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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 14:44
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Oh, and that's another thing, this planet doesn't revolve around the USA there, dude.
We're also not the only country on it, and despite what your oh so typical american arrogance would have you believe, they're not completely helpless or clueless you know.
In fact, that little paranoid git is surrounded by folk who not only know him better, but have their hooks buried way deeper into his ass than we ever will cause maniac that he is, he wasn't crazy enough to trust us, oh hell no.
Look at what trusting us and the UN got Saddam - don't shine me, I knew (and called WELL in advance) we weren't using those inspections to prove or disprove a goddamned thing, we were usin em to make sure his county was all but helpless before we invaded it - and everyone else on the planet knows it whether WE admit it, even to ourselves or not.
As far a 'sympathy' for a government goes - did you somehow forget I am an Anarchist with no sympathy whatever for ANY government ?
Besides which, if you dislike 'stalinism' so much, where ya been for the past two administrations AND the current one moving towards it as hard and as fast as they can, eh ?
I got zero sympathy for governments, only some for his people, and not a lot of that cause if enough of em wanted him gone, he'd BE gone - and then what, having some other first world country prop up some dipshit like Pinochet, or Papa Doc, or hell.. Saddam ?
Fuck that, the only reason they tolerate him is cause he's the devil they know, and his ass is in between them and OUR interference, which historically wouldn't better their lot very goddamn much, just ask RAWA how much our actions have "improved" their lot in fucking afghanistan, thanks a bunch!
And if we ain't on his ass, you got Putin, who is NOT a very nice man, and his government is a lot more ruthless and less patient than ours, just ask the georgians - or how bout the chinese, who likely sold him that shit in the first place, ain't likely to be very amused, and are almost assuredly sharpening their knives and waiting for him to fuck up, cause they're smart enough to not telegraph their plans by talking shit in advance.
As for your ticking bomb mushroom cloud bullshit, yanno, I heard this pathetic little sob story before, about India, about Pakistan...
So, umm, when did the nuclear armageddon we were promised happen then ?
Oh, wait, like - NEVER!
You wanna sit there in your knee-knocking fear howling for someone to "do something" you go right the hell ahead, but don't expect ME to fall for that bullshit - you wanna be scared of a bunch of crazy fuckers with nukes, look to DC, look to the only folks who ever actually dropped one on people.
As for Puffer-Fish-Boy, the rest of the world can handle his ass just fine WITHOUT our ham fisted stupidity, and it's about goddamn time people like you and yours realized that.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
As far a 'sympathy' for a government goes - did you somehow forget I am an Anarchist with no sympathy whatever for ANY government ?
Besides which, if you dislike 'stalinism' so much, where ya been for the past two administrations AND the current one moving towards it as hard and as fast as they can, eh ?
I wouldn't worry, Finn has a long history of making baseless and wild personal accusations about people who make statements he finds himself unable to argue against. He's calling you Stalinist, because he can't actually argue against what you were actually saying, not at least without showing himself up as the crazed Authoritarian Jingoist Nut-Job most of us know him to be. The reason no one else is picking you up on this, is because we know what you meant.
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Quote:That’s right. Iraq made that very clear. North Korea need not worry about UN resolutions, since according to events surround Iraq, the UN won’t enforce anything anyway. Until members of the UN decide to act to enforce those rules on their own. My guess is that North Korea thinks having nuclear weapons will prevent members from acting to enforce the UN, which may be true.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And it's not like the UN has any real authority when it's pretty clear to the whole world that certain countries don't have to abide by the rules, therefore invalidating it's whole purpose.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Yeah, poor Saddam Hussein.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Look at what trusting us and the UN got Saddam - don't shine me, I knew (and called WELL in advance) we weren't using those inspections to prove or disprove a goddamned thing, we were usin em to make sure his county was all but helpless before we invaded it - and everyone else on the planet knows it whether WE admit it, even to ourselves or not.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
and you DO realize that sending a team into someone elses country to blow shit up, or bombing it, is an act of war, right ?
Yep.
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In October 1983, a P'yongyang-directed terrorist attack resulted in the cessation of the peace process. A bomb that exploded in Rangoon, Burma, killed twenty-one people, including seventeen high-ranking officials of the South Korean government then visiting Burma. The bombing was planned and executed by personnel drawn from North Korean army units. Chun's decision not to retaliate with force set a precedent that won him praise from abroad and sympathy for his unpopular regime at home. Seoul's reliance on diplomatic and economic measures to counter terrorism rather than a small-scale attack on a North Korean target, which could be used as an excuse for beginning an all-out war, effectively mobilized international public opinion to limit trade and other contacts with North Korea.
Another terrorist attack occurred in September 1987 when two North Korean saboteurs placed a bomb on a Seoul-bound Korean Air Boeing 707 aircraft carrying ninety-five passengers and twenty crew members. The plane exploded over the Andaman Sea (south of Burma), killing all aboard. Chun, following the precedent set in 1983 after the Rangoon bombing, ruled out military retaliation and asked the international community to condemn North Korea for its continued belligerence.
