

Hopefully, you can see that, even if Wulf can't.

I suspect Obama was nominated the same way promising football players are drafted - subject to later review.

Since I don't know the requirements for nomination, or the process of selection, and frankly, it's too unimportant for me to bother to look up, I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not it was kosher.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:36 PM

Trying to resist the urge to tie my shoes again...

Don't want to make the less fortunate feel downtrodden or anything.

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Since I post-edited, I'll repost here

Yeah. Kinda hard to respond to ya when you keep going back and changing your original post.

So YOU are now equating the Nobel Peace Prize to the NFL draft? Really? Even in the draft, the best, most talented players with proven success in their college carreers are chosen first. The rest are way down on the list of choices. And those that only played quarterback for two games are probably not even included in the draft. No matter how good some folks think he might become. Heck, in the MLB most draftees are even thrown out to "farm" teams until they DO prove themselves worthy for the Big Show. They're not actually "awarded" with a slot in the major leagues until they've proven themselves worthy.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 7:50 PM

"Yeah. Kinda hard to respond to ya when you keep going back and changing your original post."

Sigh. I added to, but did not delete or change my essential point. But since I DID change it, I reposted it, as a courtesy, to you. And YOU are now in the pissy 'humorless' category b/c --- why ?
How about this: next time, I'll just skip the courtesy, OK ? Will that make you feel better ?

"So YOU are now equating the Nobel Peace Prize to the NFL draft?"

I dunno. It might be. It might not. You tell me. As I posted above "... I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not it was kosher."

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:50 PM

Rue has a problem with men.

Duh.

Crap... I picked up my pen I just dropped...

I need ANOTHER Nobel Peace prize..

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:56 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
But since I DID change it, I reposted it, as a courtesy to you. And YOU are now in the pissy 'humorless' category b/c --- why ?
How about this: next time, I'll just skip the courtesy, OK ? Will that make you feel better

All I'll say is that I contemplated putting some sort of smiley in there, but you and I have issues in the past with you not paying attention to them and getting "pissy" with me regardless. So, I didn't bother. Keep being courteous, please. Just let me know whether you'll accept the smiley when you see it as being in jest. That's all.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:58 PM

Darn it...

I have posted several times.

Im going to have to wallpaper my house with all the Nobel Prizes I will soon be receiving.

I mean, cause you know...

They really HAVE meaning after this, right?

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Darn it...

I have posted several times.

Im going to have to wallpaper my house with all the Nobel Prizes I will soon be receiving.

I mean, cause you know...

They really HAVE meaning after this, right?

Sorry, Wulf, but you officially made me regret my decision to "stand up" for you. Won't happen again.

Give it a rest.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:00 PM

Sorry. Have to keep pushing the point.

Some folks (Rue) don't get it.

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:00 PM

"Just let me know whether you'll accept the smiley when you see it as being in jest."

I have to unequivocally say - mostly, yes, I will.

There IS a category that doesn't pass the sniff test - for example "You're a c**t ! "

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ANTHONYT

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:02 PM

Hello,

Wulf's tired, stale, and increasingly odious humor aside, this is not a competition between Wulf and Obama. It was a competition between Obama and more accomplished contributors to peace and the humane condition. Obama has not won that contest. But he won the award for it.

People ought to boo when the referee or judges of a match make a bad call.

To paraphrase the argument FOR the award, "Declaring an intention to behave in the way that he ought to behave" is not an accomplishment.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RUE

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:02 PM

"Rue has a problem with men."

That is SO off track it made me laugh. I like REAL men. MMMMmmmmmm ...

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Silence is consent.

RIPWASH

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:04 PM

Much appreciated, Rue.

*EDIT* I mean for the courtesy! Don't want folk to get the wrong impression that I thought you think of me as a real man. 'Cause . . . you know . . . you probably don't think I am.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:06 PM

Odious humor?

I have not devolved it. Just making a point.

Dammit... I went and took another breath...

someone give me a prize.

SIGNYM

Friday, October 9, 2009 8:24 PM

I think they gave to to that menace and war-mongerer, Henry Kissinger*, because he sounds Jewish. And then they gave to it Obama because he wasn't Kissinger.

* 'Cause, shit man, if they can give the "peace" prize somebody who was responsible for 500,000+ deaths, then I guess just NOT being Kissinger is worthy of a prize!

Here Wulf... You get one too, so don't feel left out!

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