Venezuela imposes more media controls. Chavez plays maracas.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Gino
No, the thread is about venezuela. Not that you see me defending the US on these issues, but if you want to talk about another topic, start another thread.
So if Venezuela buying Russian tanks is a reaction to the US supplying arms and advisers to Columbia you do not see linkage...
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090909/156068044.html
" The Venezuelan president has said the country plans to buy weaponry from Russia over a possible increase in U.S. military personnel in neighboring Colombia "
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0806/p99s01-duts.html
" Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez announced Wednesday that his country would seek to purchase "several battalions" of Russian tanks in apparent response to a pending US-Colombia deal that would give the US military broader access to bases Colombia, which Mr. Chávez called part of a US "policy of aggression." "
DT, you were the one who brought up the idea of an arms race, I'm sure the reasons behind said arms purchases must also be open to discuss.
" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "
" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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I meant that criticizing US policy is a fallacious defense of Venezuelan policy.
Columbia is the concern of neither govt., and both should mind their own business.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Oh, and let's not forget the President who was found by the country's Supreme Court to have repeatedly violated the Constitution. Would you support such a President?
Would you?
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Originally posted by rue:
Does Hugo Chavez and his Bolivarian Socialist Revolution represent a threat to the security of the United States ....
NO
... what, if anything, should we do about it?
NOTHING
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Silence is consent.
I respectfully disagree, Rue. You're right in that it poses no real threat to the U.S., at least for the time being. The "threat", if there is any, is in the idea of Chavez's "revolution" spreading its sphere of influence throughout the region, whereupon it MIGHT pose a threat of some sort. One would hope that if the man is insane and a menace, as DreamTrove insists, his "vision" would be debunked by nearly everyone, but we've seen in the past that that really doesn't happen.
So what should we do about it? TALK. Negotiate. Deal. Because despite what all these dipshit "cowboy" Presidents will tell you, we do indeed negotiate with terrorists. Always have. It's a tradition that goes back to the Revolutionary War in this country. We can at least be honest about it. We ALWAYS negotiate with terrorists; in fact, it's the only thing that seems to actually work in getting them on our side. It wasn't "the Surge" that worked in Iraq, it was the fact that we started paying terrorists to stop killing American soldiers.
Mike
"It was already blue when we got here!"
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Gino,
1. There is no way that the elections are credible. I've yet to meet a venezuelan or south american who supports him.
And you spend a lot of time in Venezuela lately? Have you met a majority of Venezuelans? Using your methods, I can "prove that the vast majority of Americans didn't support Bush's policies after 9/11. Of everyone I knew, less than 1 in 10 supported his invasion of Iraq. 90% disapproval is pretty overwhelming, right?
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2. He is constantly arming revolutions in neighboring countries.
Which makes him unique or different... how, exactly?
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3. I agree on land reform, but I don't like what he has done with it, but that's a personal policy dispute. I favor native sovereignty and environmentalism, and am no fan of socialism.
I favor baskets of kittens as a foreign policy, but unfortunately no one else seems to be on board. Your personal feelings and biases are clouding your judgment on this issue. I know you value objectivity, but you have a deep issue with anything that smacks of "socialism", and it clouds your vision.
I'm not saying there's anything WRONG with having a viewpoint or an agenda, just that you should be aware that you have one, and it's blinding you to seeing some sides in an argument.
Mike
"It was already blue when we got here!"
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Oh, and let's not forget the President who was found by the country's Supreme Court to have repeatedly violated the Constitution. Would you support such a President?
Would you?
Show me a President found by his country's Supreme Court to have repeatedly violated the Constitution, and probably not. The last one in the U.S. was...
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Abraham Lincoln.
So shall we run the Dixie Flag back up the pole, then ?
-F
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LMAO!!!!
Damn Frem... that was great!
Abe Lincoln DID violate the Constitution.... which is why Southerners refer to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression".
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Abraham Lincoln.
So shall we run the Dixie Flag back up the pole, then ?
-F
Nope. More recent. Wanna play again, Frem? I'll give you a new deal.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Oh, and let's not forget the President who was found by the country's Supreme Court to have repeatedly violated the Constitution. Would you support such a President?
Would you?
Show me a President found by his country's Supreme Court to have repeatedly violated the Constitution, and probably not. The last one in the U.S. was...
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Do you REALLY want me to say it? You're not going to like the answer.
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