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POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 14:44
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Originally posted by Geezer:
North Korea is the crazy neighbor who gets drunk, goes out in the back yard, and starts firing his really huge gun wildly. Kim Jung Il and his pappy have run their economy so far into the ground...
Wait... they're Republicans?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And if you wanna go stupid analogies, in this case America is the nutty militia guy with the HUGE arsenal in his basement whining about some guy way down the block daring to own a .38SPL revolver.
Sorry. Crying "But America does it.", no matter how true or false, doesn't give North Korea a free pass.
What would you do about them, Frem?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
And yet, people keep trying to use the same argument the other way around to defend torture.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Secondly, I would quit denying reality and encourage responsible development in that area, now that folks know they have the capability, fine, dandy, let em know the point is made and THEN point out how much more benefit that material would be as a power plant instead of national dick-waving...
They're not dick-waving, they're advertising. Korea already sells nuclear technology to such wonderful places as Syria and Iran. The Syrian plant Israel destroyed in 2007 was a North Korean design. They'd like to be able to sell bombs and delivery systems too.
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Offer support and trade with other nations in proportional exchange for cutting some civil rights slack to his people...
We (the rest of the world) already trade with North Korea. They trade quite a bit with China and Japan, and even South Korea. We (the U.S. this time) also provide, for free, a large percentage of the food and fuel the country uses.
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Do a little history research into how our original trade "negotiations" have gone off with them, and how we acted about it, and you'll find they got a fairly legit beef about our own behavior as regards the matter, and feeding their paranoia about our intentions is a damn stupid thing to do when you take that into account.
I have done such research and find that every agreement North Korea has made they've broken, every treaty they've signed they repudiated, and none of the promises they've made have ever been kept. Their current government is not controlled by the Party, but by the Generals and Kim. It ain't gonna change. They don't care about improving the country because they can get all they need for themselves through weapons sales, counterfeiting, drug smuggling, etc. As long as they can feed the army and the techs who make the weapons, they don't care if the people starve.
It strikes me as strange that you hate the U.S. government so much that you'd side with a dictatorship that should be the antithesis of all you claim to hold dear.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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We must invade N. Korea, obviously.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Posted by Geezer:
I have done such research and find that every agreement North Korea has made they've broken, every treaty they've signed they repudiated, and none of the promises they've made have ever been kept.
The NERVE! Who the hell do they think they are, AMERICANS?!
Oooohhh - Maybe they're CAPITALISTS!
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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I actually have a friend who's Muslim, and she's normal. Her family fled Iraq when Saddam Hussein came into power.
You can't just send back all middle-easterners or Muslims, because they're different tribes and religious sects (Muslims) or religions (Jewish and Islam) that want to kill each other.
That would work about as well as the way we (America, France, England, and Russia) divided up the Middle East after the World Wars. Which is to say, we didn't respect tribal boundaries (which we promised we would), which caused a whole hell of a lot of friction, and THEN we went and tried to impose our sovereignty over them to keep the peace. So sending back all our refugees would just end up with a lot more conflict and a lot of dead refugees.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
If you stop POKING the puffer-fish, eventually it deflates, yanno.
Cause that's seriously what this guy and his policies put me to mind of, trying to appear bigger and scarier so him and his country don't get swallowed up by a bigger fish, is all.
I was at the library today and picked up Pyongyang: A Journey In North Korea by Guy Delisle, a Canadian animator who lives in France and went to North Korea to have some animation work done. It's an interesting book; a graphic (i.e. illustrated) memoir of his time there.
Here's a little quote to give the flavor of the book.
"After asking two days ago, I'm being taken to visit one of the prides of the nation, the Pyongyang subway. Buried 90 meters underground, the Pyongyang subway can double as a bomb shelter in case of nuclear attack. What better way to cultivate a constant sense of threat? Marble floors, chandeliers, sculpted columns. It's a subterranean palace to the glory of public transit...In a city without electricity to power its traffic lights, the subway tunnels are lit up like Las Vegas. The tour ends at the next station. Our driver picks us up at the exit. I've never met anyone who's seen more than two stations."
He also provides a nicely illustrated breakdown of what happens to the food aid the rest of the world sends, and which feeds up to 1/3 the population.
"In this highly stratified society, the regime uses rationing to consolidate power. A national public distribution system gives citizens portions based on their loyalty and usefulness to the regime.
Useful Population
- The Core
--Party Cadres & Army officers
- The "Lukewarm"
--Skilled workers, soldiers, diplomats (pyongyang residents)
Useless Population (Receiving 250 grams of food a day)
- The Hostile
--Children of dissident parents, political prisoners(appx 200,000),laborers
An additional 5 to 6 million individuals, ignored by the regime, are left to fend for themselves. "
Interesting read.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Hmm, apparently you missed the incidents I was referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Sherman_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_expedition_to_Korea_(1871)
A very inauspicious beginning to our relationship with them, and a history built on that and other such jackassery leads them not to trust us very much.
-F
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I actually have a friend who's Muslim, and she's normal. Her family fled Iraq when Saddam Hussein came into power.
You can't just send back all middle-easterners or Muslims, because they're different tribes and religious sects (Muslims) or religions (Jewish and Islam) that want to kill each other.
That would work about as well as the way we (America, France, England, and Russia) divided up the Middle East after the World Wars. Which is to say, we didn't respect tribal boundaries (which we promised we would), which caused a whole hell of a lot of friction, and THEN we went and tried to impose our sovereignty over them to keep the peace. So sending back all our refugees would just end up with a lot more conflict and a lot of dead refugees.
movie suggestion
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" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I actually have a friend who's Muslim, and she's normal. Her family fled Iraq when Saddam Hussein came into power.
You can't just send back all middle-easterners or Muslims, because they're different tribes and religious sects (Muslims) or religions (Jewish and Islam) that want to kill each other.
That would work about as well as the way we (America, France, England, and Russia) divided up the Middle East after the World Wars. Which is to say, we didn't respect tribal boundaries (which we promised we would), which caused a whole hell of a lot of friction, and THEN we went and tried to impose our sovereignty over them to keep the peace. So sending back all our refugees would just end up with a lot more conflict and a lot of dead refugees.
Not. My. Problem.
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