Damn Hippies
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 20:49
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WE didn't spit on those who came back from Vietnam...there are extremes in every culture, don't blame the entire section of that culture for society's actions. I got news for you, so did millions of non-hippies.
Yeah, Wulf - I'm another of those who didn't spit on the troops returning from 'Nam, since my dad was one of 'em and all...
Thing is, his COUNTRY and his GOVERNMENT did indeed spit on those same troops, often and vigorously, and for years and years before it was uncovered and admitted to. And they're still doing it. The only people in this country who truly hate the troops are the ones who keep sending them to die needless deaths for what amounts to nothing more than empire-sized dick-wagging.
Mike
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No.
While I agree that some did some good things... most were as described.
Hippies pushed for the end of the Vietnam war, that much is true. But they also spit on those who came back, and called them (among other things) "baby-killers".
Hippies did push for civil rights. But ended up creating ghettos, and tying an entire culture down to ignorance, and self destruction.
Hippies did get women out of the kitchen. Now? We have soccer-moms, and women who pay to have their children raised by other people. Not to mention inflation.
Hippies didnt like the killing of whales or dolphins. Fought against that. But now? They drive Priuses and stand in judgment of those who dont. (See South Park)
Yeah, us Gen-Xers are self-absorbed and nihilistic. But who and what taught us to be that way?
ETA: Not to mention, hippies are the most adamant for government control.
Wulf, you are one hopeless, deluded little dude, you know that? You're pissing and moaning about people trying to "put you in a little box", and look at your own behavior and words. There is simply NO ONE ANYWHERE AROUND HERE who uses gross generalizations and stereotypes more than you do. And yet no one gets more indignant about it when they're on the receiving end of those kinds of stereotypes, do they?
Can you please, PLEASE show me one single ghetto that was "created by hippies"?
"(See South Park)"? Really? That's your basis for reality?
Mike
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Hello,
I have always thought of Hippies as 'People who are dissatisfied with their lives, the world, or their place in society, and consequently make a lot of noise about their dissatisfaction.'
But this definition of hippy would necessarily put Wulf together with some of the people he seems to be railing against.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
You are mistaken.
Threat of arms is my last resort.
But, should it come to that... well..
lol
Bullshit. Threat of arms isn't your "last resort" - it's the very fucking first thing you resort to. There's not one single argument that comes up that you don't blow something out your piehole about how a gun or a .308 round would sure decide it.
If threat of arms is your last resort, why do you always resort to it first? You seem to spend an awful lot of your time staying at that particular resort; did you buy a condo at The Last Resort?
Mike
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Only, with SO MANY fundamental ills plaguing society, where do I start?
At the beginning, is as good a place as any. Or jump in the middle. A first step is as much a step as a last step.
Mike
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Traveler, ECGordon, Niki, Signy...
My hat's off to all of you, and I only hope and wish that I could do half as much as you all have. I'm younger than y'all, but still older than many here (47). I came after the hippies, but identified with them in spirit and mission. I still do. I'm more jaded, perhaps more cynical, with a bitter sarcasm as my shield and lance, but still we fight on.
I've had personal relationships with people on both sides of the 'Nam war - my dad went because he was ordered to and felt it was his duty, and on of my good friends headed for Canada and didn't come back until amnesty was granted to the draft dodgers (I met him well after this, when he was my math tutor in college; we remain good friends). I have a deep respect for both of them, and they for each other, because both followed their consciences and sense of duty. Were either of them "wrong" in their choices?
Mike
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I'd just like to say, Niki I'm with you I'm that age and I agree with your post,(and all the other hippies). Rage on lady!!!
So funny, this gen sits on their butts and critizes the world they have made....the hippie infulence has been gone for a long time and its the gen after us who raised this lazy bunch.
Bye
Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion
Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal
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*blink*
No way, y'all seriously mean to tell me that despite how I sound, I'm one of the YOUNGEST rabble rousers here (39) ?!
That's just damn strange, although according to LilyWhite I was "born old and crochety", meh.
As for this crop of generations - they're not quite as apathetic or uninvolved as we've been lead to believe, consider that much of the evidence supporting that theory comes from the same sources that told us Saddam had WMD, we were winning vietnam, and that the spanish blew up the Maine.
Of *course* they would want the current generation to be shallow, apathetic consumers and would reinforce both the belief that they are, and glorify it in every way possible in order to encourage it, with the additional benefit of causing those of previous generations to not respect them or their opinions, thus preventing any useful cooperation between the two.
