Thou shall not suffer a witch to live

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ZAROVE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:18 PM

I believe you do have the tenses, or something, wrong. Hebrew doesn't use the same Alphabet we do, so perhaps its just the transliteration I used.

I have a Programme on my PC but it won't open due to technical errors that links to two different lexicons. Ill try to repair whats wrong with it over the weekend. But here from another programe (E-Sword, which I told you of earlier) is what it defines it as.

H3784
ëּùׁó
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).

I believe you can find Strong's concordance online as well, and with it you can simply look the word up and find he Hebrew original.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:22 PM

Hmm. I'll keep looking then.

Hebrew is tough, but fun. It's like a treasure hunt.

ZAROVE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:22 PM

Bytemite, you and I may just agree on something yet.

Although it's true about the U.S.A founders, they didn't trust their fellow man at all. Only if they had enough money and education... One of the reasons I actually don't like them, OR their antiquated ideas of Republic government rule.

I also have problems with the American Founding Fathers, and associated mythos around them.

Though I'm not sure you and I would agree politically, I also do not approve of Republicanism. But this is because I am a Loyalist and Monarchist. I do not support Absolute Monarchy, and prefer Constitutional, but do think the Monarch needs more power than just a symbol or figurehead.

This may be seen as even more Antiquat4ed of course, but I think it a better system.

Of course now I subject myself to the usual complaints about Monarchy, and many of those as mythic as the complaints about Christian history, such as people telling me how we'd lack freedom, or how we'd all be ordered about by one guy. Thats not what I support, but I wager I'll hear enough of it.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:31 PM

Eh. What is a monarch besides a strong executive figure? If some nations have Presidents, I don't have much problem with monarchs.

Of course, I do prefer a more equitable system... I have issues with class structure as an instrument as oppression, and strong class structure as prone to corruption. I prefer small, local governments, where a vote is given to everyone, and those who truly care about or are effected by an issue are encouraged to work out compromise that is acceptable to all parties.

So if you think YOUR ideas are antiquated, heck, I'm tribal!

ZAROVE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:35 PM

Also, for the last two points.

Most accused Witches where Hanged, not Burned. At least this was true in Western Europe. The Orthodox Church in the East was much more lenient, demanding Penance and perhaps some community service for Witchcraft.

Still, the bulk of the Witch Trials, contrary to popular imagination, actually where conducted by the State, not by the Church. There are even instances of the Church attempting to block Witch Trials.

For the most part, they where seen as civil affairs, rather than Ecclesiastical ones.

As to the people and their knowledge of the Bible, its a complex issue, but the base of it is that I never said they where completely ignorant of everything in the Bible, but they didn't understand it by and large.

Even many clergy in Wycliffe's time only barely understood enough Latin o get by.

The Catholic Church had based its entire Service, known as the Mass, upon a pre-arranged order, which is true even today. Thus, what happened at one Parish happened at all others around the whole of the world. It was planned and scheduled int he Missal.

Common Bible stories where recounted, as well as famous teachings, and so where known, but the bulk of the biblical material, as well as actual historical context of most of the stories recounted, where not.

So, while they weren't 100% ignorant of the Bible, the common man wasn't reading his Bible nightly, and was not well versed in it.

Its rather analogous to today, when many people know of the Ten Commandments ( Tough most can't cite them all) and know some basic Bible stories, but simply do not know a good deal about the Bible.

Indeed, look how easy it is to fool people into believing that Witch was mistranslated into Poisoner, or how many people think "cleanliness is next to Godliness" is in the Bible!

conversely, many people do not realise that Judea was run by Client Kings, that Israel had a civil war and broke up into two nations when Solomon died, or that Jesus was sent back and fourth between Herod and Pilate at his trial.

I've heard a lot of things claimed about the Bible over the years that where horribly inaccurate regarding tis content, and people easily believe claims made base don distortions of the text.

This is in a day and age when Literacy is high.

Imagine a world in which Literacy was about 15% of the population or less.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:43 PM

Huh. I thought burning them was supposed to cleanse them. Do you know why it was hanging? I mean that my impression is in those times that certain offenses had sort of standard punishments, and there was often some symbolic reason for them.

Also, what about White Witches, is there any historical context to that, or has that been invented?

ZAROVE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:46 PM

Eh. What is a monarch besides a strong executive figure? If some nations have Presidents, I don't have much problem with monarchs.

Of course, I do prefer a more equitable system... I have issues with class structure as an instrument as oppression, and strong class structure as prone to corruption. I prefer small, local governments, where a vote is given to everyone, and those who truly care about or are effected by an issue are encouraged to work out compromise that is acceptable to all parties.

So if you think YOUR ideas are antiquated, heck, I'm tribal!

Actually thats not too far off mine. I'm a Neo-Feudalist. I'd retain the rights people have won over their own lives, such as freedom of speech and assembly, and don't mind voted in small areas, I just find voting for leaders daft. Its a popularity contest, and we all know Popular people do not always make good leaders.

I'd simply allow each City to have as its principle leader either an appointed or hereditary leader, though cities may elect leaders, they are smaller. I'd call this bloke an Earl. I'd then let each County be lead by a Count, and larger areas by Dukes.

The King, sitting atop this mess, basically exists as a supreme judge, rather than as an absolute ruler. His main task is to defend the realm, as well as to make sure the Counts and Earls work in harmony with each other, and to ensure the peoples rights are maintained.

The King would not, however, directly rule each Fief.

This also allows greater freedom in smaller communities, which would determine their own character within the greater whole. IE, a Jewish Feif can decide to close its post offices and mail delivery services on Saturday rather than Sunday, and so could an officially Seventh Day Adventist Feif. They couldn't force people to follow those faiths, but could, if the area is mainly occupied or run by these groups, make hose accommodation's.

Just as an example.

ZAROVE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:47 PM

Burning was an old Roman punishment for treason, and seen as the most painful.

Witches where seen as Criminals, not traitors.

Incidentally, Heretics where burned, as they where seen as Traitors to the faith.

Also, the idea of a White witch did not exist. The root of the English word Witch is a clue, as its crooked, or bent, and a Witch was universally understood as evil.

No one thought there where good witches.

ZAROVE

Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:14 PM

Oh but on some occasions witches where burned, for ocnvienince, local custom, or also accused of Blasphemy or crimes against the state.

But most Witches where Hanged, with a few beheaded, or drowned.

OUT2THEBLACK

Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:23 PM

Something like this is what searchers will find helpful ;

an Interlinear Hebrew translation :
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

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