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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Are middle-easterners Americans? You say it isn't about racism, but you want to force an entire group of people out of this country based on nothing more than your own fear of them.
I don't fear them. I've said countless times to the FAR right folk in here that the only way we'd be suffering bombings in schools in malls is if our Government allowed it to happen (for their own gain).
The only entity I fear here is the Government. It is other people's fear of middle easterners living among us that will allow Government to do as it pleases, just as the American economy has had the final nail put in the coffin in recent months because of the people's fear of recession.
Perhaps this isn't a good solution, but Government micro-managing of our lives allowed because of our fear of them, in my book, is the greater of two evils in this situation.
It has nothing to do with race or racism from my platform. I just know that as long as they are here and didn't clean up the shit in their own home country, our Government will use them to achieve what they desire. Obama was supposed to change that...... but look where we are now.
Hell... It drives me up a fucking wall that I'm almost missing Bush at this point.
I hate to sound so blunt, and I know it's not as simple as I'm making it here, and I realize there is a great deal of what I'm saying that is very unfair..... but ask yourself this one question?
Would people in America and any European country with lax immigration laws and a lot of middle easterners within teh borders be even close to as worried about what was going on in the Middle East today if there weren't so many people from there living in their own neighborhoods today?
PS.. this wouldn't be the Government doing this. If this happened, it would have to be because of resounding support of it by the people. They would have to be forced into it on a large scale to get it done in today's P.C. world.
But who am I kidding.....? When they start taxing your Soda at a buck a can, you'll all just roll over and let them rape you. If we can't even protect soda and beer protected from the ridiculous "sin" taxes (which unlike cigarettes are both enjoyed by a majority of Americans), and we can't get a decent man into the throne... how would we ever be able to really get something meaningful done.
Could we all at least agree that until shit dies down we firmly watch our borders and suspend future immigration? We do have a whole lot of gangland influence breaking our well defended
southern border because of our failed "War on Drugs".Can we at least keep the new bad guys out?
Also... Please allow me to put it into terms the Liberals here would understand....
If we internment camp people here, or make them wear badges or ship them home.... well... that's kinda like putting your baby in a dumpster. We're not down with that....
But if we were to prevent people from coming in starting today, well that's like birth control. Hell... even extracting all of the ones who aren't legal American citizens would be nothing more than abortion.
Where's the difference?
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nice job of cherry picking to step around me saying we damn well should back em up, all those little keyworded chain yanks musta caught close enough to home to annoy you, especially since you went rakin other posts to take a quote out of context.
Huh?
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You didn't give a rats ass about "his people" and you still don't, save as an excuse to vilify others when you cannot justify your own cowardly behavior - a deflection I'd usually just ignore and give you a pass on, but not this time.
You're wrong, but you're so into your "hate America" thing I doubt I could convince you otherwise; so I won't bother.
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If his people don't fuckin like it, then they can do what people have historically done many times, if ENOUGH of your people want you gone, you're gone, and misery and all, the bastard is more palatable to them than throwing his ass out would be...
Good thing France didn't take that attitude in 1776.
When was the last successful people's revolution which was not supported by outside actors? The North Korean peasants can't grab their rifles off the mantle and form militias to overthrow the government. They don't have any communication with the outside world at all. They've been brainwashed, like the kids forced into prostitution you care so much about - but for 60 years: from the cradle. The Army knows that they need to keep the people in line to keep being fed. The government completely controls the media, and if the people think the government is defending them, it's only because of 60 years of lies, continuously repeated.
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So don't come whining to me about the fate of 'his people' when concern for them is no part of your agenda but justification for shit you can't find a real reason for.
Don't try taking your mind-reading act on the road, Frem. They'd boo you off the stage.
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Ponder this. (Re: Saddam)
A bullet costs less than five bucks, and we coulda found any number of people willing to fire it for not much more than that, even cheaper if we hired some fanatic fool enough to martyr himself in true hashishin fashion by getting close enough to make sure.
Assuming a hashed-up nutcase could get the real Saddam and not a double, we would'a ended up with Uday and Qusay; and a really paranoid Uday and Qusay who'd be really trigger-happy. Bad news for anyone near enough Iraq to be attacked. Yep, that sounds like a solution.
Also, remember how well trying to assassinate Castro turned out.
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If this guy is such a maniac as that, then we should have a little chat with the Chinese and give them the nod and a wink while suggesting they find someone to cap his ass
But the Chinese don't want him dead, or he probably would be.
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You really don't have any concept of what yer dealin with, cause it doesn't fit into any of your neat little mental categories - and that offends you, doesn't it ?
I could say the same about you. You've got "America, the warmonger" so stuck in your brain you see nothing else.