Indymedia, for example, is run by the current generation, as are many other activist fronts, but conversely, the powers that be have gotten far better at, and more blatant about - cointelpro style infiltration, sabotage and character assassination, especially with a compliant media shilling for them all the way, and direct assistance from the military, as the intercepted radio transmissions from the seattle WTO confrontation show without a doubt.
There's also the question of the stakes - cause overall the primary risk to hippies and peaceniks was a police beatdown and mild charges often as not dismissed, and only the rare occasion of assassination or longterm incarceration - but these days such "domestic terrorism" carries a MUCH higher risk factor and anyone serious has to be so compartmentalised as to be invisible to the populace as a whole, at least initially.
All but one of my own personnel are from the current generations, and so are a lot of my contacts via the socrates club *because* I don't look down on em, can and will relate to them in a no-bullshit way as potential equals, while giving them the knowledge and tactics to be effective in trying to make positive changes if they've the desire and will to back it up.
Although in some cases desire and will isn't exactly where the problem lies...
*shudder*
My youngest niece is really, REALLY sick of the bullshit our world have shovelled on her, especially as she knows right damn well 99% of it is because till she hits "the magic number" she's considered socially and legally below the status of a housepet.
While not as violent as her uncle, she has the exact same sideways worldview, criminal bent, and crafty disposition - so she's very frustrated and I had to listen to another one of her ragefits on the phone cause I am the only one who even listens to her at all, and she said something that chilled me to the very bones.
"They better hope to hell I die before I hit eighteen, HOPE TO HELL!, because if I don't *hissss* it's payback time, I don't care if it takes a hundred years and I'm an old lady stabbing them with crochet needles!"
Oh yes, I know that sentiment, having uttered it myself back in the day and meant it every bit as sincerely then as she does now - which is of course what frightens me so, she DOES mean it, she WILL do it.
It's the *how* that I desperately need to teach her before she goes off and tries, besides which she has only the vaguest idea who even she means by "they" - right now I'm damn thankful she'll listen to me, cause at that age I would not have listened to *anyone*.
I suspect that the powers which be ain't never gonna rest easy so long as any part of my descendents still live, and that leaves me somewhere between honestly proud, and seriously creeped out.
Anyhows, I think y'all underestimate current generations - I know damn sure the former ones underestimated mine.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Frem,
No way you are 39.
Maybe 10 years ago you were 39...... 
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You have to remember just what an "early start" I got on this, Wulfie.
Took my first real stand at five, refused to stand for the pledge at eight, and by ten had been kicked out of two schools, one for not playin ball with the prison pecking order and the second for defending myself with a blade - something to this very DAY I consider wholly justified cause the first incident left me with a broken wrist, sprained ankle, bruised ribs and almost cost me an eye.
Had this really strange "where it's gonna go" epiphany at twelve, had a plan by fifteen, and by sixteen had done army basic on summer vacation and then just nailed down a GED cause I was sick of playing by their rules - then lost every remaining supportive family member the very next year, and within six months of that was digging my way out of the bottom of a Baltimore ghetto.
When I say folks underestimate kids, I seriously, seriously mean that shit - my mother gave me damn near carte blanche, she prettymuch had to since she was workin 10-14hour shifts on a long commute and daily household operations and maintainence were my responsibility - I was her executive officer as much as her son, just as I am as much a father to my sister as I am her older brother, cause if I did not stand and deliver there wasn't no one else gonna.
Care to guess who runs my sisters household while she's workin three jobs to cover expenses, mortgage, a large stack of medical expenses and the remains of a disastrous marriage ?
The youngest niece, of course - who gets not a bloody ounce of respect from anyone, not even my sister, oddly enough, because she's "just a kid".
Except, that is - one crazy uncle, whom everyone else thinks is straight up bonkers, yet can tell her what she's thinking the moment it pops in her head.
While not gender specific, a very similar dynamic does exist there.
It also on occasion frustrates her cause she CAN'T get over on me, hell - I just about wrote the playbook she's workin from, and it's flat impossible for her to lie to me!
So she not only has the edge of the early jump, but the support of her predecessor as well, something I didn't cause mine wound up face down in a West Virginia ditch after taking on local corruption.
Anyhows - yeah, not even forty, straight up.
Oh, and did you ever consider that some of these kids are using protective camouflage to show you what you expect to see ?
Cause they don't TRUST the adults and their world, won't let em past the facade ?
My sister, for all her flaws, is quite smart, but still hides behind that bleach-blonde valleygirl front which makes her look and sound like a complete friggin dunce to anyone who doesn't know better.
Underestimating kids is a bad, bad idea.
-F
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