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-12364.html
Oh, and this.
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North Korea has admitted kidnapping 13 Japanese citizens in the 1970s and 1980s to help train spies.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/international/402772/japan_issues_arrest_
warrants_for_nkorean_agents/
and,
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Thousands of South Korean troops backed by helicopters and tracker dogs searched a mountainous area today for the last survivors of a group of North Korean commandos who apparently sneaked into South Korea from a submarine before dawn on Wednesday
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/19/world/south-koreans-hunt-last-of-inf
iltrators-from-sub.html
plus,
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In January 1968 a group of North Korean saboteurs assaulted the presidential palace, the Blue House, in the hopes of assassinating President Park.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/advisory/state/fruskorea.html
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh, and that's another thing, this planet doesn't revolve around the USA there, dude.
Sure it does. As you never refrain from telling us, it's all America's fault. Nothing happens without our intervention. Nations and peoples around the world are completely incapable of doing anything unless it's in response to American provocation. If it hadn't been for America, Hitler would have changed into lederhosen and gone back to painting. Stalin would have held free and fair elections. Columbus would have suggested to Ferdinand and Isabella that the new world be left to the natives. They would have agreed.
Kim Jung Il, the guy you tivialize as a 'puffer-fish' managed, in a country with a population of 23 million, to starve 2.5 to 3.5 million of them to death in 5 years. This is four to six times the number of Japanese civilian causalties in WWII. Up to a few years ago, you could be executed for owning an unapproved radio (now it's just exile to slow starvation for you and your family). But that's all right, since he's not American, it can't be real injustice.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Geeze, I am well aware that NK has committed various and sundry acts of war against South Korea - but being the target of those actions, South Korea decides the response, not us.
And since neither South Korea nor Japan decided to go to war with em, them being the aggreived parties, why should WE bitch about it ?
The Russians pissed em off pretty bad back then too, when they blew KAL 007 out of the air, which was a *seriously* dickheaded thing to do, and credit to Reagan for having the bright idea to open up the military GPS to civilian airlines to prevent such fuckups in the future, a useful piece of non military intervention that has benefitted the world as a whole.
There's MORE responses than either do nothing or go all out armageddon, ya dimwit - you *might* recall that since we installed and propped up that dick Saddam in the first place, I was ALL in favor of assassinating his ass cause that fell under the "shoot your own dog" philosophy, and that didn't require sticking our dicks in a wringer.
As for your pathetic little strawman, Kim Jong ain't got shit to do with us, but I *am* going to call us out on shit we DID do, like endless rounds of "gunboat diplomacy" and our little proxy war back in the fifties.
What he DOES have to do with, is South Korea, cause as of yesterday he's officially withdrawn the original armistice signed to end that conflict, which does concern me some, but even the white house staff referred to this as "saber-rattling and bluster".
(Yes, I have a cite, related link at end of this post)
From the looks of it, the bastard just MIGHT be crazy enough to try a limited conventional engagement while hiding under his nuclear "shield", which is not so much a threat when neither the Russians nor China will back him up, and the UN, NATO and us will back the South Koreans, which I don't have a major problem with as they're our allies - but it's THEIR show, not ours, it's their country under threat, and to dictate their responses to them would be an insult, not that it ever stops us.
And while what the punk does in his OWN country, distasteful though it may be, is his own business - the minute any of his military forces cross the line we (we as in South Korea, backed up by the rest of the world) damn well should vaporise them with extreme prejudice, and use ENOUGH force to make damn sure he gets the message.
But talk - that's just talk, ANYONE can talk shit, it don't mean a whole lot, what matters is what they DO, and while we should be aware of and prepared to respond to a threat, he isn't one, not to us - and therefore our role in it should be limited to backing up the folk he IS a threat to.
And until he actually does something other than talk, fuck him - he wants folk to be afraid of him cause his power, like most other power, rests on fear, and to hell if imma hand him any over me in that fashion.
You get into that pre-emptive "but they might" bullshit, you might as well kill everyone on the planet cause they "might, someday" do something, and it's shit like that which causes so much needless trauma in so many ways, from this latest shoveljob from on high about "preventive detention" and even the FLDS fiasco, over what "might, someday" happen ?
Fuck that - I refuse to live in fear, not of men, governments or even gods.
And if he DOES do something, then we kick his ass so hard he'll need a dentist to do a prostate exam, but until that moment, he's just one more dickhead with a loud mouth, is all.
People like him ain't GOT power, till someone GIVES it to em by being afraid of him, or the boogeymen he holds up to scare people, just like any other government - you wanna hand him some more, you go right on with that.