If you read the news, you might notice that just about every major country in the world is criticizing North Korea's recent actions. Russia and China are criticizing them. The EU and much of Asia are criticizing them. They all understand that North Korea will sell the weapons they're testing to any nutcase tinpot dictator with the money, and don't want that to happen. They don't want the world any more destabilised than it is.
Also, no one is threatening to go to war with North Korea. The most folk are trying to do is to keep them from shipping the aforesaid weapons to the aforesaid dictators.
It's North Korea who keeps threatening war, and with the fourth largest army in the world - now with extra added nuclear capability - the world has to react to that. They're doing so in a unified fashion.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Also... Please allow me to put it into terms the Liberals here would understand....
If we internment camp people here, or make them wear badges or ship them home.... well... that's kinda like putting your baby in a dumpster. We're not down with that....
But if we were to prevent people from coming in starting today, well that's like birth control. Hell... even extracting all of the ones who aren't legal American citizens would be nothing more than abortion.
Where's the difference?
What? Where's the response to those questions? Too much truth for anyone to handle here?
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Maybe your "questions" were just too ludicrous to be taken seriously, 6ix.
Deportation is to abortion as fish is to bicycle.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.
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Jongsstraw: Is it just me, or do those women look terrified?
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6ix: The thing is, we went down that path before.
In the 1940s, would people in neighborhoods be half as worried about what was going on with the war in Japan if there weren't people of Japanese ancestry in those same neighborhoods?
No, they wouldn't have been. But look at the result. We never found any spies, and I'm not saying they didn't exist (or that they don't exist now), but I AM saying that no matter what you do, someone, somehow, will manage to evade the little round-up you're suggesting.
I don't think you want to flush those bombing nutters out into the open and take away the community of people most likely to be paying attention and smacking down that kind of behaviour unless you want to make them desperate and give them an opportunity. If we think we've taken care of the problem, we stop looking, you know what I mean?
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Jongsstraw: Is it just me, or do those women look terrified?
It's likely that everyone in N. Korea is terrified, and if Kimmy is anything like soul-mate Sadaam, then those in his inner circle are the most terrified. I know a lot of Korean-American gals from work and they are just the best. Funny, smart, & pretty. It's a real shame all Koreans are not free. I think for these military gals in N. Korea, they're doing much better than the average person there.
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It's North Korea who keeps threatening war, and with the fourth largest army in the world - now with extra added nuclear capability - the world has to react to that. They're doing so in a unified fashion.
Which is, as I pointed out, the correct thing to do, don't sit there and pretend I don't think the guy is a tyrant, a jackass and enough of a threat to bear watchin, since I've said as much.
But he ain't just OUR problem, this hoo-rah headfirst shit we're known for is less effective than linking arms with our allies, and so far so good on that respect.
As for his people, there's a long difference between supporting someone elses revolt, and startin one, given how that worked out in regard to Operation Ajax, among others, the latter has a tendancy to come back and bite us on the ass.
Shit, for that matter one need only look as far as the fiasco that is Iraq to realise throwing down some dickheaded tyrant without popular support isn't exactly the great idea it might look like on paper - a good chunk of those folk wish they had Saddam BACK, which fuels my disgust at our pathetic *stupidity* in going in willy-nilly like that, something which you might recall I not only warned folk about, but told well in advance, chapter and verse, EXACTLY how that was gonna go - only to have it shouted down as "crazy talk" by folks like you.
We're part of the world, not it's entirety, and while we should take, and are taking, our place in keepin a lid on puffer fish boy, it's NOT our place to go charging into someone elses country and forcing our will on them no matter how much of an evil prick their leader is, cause in the end that makes us not a whit better.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
But he ain't just OUR problem, this hoo-rah headfirst shit we're known for is less effective than linking arms with our allies, and so far so good on that respect.
If I were seeing any "hoo-rah headfirst shit", maybe I'd see your point. All I see now is the U.N. Security Council considering sanctions, and a multi-national group trying to prevent the export of nukes and missles. The U.S. is a part of these actions, sure, but hardly the only state supporting them. We have deplored North Korea's actions, but so has just about everyone else.
The worst thing we've done to North Korea in the past few years was refusing to hold one-to-one talks with them about denuclearization. If we'd done that, rather than pushing for the Six Party talks that included the folks in the region, then we would have been engaging in the headfirst stuff.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Maybe your "questions" were just too ludicrous to be taken seriously, 6ix.
Deportation is to abortion as fish is to bicycle.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.
Explain yourself.
Regardless of what you think about that analogy, illegals should be deported and the borders should be locked up anyhow. We waste billions, and soon to be trillions fighting wars abroad and enforcing our unconstitutional imperialism on the rest of the world, and yet we practically let anyone who wants to come here do so whether it's legal or not.
Rethugs and Demons do this. All they care about is their personal careers, and not the well being of the American people.
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