No such thing as 'Rest In Peace'
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, June 29, 2009 23:37
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I've done a ton of research into it. Life after death DOES exist.
Pray tell, enlighten us if you can, oh Grasshopper!
Or rather don't bother, since what you will say is only what you believe, not what you know, as if anyone can know.
We don't know anything of the afterlife, and Science is not in the business of pursuing such answers.
So the question is, do we base our life on faith that there is something better when we leave, or do we base the way we live our lives thinking that there is nothing after death?
It's an answer that everyone must find for themselves, and if there is only one true answer to that question after we die..... prolly 99% of us got it wrong and we'll be Hell-kabobs in the aferlife.
My god is better than your good nyah!
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Quote:My good is better than your god, bitch.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
My god is better than your good
The laughing Chrisisall
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My god is better than your good nyah!
Wrong.
My karma ran over your dogma.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I don't mean to offend (okay, so maybe I do
Originally posted by RIPWash:
a God of the universe, that he sent Jesus to die for our sins), but that is the most convoluted plot device ever. He creates everything, then allows sin into the mix, then creates & transports a sperm into Mary, has the son, & then makes sure he's crucified for the sins of man THAT HE SET UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!?!?!?!?!
In the cosmic publishing house, that submission would go right into the "reject" pile.
The laughing Chrisisall
I expected nothing less from you, Chris.
There's all the stuff about free will that I left out of my scenario. And beleive me, I do NOT understand it all, don't claim to be an expert or a pastor or Biblical scholar by any stretch of the imagination. You can look at it like this: God allowed sin into the world in order to allow us to make a choice. Either accept him or accept sin. Think about it. You're a mad scientist and you create a clone, but you don't give that clone any capability of free thought. You only allow it to dote on you, worship you and only you, and love you with reckless abandon. That just might seem kind of boring. At least to me. But to create it with the ability to think for itself, make it's own decisions and do things for it so that it DECIDES to love you. THAT makes it a little more worth-while. IMHO.
Add to that plot device that even though people DON'T chose him right away, he provides them with a way to eventually come back to him. And that way is gut-wrenching in human terms. Why? Because he loves us despite it all. Much in the same way that you love your own son and would do anything for him. You may not like WHAT he does sometimes, but you still love him. You want to teach him painful lessons sometimes, but you still love him. He may make some bad decisions in the future, but you'll want to forgive him and provide any means necessary to come back to you . . . because you love him. And that, IMHO, is pretty amazing.
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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey RIPWash, y'know, since we're here, I'd like to ask you a serious question. The thing that gets me about your scenario is that you live maybe--MAYBE--90 some odd years (if you're very lucky) and whatever the heck you managed to figure out in your "hour upon the stage," determines how you will spend the REST OF ETERNITY.
Does that seem right to you?
Seems a little like getting a pop quiz on the first day of your freshman year that determines your graduate school grade and pay rate for the rest of your dang life--only, it's much worse than that, because "the rest of your life" is standing in for the unfathomable infinitude of eternity here. If life could be figured out in 90 years, don't you think that after all the human race's time on the planet (still less than a blink of an eye when compared to eternity) we as a species would be a little farther along?
To me it's more like making a decision AFTER you've been through graduate school and have been presented with a bunch of information upon which you then have to make a decision.
Now, I'm not saying that what I beleive makes perfect sense, because it doesn't. But that's where faith comes in. Because I don't know everything and I don't pretend to know what God is thinking or what his plans are. I have a faith that what I beleive is true. You can look at it this way. Everytime you sit in chair do you investigate it thoroughly? Do you inspect the screws, the joints, the welds, the cushion? All in order to ensure the fact that the chair will support you when you sit down? And if not, why? Because you have a faith that this chair was built to do what all chairs are supposed to do. Granted that's a simplistic way to explain it, but it gets the point across . . . hopefully.
Quote:No offense taken, HK. And I'm hesitant to answer in fear that I may give the "Christian answer" that you so despise. I certainly don't mean to offend anyone here either and I definately don't want the expressing of my views or opinions here taken as my forcing them on you or anyone else.
Or do you think it's all as simple as "believeth on Him and ye shall be saved?" Everything else: sex, war, art, love, human trafficking, suicide bombers, child rearing, physiology, rape and incest all fall in line when you give it over to Jesus? I seriously don't mean to be insulting, but I kinda find the "christian answer" to be insulting in itself, simplistic and intrinsically evasive.
That being said, lemme try in my humble way to explain what I mean. The believing in him and being saved is basically all it sounds like it is and is basically that simple. The fact that "sin" continues in the world around you, doesn't make your salvation any less real. They won't fall in line just because YOU make a personal decision. All the other people in those scenarios have to make the same decision you make in order for that to happen. It's a decision YOU have to make and have faith in no matter what goes on in the world around you. Because God didn't promise you'll be happy everything will be sunshine and lollipops while you're still here on earth. Things may get tough, but it's how you deal with those times that reflects those inner beliefs. Does that make sense?
Quote:I don't look at it as a life of how you described it. I'm to do my best to do what God tells me to do in the Bible, but He also understands that I'm not perfect and never will be. So it's not so much, "DO THIS OR ELSE!" It's more, "Please do your best to follow these rules. It won't
One thing I have learned, that I'm pretty dang sure of, is that living one's life according to a mechanism of punishment and reward, having any truck at all with these pernicious illusions past the age of 10, keeps us childish, keeps us dependent, keeps us enslaved, our minds closed to what life truly has to offer. I'm not here, and I'm pretty sure neither are you, to follow some rule book and get a gold star at the end of my days for being a good boy.
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Quote:Oh, man, go ahead & offend away!
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Again, no offense is intended by my posts, folks, so please don't take it as such. But hey . . . Chris started this controversial thread anyway . . . !!! He had to know this kind of thing was comin'.
Truth is, on this particular subject, I can't BE offended. Someone could say to me, " There is no form of reincarnation, and Buddha was just some lazy fat guy, and you're an idiot if you believe that s**t", and I wouldn't care too much, except that it might be a fun insult exchange opportunity.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:That makes him kind of a tease, don't it?
Originally posted by RIPWash:
God allowed sin into the world in order to allow us to make a choice.
Quote:Are you likening God to a mad scientist? Watch it, buddy.
Think about it. You're a mad scientist and you create a clone, but you don't give that clone any capability of free thought. You only allow it to dote on you, worship you and only you, and love you with reckless abandon.
Quote:If I could give my Son enlightenment far in excess of what little I have, I would. And I'm no God.
You want to teach him painful lessons sometimes, but you still love him. He may make some bad decisions in the future, but you'll want to forgive him and provide any means necessary to come back to you . . . because you love him. And that, IMHO, is pretty amazing.
The laughing Chrisisall
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I'm reminded of a quote from a scene near the ending of "Blast from the Past."
"Why? I don't understand."
"And I'm asking you to trust me. Without understanding why."
"Well, in that case, of course."
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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
If I could give my Son enlightenment far in excess of what little I have, I would. And I'm no God.
But if God were to do that, it might be a little like downloading all the information from a supercomputer at NASA into a single Atari 800.
A) The two systems just don't mesh
B) If you COULD get it to work, the Atari 800 would more than likely explode
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Quote:Come now, God can do ANYTHING. He could give us all upgrades.
Originally posted by RIPWash:
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But if God were to do that, it might be a little like downloading all the information from a supercomputer at NASA into a single Atari 800.
In fact, God KNOWS everything, so the game of who gets the most souls with Satan must be spoiled.
The laughing Chrisisall
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