Dallhouse season 2 premier, flop or good.

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KHAMBILO

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:10 PM

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Agreed. That was the best part of the episode. I'm glad that the supporting cast got a lot to do and it was all Eliza. A stronger cast=a stronger show

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Exactly. It's already shaping up to be a season. The problem is the time slot. I'm going to miss this friday's episode....

Why did Joss even go to Fox with Dollhouse? There has to be another network out there that could market the show ten times better and actually give it a fighting chance.

ZEEK

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:27 PM

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Originally posted by khambilo:
Why did Joss even go to Fox with Dollhouse? There has to be another network out there that could market the show ten times better and actually give it a fighting chance.

I know Eliza Dushku has a contract with them. I think Joss might have one as well. I know a while back there was a contract for Mutant Enemy to work with Fox studio, but he shut down Mutant Enemy at one point. So, who knows what deal he has currently. Either way it's all contract type stuff. Even if the contracts weren't there I think it's generally bad business to hold grudges. Luckily we don't have to worry about he business side and can rip on Fox left and right.

KHAMBILO

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:38 PM

The contract thing makes sense.... even still putting a sci-fi show on Fox on Friday nights is a formula for failure. You'd think Joss, and moreover the execs would see that. It would be nice to have a Joss show succeed like Buffy did, but thats not gonna happen in that time slot.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:50 PM

I liked it.

No worse or harder to follow than some LOST episode.( Which I stopped watching after season 2 )

The T.Rex they call JANE!

OPTIMUS1998

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:59 PM

replies to several of the above posts,
Yes Fox[network] does have more control over the studio that shoots dollhouse than the one that shot TSCC

Dollhouse: 20th Century Fox Television
T:SCC: Warner Brothers Television

and all the comparisons to the second series of buffy, is Just....to a point. you have to remember the diffrence in the networks. yes buffy and angel were shot by 20th Television, but they aired on 'the WB' which at the time Buffy Premiered was practically a new fledgling network. ANY of their shows getting 2.6 million viewers was HUGE. Kinda like cable ratings. (if dollhouse were on, say, SciFi, (i refuse to type that other name), 2.6 million would be huge numbers, they'd be throwing money at it. )

where as FOX (network) is one of the "Big Boys"
seen by almost every household in america.they think they need bigger numbers they need to slaughter the competition.
and why go back to them? well If Mutant enemy is contracted to Fox Studios i think the network "attached " to the studio gets first dibs. if they pass, they they can shop it to the other networks.

and just from listening to the following exchange i knew this was a Joss Script without watching the credits, or reading the wiki....( from the Topher/ivy exchange, just before he finds the Rats)

T: How many More today?
I: Well the Jonas Brothers are back in town..
T: Say no More. Voracious Little Nippers..

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KHAMBILO

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:00 PM

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No worse or harder to follow than some LOST episode.( Which I stopped watching after season 2 )

That is a show that has gone on for far too long.

TUJIAOZUO

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:29 PM

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Originally posted by khambilo:
Why did Joss even go to Fox with Dollhouse? There has to be another network out there that could market the show ten times better and actually give it a fighting chance.

I know Eliza Dushku has a contract with them. I think Joss might have one as well. I know a while back there was a contract for Mutant Enemy to work with Fox studio, but he shut down Mutant Enemy at one point. So, who knows what deal he has currently. Either way it's all contract type stuff. Even if the contracts weren't there I think it's generally bad business to hold grudges. Luckily we don't have to worry about he business side and can rip on Fox left and right.

From what I've heard, Joss had a contract with FOX for several years. Which was why after the year of the Firefly debacle he shut down Mutant Enemy. He wasn't going to do TV until his contract was up so he focused on other venues. Then, the year the contract expired (I think) he met up with Eliza. Her production company was with Fox and Fox wanted to develop a show around her. So the two of them over lunch came up with Dollhouse, and because the higher ups that had f***** over Firefly were gone and replaced by NBC people Joss once again partnered up with FOX.*

I know the ratings are horrific and there's a deathwatch on DH already, but it's hard for me to fight for this show. I can't get into it (Epitaph One is the only episode I genuinely like.), and I really want to. However-

1)It may be because Fox stripped it of its essence the first season, but it might not. I can still get the gist of what Joss was going for. Read his interviews, saw him at Comic Con, I know where he's coming from. However it's still hard for me to buy it. I love everything else he's done and after thinking about it I think I've found my reason.
Joss excels at ordinary characters cut from the stereotype** cloth that are then put in extraordinary situations. The characters are easy to relate to and even though their base might be a common trope they're incredibly multifaceted. The down to earth weight of a lot of his characters and concepts (High School is Hell, Literally) even with sci-fi and supernatural twists is what makes it so engrossing. But with Dollhouse there really wasn't this feeling of humble origins and relatable characters. With their personalities constantly changing, and only those in control with fully formed personalities, it's hard to invest in characters. For instance one I like is Topher because he's a typical quirky guy with Whedon vocab, but it's hard for me to love the though guy because underneath it all he's a cog in the giant evil machine. I understand that the House has been shown to help people. But still, it's also been hammered into my head that the tech is bad, will destroy the world, and people are being taken advantage of. It's not about a ragtag group of underdogs just trying to survive and live life, it's not about the less than popular kids trying to survive highschool and slay the big bads, it's trying to be something else and it's trying too hard for me.

2)Eliza really doesn't sell it for me, and in fact I think her supporting cast often outdoes her as she constantly ends up playing 'Faith 2.0: The Dollhouse Upgrade'.

Holy crap that was longer than I meant for it to be. Sorry folks.

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Ash

*Not 100% on this, there's gotta be someone out there that knows there stuff better than me
** Stereotype is not being used as a bad thing.

KWICKO

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

No worse or harder to follow than some LOST episode.( Which I stopped watching after season 2 )

That is a show that has gone on for far too long.

It's funny, but that is exactly what I said 45 minutes into the pilot episode!

GRIZWALD

Friday, October 2, 2009 12:52 AM

I just saw it on Hulu and thought it was wonderful.

I watched with poor Mister Grizwald, who saw none of the first season and was completely lost and kept messing up the dialogue by interrupting with "Is she a Doll?" "What about him, is he a Doll too?" "What, she's a Doll? I thought she was a doctor. There are Doctor Dolls? I don't get this."

*sigh*

I love him anyway. Hey, I did the same thing to him when I once walked in on him watching some TV show with these two amazon women fighting and crashing into statues and falling off things and I said "What are you watching?" and he said "Battlestar Galactica" and I said "You're kidding" and he said "That's Starbuck" and then had to listen to about 5 minutes of my shrieking that that COULDN'T be Starbuck, it's a GIRL, and then when I finally calmed down, he said, "And she's fighting a Cylon," and had to listen to more shrieking.

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JAMERON4EVA

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:16 PM

Can anyone tell me, what 20% off of a 2.6 rating is? Anyone, anyone,

Well i think we should give a big round of applause to FOX.

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