Related Link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5goGcm6AL4tHyTt3gp1P
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-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Kim Il Chia-Pet-Hair is fugging insane. I would not put it past him to just totally lose it one day and launch everything he's got. Sure, it's suicide for him and his country, but his ilk don't care. Sayonara Tokyo & Seoul.
p.s. Sorry world, but when I see films of those countless rows of North Korean female soldiers marching in step in their uniforms, well shit, it's a real turn-on. They're all just so damn cute! They can capture me any time they want.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Geeze, I am well aware that NK has committed various and sundry acts of war against South Korea - but being the target of those actions, South Korea decides the response, not us.
And since neither South Korea nor Japan decided to go to war with em, them being the aggreived parties, why should WE bitch about it ?
South Korea and Japan have bitched about it, and, since we have defense treaties with both of them, we back them up by bitching about it too. If someone threatens your friends, or those you've agreed to help, do you ignore it?
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
My folk aren't armed, and due to the nature of our legal system and the possibility of getting sued - are in fact forbidden to even attempt detainment of a perp, SOP is to scare them witless, helped along by the mysterious rumor that our company will put you at the bottom of the nearby lake and end the matter there.
I'm sure the bits of chain and cinderblocks next to harry's boat out back have helped feed this rumor quite nicely.
Guess not.
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There's MORE responses than either do nothing or go all out armageddon, ya dimwit -
I know that, you idiot. I've never suggested we attack North Korea, just that we should be prepared to preempt any action they take, and possibly prevent them from selling nuclear technology to any psycho government (and you hate government, remember) that has the bucks.
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As for your pathetic little strawman, Kim Jong ain't got shit to do with us...
Once again, if he attacks South Korea, with whom we have treaties, it does got shit to do with us. If you agree to help your neighbor defend his home, and someone trys to break in, do you say, "Well, it ain't got shit to do with me."?
Quote:With whom we have defense treaties.
What he DOES have to do with, is South Korea,
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And while what the punk does in his OWN country, distasteful though it may be, is his own business
I'm sure the people starving to death there appreciate your concern.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Nice job of cherry picking to step around me saying we damn well should back em up, all those little keyworded chain yanks musta caught close enough to home to annoy you, especially since you went rakin other posts to take a quote out of context.
On that note:
If folks want armed security and the legal team necessary for it's use, they can damn well pay for it - we don't DO this job out of the goodness of our hearts you know, despite me having enough personal regard for site three to throw in a little extra now and then, it *is* my community after all.
And since your own cherry picking distortions have rendered the rest of your whole argument invalid in light of my blatantly stated preference for kickin his ass right up the back of his neck if he DOES do something...
Lemme point out your own complete hypocrisy.
You didn't give a rats ass about "his people" and you still don't, save as an excuse to vilify others when you cannot justify your own cowardly behavior - a deflection I'd usually just ignore and give you a pass on, but not this time.
If his people don't fuckin like it, then they can do what people have historically done many times, if ENOUGH of your people want you gone, you're gone, and misery and all, the bastard is more palatable to them than throwing his ass out would be - and despite the fact that he's a total slimeball, look at Iraq, or Somalia, you throw down a regime willy-nilly without some other card in your hand to put on the table, you might end up with worse, and in a total government collapse you'll have even MORE people starve to death (See Also: Biafra) so don't play black n white with me and then pretend you didn't.
So don't come whining to me about the fate of 'his people' when concern for them is no part of your agenda but justification for shit you can't find a real reason for.
And lest you forget in your partisan blindness, I am neither a liberal, nor a pacifist, and I *AM* quite supporting of playing "dirty" on a national level so long as we do it in a discrete, competent manner - while I find it distasteful, it's still better than this mighty-whitey-righty yes-sifu hoo-rah macho BULLSHIT that just gets all the wrong people killed.
Ponder this. (Re: Saddam)
A bullet costs less than five bucks, and we coulda found any number of people willing to fire it for not much more than that, even cheaper if we hired some fanatic fool enough to martyr himself in true hashishin fashion by getting close enough to make sure.
Would they be pissed ? sure, but not all that much more than they already were, and CERTAINLY not as pissed as they are now.
Would they be able to DO much about it, especially if they couldn't prove it cause no one was stupid enough to blab it all over Fox News for months and months in advance ?
Nope.
Would he still be dead ? shit yeah.
And frankly, casualties, disorder and expense would have been significantly less than they have been with the damn stupid way we did go about it.
If this guy is such a maniac as that, then we should have a little chat with the Chinese and give them the nod and a wink while suggesting they find someone to cap his ass - pretty sure if he's got that big an "issue" with disaffected parties, there's a damn plenty of em to pick from who're already entertaining fond thoughts of mating his skull to a 7.62x54R - I doubt it would take much effort on behalf of the Chinese to enourage it to the point where it happens.
That's one reason I am not in favor of wars, cause the peons with no say do all the dyin while the leaders retire to the bahamas or go into cushy exile - fuck that, we peons are sick of that shit, let the leaders start capping each other if they got such a goddamn problem.
But of course that concept is likely so wholly alien to your way of thinking it won't even register.
You really don't have any concept of what yer dealin with, cause it doesn't fit into any of your neat little mental categories - and that offends you, doesn't it ?
GOOD.
-F
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