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Originally posted by Geezer:

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I know they're a bunch of repressive dickheads, Geeze, my POINT is that we really should quit providing them with an *excuse* for it.

And we should start that by developing a negotiation scheme other than pointing a gun at them and demanding they comply.

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We did. In 2007 at the Six-Party Talks we agreed to provide them with food and fuel, and they agreed to stop playing with nuclear weapons. That sure worked.

Even if we left them completely alone, they would still be able to manufacture an *excuse* relating to Japan or South Korea. Given the government's control of the media in North Korea, they could probably blame San Marino and most of the population would buy it.

North Korea CAN'T come into the world. They can't allow their people to know what's actually happening. They will manufacture threats, and spread them through their media, even if no threats exist. They need to keep their wall up and prevent any contact with the outside.

BTW, countries other than the U.S. have tried negotiating with North Korea. They get the same broken promises and treaties, and have for years. It's just the way North Korea handles foreign policy.

You know what insanity is, Frem?

Doin the same stupid shit over and over and expecting a different result.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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This is what South Koreas sunshine policy was all about. Trying to do business up north, culture and scientific exchange, they even ran a factory on the border ( at a loss I hear ) to have regular people work together and start to think about things.

Then the name calling and posturing shut all of it down.

Sure other countrys have tried other approaches, but when ever the US starts in, everything else gets shoved off the table. Here, Palestine, the middle east... everywhere.



" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Yikes, Jack - you know better than this, besides, the ones over HERE are the ones who hate those crapheads over THERE so badly that they were willing to move to a country with a whole different language and culture to get a fresh start, to get away from those jerks.

Believe me, I am well aware of this since I happen to live right near Dearborn and it's significant arabic descended population, most of whom are pretty cool folks, and they're annoyed as hell at the perception that just cause of their ancestry that they are some kind of rabid fanatics who want to blow shit up and lemme add on top of it with this YOU are falling for the divide and conquer gambit that you're usually so good at catching out.

As for them being used as an excuse, shit man, the powers that be will ALWAYS find someone to demonise, some bullshit excuse, it's down to us not to be gullible enough to fall for it - look how flat the attempted swine flu panic has fallen, as a perfect example of we the people NOT falling for that fearmongering bullshit.

Which you HAVE fallen for, here.

Lemme point this out to you in no uncertain terms - the ONLY bombing by one of these radical shits successfully carried out over here was Ramzi Youssefs boys, who would not, could not, have pulled it off if the FBI had not handed them the bomb and an expert to wire it up (Emad Salem) and then made sure to go hands off till they detonated it.

You know why ?
Cause no domestic arabic community will tolerate, nor support that shit, not only cause of the lynch mob mentality of people too STUPID to realize the ones who moved here are our friends, but because they do not like those shitheads any more than we do!

As the FBI has learned the hard way, dimwits going around in Dearborn trying to start a jihad wind up with thier ass royally kicked BY the locals, and quickly, they moved to america to get AWAY from that bullshit and they'll not countenance it here - and yet the friggin FBI keeps sending in provacateurs to try and pick shit, and threatening or trying to blackmail/extort people who would, if you didn't DO that, actually be more than willing to help bag up and deport assholes who wanna start some shit.

Think about it, your import-version fanatic, he doesn't speak the language, knows nothing of the culture due to his OWN arrogance, or at least has a very distorted image of it, has no supplies or equipment, and the local folks who DO speak his language would just as soon lynch his ass themselves as an object lesson - the only real source of intel, equipment and supplies these asswipes have EVER found here is the very alphabet goons who are SUPPOSED to be preventing this crap, but more often than not wind up sponsoring it!

I myself have a bit of a grudge over it due to what happened in my last little hometown - was a gas station on the main drag, run by a pretty decent arabic fellow with a less than personable wife, and all this guy wanted was the american dream, he was cheerful and quite tolerant, if a bit hen-pecked, and more honest than the gas station up at the other end, which has been repeatedly fined for shorting gallons, selling impure gasoline and a couple other things, and they started pickin crap by accusing him of shit cause he was "stealing all their business" by not being an asshole.

Well, he was having trouble with the insane amount of red tape involved in becoming a citizen, something he VERY much wanted to do, and was often on the phone trying to FIX, mind you - and you know what happened to him ?

The freakin DepHomeSec creeps rolled up and headbagged him right there on main street in broad daylight, and past that nobody knows what happened to the guy - that gas station lies deserted now, weeds growing up through the concrete, one more business not doin business, and now it's either buy contaminated crap from the crooks up the road or go five miles down the service drive and pay city prices, something ain't nobody happy about, and has left the folks who live in that town with a nasty disposition towards the agents of authority,

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Even if we left them completely alone, they would still be able to manufacture an *excuse* relating to Japan or South Korea.

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Sure, I pointed that out - but dude, if they're obviously not gonna keep an agreement, many of which you gotta admit were forced on them, mind you - why the hell make agreements with em ?

After a couple times, you'd think we'd learn about that, yes ?

They don't like us, fine, they don't HAVE to like us, and if they do pick some shit we're quite capable of turning their country into a blackened wasteland, so why bother with em ?

