If we spent some of the magical Bail-Out money feeding the hungry peeps of the planet, would making a better world buy us any street cred?

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GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I figure I have the EU's number at least as much as everyone has Israel's number. They're pretty fucking obvious about it.

The EU has its problems, but I tend to agree about the GM food issues

Monsanto in particular gives me pause,

Signy if I remember right was really knowledgeable on this from another thread

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

RUE

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:12 PM

Geezer

And when it comes to FOOD AID - the question was about MONEY, not direct food aid. So dooood, you blew it. Again.

"The question on the table is this: SHOULD THE UNITED STATES SEND CASH TO NEEDY COUNTRIES INSTEAD OF FOOD, AS MANY OTHER COUNTRIES DO NOW?

'The impulse for U.S. food aid is generous and good, but the questions being asked are not deep enough and the reasons for giving aid are often not as altruistic as people think,' said Sophia Murphy ...

In recent years, significant shifts have occurred in food aid programs, mostly in Europe where there has been a move away from shipping food toward sending cash. Cash now represents some 90 percent of the aid being given by Europeans, who argue that commodity-based programs were costly, slow, and at times caused disruptions in local markets.

Christopher B. Barrett ... one of the nation's leading experts on food aid, said much of the rest of the world sees the U.S. food aid model as outdated. 'We insist on doing business as we did in 1954. We are caught in a model of food aid being driven entirely by the supply side, by congressional objectives and agribusiness interests.'

Murphy, who currently lives in Belgium, says the United States is seen as 'a laggard' for its failure to make serious reforms. 'The United States would be seen as more generous if it would give cash that could be used where it is needed,' she said."

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RUE

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:15 PM

Oh Geeeeezzzzerrrrr

YOOOO HOOOoooo ...

Did you forget about this little gem YOU posted ?
"While we're at it, a cite for this as "every defense of capitalism" would be nice."

You do SO much more than ask for references for quotes. Dontcha' ?

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RUE

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:22 PM

AnthonyT

"I think Geezer was referring to quotes."

No, he was also looking for sources for opinions. (see above)

And BTW, google serves very nicely if you really need to find a source for an extended quote. But often, as in the healthcare quotes I provided for example, the original source is no longer available, and all one can find on the internet are secondary sources.

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GEEZER

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Did you forget about this little gem YOU posted ?
"While we're at it, a cite for this as "every defense of capitalism" would be nice."

You do SO much more than ask for references for quotes.

Yes I do. I ask for cites of things stated as fact.

Let's start with your entire statement.

"You may have noticed that the context of every defense of capitalism is: well, if they weren't motivated by starvation they wouldn't work (for us)."

You stated this as a fact. I asked you to provide a cite for that fact, as I'm not familiar with one.

If you'd said "In my opinion" or "It seems to me the context of every defense of capitalism is: well, if they weren't motivated by starvation they wouldn't work (for us).", I'd have had no problem with it. State something as gospel and I'll ask for chapter and verse.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

ANTHONYT

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:36 PM

"While we're at it, a cite for this as "every defense of capitalism" would be nice."

Hello,

Well, I just assumed that was your opinion. I don't necessarily agree with the opinion itself, but you shouldn't have to provide the source of an opinion you just posted. But just in case:

"You shouldn't have to provide the source of an opinion you just posted."

--From fireflyfans.net RWED discussion area, as posted by A. E. Toledo on 10/02/09

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

ANTHONYT

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:43 PM

Hello Geezer,

Come now. People don't generally go around qualifying their opinions. When's the last time someone called you a jerk and qualified it with, "In my opinion..."? I could tell it was Rue's opinion specifically because there's no way to prove it with evidence.

If I say "There can't possibly be life on other planets," you can ask me why I think that, but you ought not to ask me for cites.

However, if I say, "Every reputable scientist knows there's no life on other planets," you might be able to ask for cites because I'm talking about other people's opinions, and not my own.

It's easy to tell when cites are warranted.

I think what you meant to say was, "That's your opinion, Rue, but it's entirely subjective and tainted by your bias."

And, you know, she wouldn't need to ask you for cites either, because that's clearly your opinion, too.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

SIGNYM

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:56 PM

Well, there ya have it, Geezer. 6 out of 6 people agree... you asking Rue for cites on everything is stupid. BTW- Here's the cite:
www.fireflyfans.net/replymsg.asp?b=18&t=40204&m=733584

KWICKO

Friday, October 2, 2009 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You do SO much more than ask for references for quotes.

Yes I do. I ask for cites of things stated as fact.

Cites?

You stated "Yes I do" as a statement of fact. Where did you get it from? What's your source of that "fact"?

RUE

Saturday, October 3, 2009 1:26 AM

So, doing some simple math:

If the EU provides roughly 90% of its food aid as money, and it provided 1.5M tons of food, that would mean that the EU provided the money equivalent of 150M tons of food, for a total of 151.5M tons of food aid equivalent.

If the US provides 90% of its aid as food, and it provided 4M tons of food, that would mean that the US provides the money equivalent of 0.4M tons of food, for a total of 4.4M tons of food aid equivalent.

EU 151.5M tons of food aid equivalent
US 4.4M tons of food aid equivalent

No wonder the US looks cheap when it comes to helping starving people eat. Along with the highest obesity rates in the world

( http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity) it sure paints the US in a very bad light.

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