Jaynestown

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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 16:16
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BYTEMITE

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:56 PM

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Originally posted by hughff:
Chicken and egg. Would Jayne have sold out River if she hadn't slashed him? Would she have cut him up if she hadn't known he was about to turn her in?

I honestly think that River was having a not-so-lucid moment, and that it's more that Jayne was wearing a Blue Sun shirt that she sliced him up a little. I think River has some precognition ("Fire" in Out of Gas), but I dislike the idea that River would use that precognition to set up self-fulfilling prophecies. It's kind of a waste of her abilities, speaking in a literary sense.

War Stories, my interpretation of Jayne wanting to go help Mal is two fold. His reasoning is that if he doesn't help, he goes out the airlock (unmanly), and if things go wrong, Niska will torture him to death (manly), if things go well, then he's proven a bit of loyalty after his traitorous turn on Ariel. So going after Niska, to his logic, is the better of the two options. Feeling wise, there's about to be a big heroic fight, and Jayne wants to feel like the badass hero of his own story.

Jayne's loyalty to the crew, if it exists beyond Kaylee, is not something he acknowledges. To say that Jayne has a code or is loyal to anyone beyond his mother, father, and his little brother is, I think, a stretch. In the pilot, Mal doesn't believe Jayne turned on him or the Tams, but I think Jayne hedged his bets by giving Dobson the sharp thing to saw through his restraints. If Dobson wins, hey, maybe Jayne'll get a cut of the reward (unlikely, as he'll learn in Ariel), and if Mal beats Dobson, then Jayne gets to keep his nice secure job and sort of home.

I think Jayne tries to make the best out of the opportunities he's been given, and that he weighs the pros and cons a lot with his own unique perspective. I think that he would turn on the crew or abandon them post-Miranda, just to prove he still can.

To contradict my own argument, though, I suspect he'd have a twinge of conscience, like at the end of Jaynestown, and end up back with them. But only after Miranda, because of how that brought the crew together, despite how Jayne might have tried to resist it.

PEACEKEEPER

Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by MRSU:
About River slashing Jayne - there was some interview with Joss (or a convention transcript) where he was asked, who/waht River slashed - Jayne or Blue Sun logo?
He said - both.

And the average viewer, not a fan sitting on fan forums, is supposed to pick up the more obvious meaning first - Jayne was getting on River's nerves by picking on Simon, and she couldn't control her reactions. Blue Sun is the additional motive which can be picked up by an extra attentive viewer as a bonus. Most people who just watch the show and don't discuss it online with other fans never pick that other meaning, and are fine with the first one.

But I agree with Joss - it's both. She wouldn't have slashed him if he was just sitting there in a Blue Sun shirt with his mouth shut (she saw him in this shirt before, after all). And she wouldn't have slashed him if he was in some other shirt but still being an ***hole. She would maybe make a less dramatic gesture in that case. Blue Sun was like a trigger.

And coming back to Jaynestown, again: I still can't see how Jayne could have given up Simon to Stitch in front of Mal and be able to get away with that, or could've not realize that he won't be able to get away with that.

Its obvious to me that River wasn't trying to stab Jayne, she was trying to "paint" him. As we saw in OIS, she often picks up objects and ascribes properties to them that are separate to their realities. She obviously felt she was holding a paintbrush and not a knife, and was trying to paint over Jayne's shirt.Hence the quote "he looks better in red."

MENDUR

Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:31 PM

Hi.
I don't know if this has been dealt with previously but I have this nagging memory and I'm not sure if it's a false one or a true one.

At the end of "Jaynestown", I seem to have a memory of the mudders putting up a statue of the kid who sacrificed himself to save Jayne ... essentially changing from adoration of Jayne to adoraton of a real hero, one of their own. However, when re-watching the episode recently, I didn't see it. Was the episode re-cut for the DVDs? Or am I dreaming the whole thing?

TOADSMOOTHY

Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:51 PM

I think Jayne was torn on how he felt about Simon and River. I can't put my finger on proof of this off the top of my head. Maybe I just want to give Jayne the benefit of the doubt. It was indicated he might sell out Mal if the price was right, yet Out of Gas indicated he had real feeling for Mal. The Tams put them all in danger. The reward would set him up for life. It might give any of us in Jaynes line of work cause to do the math. And recall, River knew he was afraid that they would find out what he had done on Ariel, not because he was afraid of them but surely because he didn't want them to think ill of him. I think Jayne had a conscience, as displayed over the death of the boy at Canton, but personal survival was ingrained in his character.

DEADPOOL623

Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:16 PM

Hi all!

Hopefully this wasn't already said, but maybe Jayne just got caught up in all the hero worship and thought he'd try it? (they did have a riot on his account and all)

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