Venezuela imposes more media controls. Chavez plays maracas.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 15:29
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Hello Signy,
Insulting me is not an argument. Nor is it worthy of you. I find it appalling that you are defending the idea of a government shutting down news outlets it doesn't agree with.
Remember - In a free speech environment, everyone can say whatever they want.
In a restricted speech environment, everyone can say whatever the government wants.
It's not hard to ascertain the better scenario.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Anthony- more later.
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Fascism under National Socialism. What a surprise.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, BTW- Anthony, you're being a dick. And Geezer: you've always been one.
Okay, SignyM. This pretty much defines your level of discourse. Got anything actually relevent?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Got anything actually relevent?
Do you?
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The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:[River voice]
Originally posted by Geezer:
Got anything actually relevent?
Do you?
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You mean aside from Chavez shutting down more radio stations, requiring teaching of the Bolivian Revolution in schools, and supporting the FARC rebels in Columbia?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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I'm not sure this is news. Is there anyone on the board who thinks that Hugo Chavez is not an expansionist interventions "bolivarian socialist" dictator spreading his influencing any way he can, rigging elections and funding revolutions towards conquering all of latin america... and oh, by the way, also batsh*t f^&king insane?!?
I mean, no offense, Geezer, but I think you're arguing in favor of a viewpoint that already has pretty close to 100% support. It's sort of like saying "Kim Jong Il menaces S. Korea with nuclear weapons" or "Al Qaeda using drug money to fund terrorism."
Okay, sure, you can go into Israel or Iran, Pakistan, a number of unstable political situations in the world and get a debate, but I highly doubt this is one... Hold on, let me check and see if there was anyone in the thread who argued in support of the natl socl in venezuela...
Okay, no. Nobody did. I think you've got an undisputed viewpoint here. Still no supporters of national socialism, as usual.
Okay, Sig suggested that we print the theory that jews caused the current economic crises, I assume as a snark, thinking that this would be incendiary and something that wouldn't fly, and probably because it would be unacceptably anti-semitic, or that the jewish press wouldn't print it, so sorry, here it is, news flash:
Jon Stewart, who is jewish, already broadcast this on national television and was not joking. I mean, he's always joking, but it's what he really believes. And no one stopped him from saying it. So no, we don't have that level of censorship in the US. We have a lot of bias (oppose Israel, and the press will hate you) but even mel gibson can still make movies if he wants to, and no one is stopping him. (maybe someone shoulda stopped kevin costner...) but seriously, I don't think the two are comparable. Yah, sure, we have a few issues here. And sure, a case could be made against US foreign policy that it's not much better than Chavez, but I don't see the point in arguing.
Here's what I see: people bickering with each other because they have long standing personal disagreements and not any real constructive debate going on. Looks like Geezer stated the obvious, and some folk opposed because it was Geezer who stated that, and then it died, and then JT necroposted it to ressurect these hostilities.
If we want to have a debate on the topic, here's a good set of parameters:
Assuming we can at least agree on some givens:
1. Hugo Chavez is a fascist dictator
2. Chavez has expansionist ambitions
3. Chavez hates America, he hates Obama as much as he hated Bush.
Okay, I feel that's pretty well established. The real issue being raised here is this one:
Does Hugo Chavez and his Bolivarian Socialist Revolution represent a threat to the security of the United States, and if so, what, if anything, should we do about it?
Okay. That would be a topic of debate, and, if people could debate it in a civilized manner, then it might be interesting.
Arguing about who is or isn't an asshole on RWED is just whackamole
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Does Hugo Chavez and his Bolivarian Socialist Revolution represent a threat to the security of the United States ....
NO
... what, if anything, should we do about it?
NOTHING
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Silence is consent.
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" Does Hugo Chavez and his Bolivarian Socialist Revolution represent a threat to the security of the United States, and if so, what, if anything, should we do about it? "
Hell, looking at the history of US policy in central / south America... do you wonder why many dislike/distrust the US?
many problems with Chavez began with his land redistribution... I don't envy the decision he made there but the fact is history left 90% of the countrys wealth to 3% of the population... no middle class in other words.. a few rich folk and a lot of serfs
http://www.veninfo.org/downloads/Land%20Reform%20in%20Venezuela.htm
of course that 3% had friend in foreign governments who promoted a hostile reaction to Chavez hmmm here is your Cuba parawell
your other questions
1. Hugo Chavez is a fascist dictator
as elections are held, no he is not a dictator
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6205128.stm
and it seems the elections there are a whole hell of alot more transparent than those in American occupied Afghanistan to boot
2. Chavez has expansionist ambitions
Has he attacked anyone? we discussed Israels " expansionist ambitions " in another thread... deal with that before using that excuse for unfriendly relations
3. Chavez hates America, he hates Obama as much as he hated Bush.
Why not? American policy creates hatred. While Bush generated more so than Obama has, he hasn't exactly reversed much has he? People have complained about Obamas lack of change in domestic policy, I would say it is even worse in foreign policy ( mind you I detest Madeline Albright, and Hillary Clinton appears to be formed in the same mold )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7894506.stm
I say let them do as they see fit with THEIR country...
yankee go home, you have your own problems to deal with
" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "
" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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And of course I noticed that you had nothing to say about the situation in Honduras.