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POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 14:44
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Hmm, apparently you missed the incidents I was referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Sherman_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_expedition_to_Korea_(1871)
A very inauspicious beginning to our relationship with them, and a history built on that and other such jackassery leads them not to trust us very much.
-F
Fremd, we bombed Germany to rubble and nuked Japan 65 years ago and they deal with us with no rancor. Considering the changes in government and society in North Korea since 1871, I doubt your cites would be much of an issue unless the North Koreans wanted it to be.
Japan did much worse to North Korea in the 1930s and 40s, but they are currently their number three trading partner after China and South Korea.
Still not sure why you are so hot to defend one of the most repressive regimes in the world. All I can figure is that your hatred of the U.S. government blinds you to everything else.
Another little tidbit from the "Pyongyang" book.
"In the 1990s, at the height of a famine that claimed some 2 million lives, North Korea was the world's largest client for Henessy (sic) cognac."
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Let me get this straight. You're advocating extraditing people, many of them innocents, in what will basically amount to a death sentence... because things would be more convenient for you.
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I know they're a bunch of repressive dickheads, Geeze, my POINT is that we really should quit providing them with an *excuse* for it.
And we should start that by developing a negotiation scheme other than pointing a gun at them and demanding they comply.
Cause we ain't never stopped doin that, which is one reason they have more favorable relations with the people that did.
But you ain't seemin to get where I am goin with this, and it ain't cause you're stupid, it's cause you got an agenda which isn't compatible with the idea of negotiation with them as a potential equal, but reeks of more of the same dickheaded gunboat diplomacy which has done naught but cause slaughter and hard feelings for a hundred plus years.
You know what insanity is, Geeze ?
Doin the same stupid shit over and over and expecting a different result.
Oh, and Jack ?
You'll find me firmly against you on that one, and you might wanna mentally chew over what that is - just sayin.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Let me get this straight. You're advocating extraditing people, many of them innocents, in what will basically amount to a death sentence... because things would be more convenient for you.
Yes. I am advocating extracting people because the internment camps we had here were evil during WWII.
It has nothing to do with convenience.
Their very presence here gives the Government the convenient excuse to put cameras up everywhere, illegally wiretap us, illegally detain us indefinitely, and instills a fear in a majority of easily manipulated sheeple in America to allow this all to happen for their "safety".
What happens to them when they're not here anymore is not my problem. I am adamant that we are not to be invading and occupying foreign countries and have since I first started posting here. That goes both ways.
If you have a better suggestion, I'm open to reason, but their very presence here is a detriment to the freedoms of the American People (White, Black, Yellow and Red)and they need to leave. Until they clean up their own mess, they are not welcome here.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh, and Jack ?
You'll find me firmly against you on that one, and you might wanna mentally chew over what that is - just sayin.
Guess we can't agree on everything Frem...
I agree it's not a perfect solution, but without them here, there goes the need for us to allow our Government to take such invasive measures.
People will understand this way of thinking more if these people ever really do start bombing schools and malls. One of two things is going to happen then.... The first is the Government will lock down everything from the internet to the time your allowed to walk the streets at night. The second being that there will be a whole lot of dead innocent people right here on our soil when people start really losing faith in our Government to do anything about the problem and start taking measures in their own hands.
Ain't no end to the senselessness of an angry mob out for blood. Imagine how hard life will be for Habib running his local quick stop when people who speak and talk similar to him have killed children that they knew just a few miles down the road.
Them leaving now is the best thing for everyone.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Let me get this straight. You're advocating extraditing people, many of them innocents, in what will basically amount to a death sentence... because things would be more convenient for you.
Yeah, I think he is - but it's okay, because he's only saying we should send back the non-christian ones.
And he can't figure out why I confuse him for a right-wingnut...
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Their very presence here gives the Government the convenient excuse to put cameras up everywhere, illegally wiretap us, illegally detain us indefinitely, and instills a fear in a majority of easily manipulated sheeple in America to allow this all to happen for their "safety".
The government has never NEEDED an excuse to do any of the things you're talking about; all they've ever needed is your fear. Congratulations on just playing right into their hands.
So your "solution" it to just blindly knuckle under to the government and go with whatever they say is easiest, right? Let me guess, they actually sold you on it with that "it's for your own good" line of bullshit.
And who are these "sheeple" you speak of who are cowering under their beds right now? I mean, besides AuRaptor, I really haven't ever seen anyone who's as terrified of muslims as you seem to think they are.
Also, how do you weed them out? Do you just walk up and ask them if they're muslim? Do you round up anyone who isn't white? Do you patrol the mosques? Do you serve pork and detain anyone who refuses it?
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People will understand this way of thinking more if these people ever really do start bombing schools and malls. One of two things is going to happen then.... The first is the Government will lock down everything from the internet to the time your allowed to walk the streets at night. The second being that there will be a whole lot of dead innocent people right here on our soil when people start really losing faith in our Government to do anything about the problem and start taking measures in their own hands.
I find it ironic that someone who claims to lean libertarian now wants the government to actively take control of who is racially pure enough to live in "your" country. That IS what this amounts to, y'know. You want "the government" to take care of all those you find undesirable, so you won't have to get your hands dirty. And you want them to take care of you so you won't have to be vigilant and take responsibility for yourself. That's not an anarcho-libertarian value system, it's just plain weakness, cowardice, and laziness on your part.