I don't like what they do to their own, but it ain't our country, and I sure as hell wouldn't provide them a damn thing (I am all in favor of yanking ANY form of foreign aid to anyone these days) till they come to us and offer something in return.

They wanna be isolationist, let em, long as they do it on their OWN turf, that's all on them and sooner or later that'll implode on them, but we don't need to go around addressing the worlds problems when we got stuff needing attention here at home - so we should simply take up a stance of neither supporting NOR threatening them, and leave it the hell alone.

Trying to poke our nose in where it's unwanted has ever been the road to disaster for us, and this is no different, sooner or later his own people will get sick of him and do something about it, if ENOUGH of your population wants you gone, you're gone, no two ways about it.

There's a merit to leaving the hell alone you know - so he has a nuke, so what, he's surrounded by folk a lot nastier than us who have no patience with the idea of him using it, and for all his puffer-fish blustering it's a given that he's well aware that trying the patience of those folk too far is asking for the chop.

He don't wanna deal with us, fine - let him try dealin with Putin or Hu Jintao, see how far he gets with that.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
They don't like us, fine, they don't HAVE to like us, and if they do pick some shit we're quite capable of turning their country into a blackened wasteland, so why bother with em ?

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Because if they do 'pick some shit' with a nuke they could kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people. They've got the bomb and the delivery system, which puts all of South Korea and Japan squarely in their sights. Kim has pretty much said he'd be willing to lose 70% of North Korea's population in a war. He and his cadre have plenty of hideouts. They don't care about the population in general, and know that even if they did use a nuke, there'd be too much international handwringing for anyone to respond in kind.

But I guess if it's not you getting blown up, just Japanese or South Koreans, it's fine.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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But I guess if it's not you getting blown up, just Japanese or South Koreans, it's fine.

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Excuse me? Didn't you support the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

I guess as long as it's not you getting blown up, just some innocent Iraqis and Kurds, that's all fine, right?

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Kim has pretty much said he'd be willing to lose 70% of North Korea's population in a war. He and his cadre have plenty of hideouts. They don't care about the population in general, and know that even if they did use a nuke, there'd be too much international handwringing for anyone to respond in kind.

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Some cites to back up any of those claims would be nice. Otherwise, people might just have to assume you're passing on right-wing propaganda.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So your "solution" it to just blindly knuckle under to the government and go with whatever they say is easiest, right? Let me guess, they actually sold you on it with that "it's for your own good" line of bullshit.

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I have no idea what your talking about here man. There's no way our government today would ever propose any solutions I've suggested. Look around you.... Is even FOX news and that dipshit O'Rielly or even the pill popping Rush so bold as to say these things?

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Bold? Don't you mean "stupid"? No, they're not so stupid as to say these things. As for you not knowing what I'm talking about, I'm talking about you posting THIS:

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I hate to sound racist here, but personally I don't think middle easterners should be allowed to live in the US. The only other answer would be to "label" them like the Germans did the Jews in WWII and I'm not down with that.

They should be allowed to sell their possessions and take the money back with them. We should work hard to make their transitions to their home countries as easy as possible. Once there, it is not our problem what happens.

If Imus can't get away with a "nappy-headed-ho" comment, surely suggesting what I am would be a career ending move, politically or otherwise.

So.... you gotta be kidding me.

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So you don't think "middle easterners" (without ever going into detail about who exactly those people would be) should be "allowed" to live here. Your other "solution" (would it be your "final solution"?) would be to label them as such. You say "we" would allow them to sell their possessions and help make shipping them out as easy as possible, yet you somehow can't quite fathom how I'd ever mistake that for wanting the government involved in this plan? Who did you think was going to do it? Who is this "we" you speak of, if the government isn't going to be involved?

And if you're not proposing this as some kind of solution, or as an honest and serious proposal, then what's your point? If we're just wish-making here, I could as easily say that the solution to global warming is that cows should fart rainbows.

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And who are these "sheeple" you speak of who are cowering under their beds right now? I mean, besides AuRaptor, I really haven't ever seen anyone who's as terrified of muslims as you seem to think they are.

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I mentioned "sheeple" and people who cower under their own beds separately. There are many sheep who leave the bedroom and pretend that it isn't happening and there are sheeple who are oblivious to it happening too. Though the Rethugs have the lock primarily on the hiding-under-the-bed type, the Demons have plenty of sheepish tenancies as well.... but that's another post all to itself.

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Also, how do you weed them out? Do you just walk up and ask them if they're muslim? Do you round up anyone who isn't white? Do you patrol the mosques? Do you serve pork and detain anyone who refuses it?

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There is no weeding out. Did I even mention Muslims or the Muslim faith one single time? I said ALL of them... Christians too.

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Okay, what are your criteria then? How do you pick who gets sent back. You say "middle easterners" - where does your theoretical middle east start and end? And how many generations must we send back? Are we just kicking out people who have themselves come from the mid-east, or are we kicking out those whose parents and grandparents came from there? It sounds as if you only want "real" Americans in America; if so, I hope you're of 100% Native American descent. Otherwise, you better pack your bags and get the fuck out!

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But I'm not going to say anymore about that. I do offer my condolences to them when the innocents have to suffer for the actions of the extremists.

Don't worry... because this is a suggestion that would never come to life in the real world. The government would have far too much to lose by imposing it. The people would have to

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