Also, your argument that this is necessary because internment camps were evil is specious at best. You recognize that the internment camps were evil, but propose that the LESS evil thing to do would be to go them one better, and just jump right on over to deportation. I'm sure you support back-to-Africa movements for blacks, too, right?
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So your "solution" it to just blindly knuckle under to the government and go with whatever they say is easiest, right? Let me guess, they actually sold you on it with that "it's for your own good" line of bullshit.
I have no idea what your talking about here man. There's no way our government today would ever propose any solutions I've suggested. Look around you.... Is even FOX news and that dipshit O'Rielly or even the pill popping Rush so bold as to say these things?
If Imus can't get away with a "nappy-headed-ho" comment, surely suggesting what I am would be a career ending move, politically or otherwise.
So.... you gotta be kidding me.
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And who are these "sheeple" you speak of who are cowering under their beds right now? I mean, besides AuRaptor, I really haven't ever seen anyone who's as terrified of muslims as you seem to think they are.
I mentioned "sheeple" and people who cower under their own beds separately. There are many sheep who leave the bedroom and pretend that it isn't happening and there are sheeple who are oblivious to it happening too. Though the Rethugs have the lock primarily on the hiding-under-the-bed type, the Demons have plenty of sheepish tenancies as well.... but that's another post all to itself.
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Also, how do you weed them out? Do you just walk up and ask them if they're muslim? Do you round up anyone who isn't white? Do you patrol the mosques? Do you serve pork and detain anyone who refuses it?
There is no weeding out. Did I even mention Muslims or the Muslim faith one single time? I said ALL of them... Christians too.
But I'm not going to say anymore about that. I do offer my condolences to them when the innocents have to suffer for the actions of the extremists.
Don't worry... because this is a suggestion that would never come to life in the real world. The government would have far too much to lose by imposing it. The people would have to do it themselves, but to think it or dare suggest it results in a lot of hatered and misunderstanding coming from the other side (and I know that I've crossed the line into extreme "insanity" as based in the real world when Frem is in 100% disagreement with something I say).
I just don't want to see that bloodshed that will inevitably happen when another few smaller "somethings" happen. We'll probably never see something the scale of 9/11 again, at least not in the second wave, but the message delivered will be of tenfold strength next time. These people are not stupid and, having a diploma in social engineering myself, I know a little bit about getting close enough to somebody to get them to think that they're doing what they want to do when they're really doing what you want them to do.
My suggestions are to avoid senseless bloodshed on our own soil, on both sides.
The only way to avoid this happening when those tragic events occur is to impose complete Government control as far as their abilities currently allow them to impose it. (And however they can legislate more Constitutional infringements on liberty in the future, particularly when there exists a filibuster-proof Congress).
I don't want to see either of these things happen to us or them. I truly hope that people who read what I say understand that this is all with the bigger picture in mind and what seems like racist behavioral thought patterns are merely a side effect of what I see the solution as.
I don't want to be hated for my view here.
What if I were to suggest we give them a nice chunk of good land (for real this time, and not the way we screwed the indians) until this shit blows over. I don't think I've ever come off as a racist before. I just don't want to see the end result be a lot of mindless bloodshed or worse yet, a Government which rips up the constitution and imposes invasive behavior on a tyrannical scale by micromanaging of our very lives to prevent the bloodshed from occuring.
You got a better suggestion for all of us cupcake?
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I know they're a bunch of repressive dickheads, Geeze, my POINT is that we really should quit providing them with an *excuse* for it.
And we should start that by developing a negotiation scheme other than pointing a gun at them and demanding they comply.
We did. In 2007 at the Six-Party Talks we agreed to provide them with food and fuel, and they agreed to stop playing with nuclear weapons. That sure worked.
Even if we left them completely alone, they would still be able to manufacture an *excuse* relating to Japan or South Korea. Given the government's control of the media in North Korea, they could probably blame San Marino and most of the population would buy it.
North Korea CAN'T come into the world. They can't allow their people to know what's actually happening. They will manufacture threats, and spread them through their media, even if no threats exist. They need to keep their wall up and prevent any contact with the outside.
BTW, countries other than the U.S. have tried negotiating with North Korea. They get the same broken promises and treaties, and have for years. It's just the way North Korea handles foreign policy.
You know what insanity is, Frem?
Doin the same stupid shit over and over and expecting a different result.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Here's an idea: how's about we DON'T let the government invade our privacy, and if some shithead does get some whimsy to start killing people, we treat them like the common murderer they are.
There's plenty of ways to die in this world, plenty of people who'd like to go crazy and start killing you who aren't islamic, and aren't strictly terrorists. Like corrupt power tripping cops who like to beat on people, or socially maladjusted kids whose parents ought to be tried for gross negligence (sometimes I wish incompetence was a crime), or people who are just psychotic or sadistic. Can't protect against any of them, really, so there's no real need to make any distinctions.
What would really help is if the average population pulled their heads out of their asses, opened their eyes, looked around, and started taking some responsibility for themselves and the people around them, instead of expecting the government (or government policy) to do it for them. You know if the flight instructors had stopped to think for themselves and questioned just what these Saudi nationals were doing wanting to learn how to fly planes, 9-11 might not have happened?
It's in our government's best interests to keep the tragedies coming though, so the population gets more scared and more dependent.
What the population NEEDS is to wake up.
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