Ronald Reagan - rot!

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
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THOREAU

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 10:58 PM

"a fellow human being has died"

yeah, that doesn't happen every single second of every day. oh wait, yeah it does. twice, actually, as a very conservative estimate of the average.

we're really not that special.

t

Jayne: "These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."

QUICKSAND

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 11:31 PM

Hmm. Just because the Cold War ended on Reagan's watch doesn't mean it was his fault. If you follow that logic, the 9/11 attacks were Dubya's fault. WHICH IS IT, BITCHES?!! Both or neither, you can't pick and choose!!

Oh, and Al Gore invented the internet.

Look, a man died, and that's tragic. It is. But let's separate the Public Persona from the Private Persona. A famous person is both, simultaneously, whether they're an actor, politician, sports star, or rock star.

If every person posting here had met Reagan at some point in their/his life, they might have found him to be a charming, witty individual. I hear Dubya's quite the card. But in public, and especially in public office, you have a DUTY to serve the best interests of the people, not tax and spend, not to ignore AIDS like it'll go away, and not to "forget" you had conversations with Oliver North about selling weapons to the Iranians. Did the note above talk about how Reagan/Bush put Saddam in power to overthrow the previous regime? Mm-hmm.

I'm sure Reagan the Man was a decent, dedicated, Patriot of a human being. As a President, he was a right bastard, and why are we still talking about this. Don't forget to Vote!!

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RUE

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 4:01 AM

Don't know quite who to thank for being mentally absent during the Reagan years ... what with college tuition being gotten together in tips and hamburgers. Working nights and weekends, and schooling days. It all went by in a blur. And living with a bunch of Canadian wanna-be's on the border and listening to CBC radio. It was like the US was some distant country. Thank god for small favors. (Or maybe thank the god of small things.)

But looking at Reagan's hosannas and his list of 'accomplishments' ... the US still hasn't learned to judge people by what they DO rather than how they SEEM.

As for that person/politician split, not religious, but another one of my favorite quotes (Gospel of Thomas) "Jesus said, 'You have become as the Pharisees. You either love the tree and hate the fruit, or love the fruit and hate the tree.'" Or, to hammer it home in an obvious way, it's all of a piece. Humor and geniality in service of hateful ends ceases to be likeable.

I truly appreciate that Nancy Reagan has come over to the dark side of stem cell research. Not just b/c of Alzheimer's, but also Parkinson's, other dementias, brain injury/spinal cord injury, Type I diabetes etc. I hope she gives the Bush bible-thumping Luddites a run for their money. (Who oddly enough have no Christian issue with war and the death penalty.)

ROCKETJOCK

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:31 AM

Reagan has finally managed to die. This neither canonizes nor demonizes him.

But the magnificent irony of his long slide into Alzheimer's still amazes me.

Here is a man whose teflon coating was, to a large part, enabled by his public image as the doting, slightly fuzzy old Uncle who can't be blamed for his excesses because he's "not quite all there."

And the Gods sent him Alzheimers.

His successor, George Bush the Elder, cancelled the Federal Government's only medicinal cannabis program, cutting off medicine to glaucoma patients nationwide, dooming many of them to eventual blindness.

And the Gods sent him glaucoma.

Maybe Dante had it right; maybe the driving mechanism of the universe is poetic justice.

All that's left for the clinching proof is for Jerry Fallwell to die of HIV...

"You can't enslave a free man. The most you can do is kill him." -- Robert A. Heinlein

CPTCRCKPOT

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by thoreau:
"a fellow human being has died"

yeah, that doesn't happen every single second of every day. oh wait, yeah it does. twice, actually, as a very conservative estimate of the average.

we're really not that special.

I disagree. I think we are all special, seeing as how there is only ever one of any of us. I mourn the passing of any human being, regardless of who they are. Unfortunately, it seems that we have trouble empathizing with our fellow humans. We see those with whom we disagree as "evil", and will take every opportunity to say so. I feel that attacking someone who has just died is very insensitive, and in very poor taste. While I did not agree with everything Reagan did, I feel that now is not the time to be criticizing him. At least let the body get cold before you start cutting into it. Show some respect. After all, how would you feel if someone you knew died, and people immediately started talking about how much they hated that person, and how horrible they think that person was. Wouldn't you find that disrespectful, to say the least? I'm not saying to treat Reagan's death in a special way, but just the opposite. Treat it with the respect that you would show towards the death of anyone you know, or even someone you didn't know. Of course, if we really aren't that special, as you say, perhaps none of us deserves respect, in life or in death.

No matter where you go, there you are

VILAVON

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 2:06 PM

Here you all sit in your tiny little minds. Minds vacant of fact. Minds fed by the history you have either read of been subject to by a liberal slant of the tellers. Ronald Reagan was one of two things. He was either one of the great presidents of the 20th century or he was a bumbling, feeble minded old man. Get someone to make your mind up about that for you. I live in America. When we are attacked, I seldom think "HMMM? What does a bushman in South Africa think about me being bombed?"
Ronald Reagan knew that he was the president of the United States of America and that the USA was a part of a larger world. He came along at a time when he was needed. If you do not believe in providence, you will not follow this line of thought anyway, but if Al Gore were elected instead of George W. Bush, why do you think we would be any safer after 9-11? Would Gore have valiantly deployed troops on 9-12 to rout out the terror masterminds? One would hope so. We don't need to wonder, though. It's been done. Mr. Gore doesn't have to work another day for the rest of his life. Sit at home in Tennessee and enjoy the freedom his former opponent affords him.
To throw daggers at a former president who suffered (Yes. Alzheimer's is REAL torture, unlike having panties strapped to one's head "Experience speaking here") for the last ten years of his life and who did more good than the evil fiction you have been fed is repulsive and tends to undermine the process of cogent debate. When all you have to say about someone amounts to a verbal attack, you have nothing to say. There's a reason it is considered bad form to speak ill of the dead. It is because you appear foolish attacking one who will never strike back.
In future when former President Jimmy Carter, a good man with flawed ideas (That was not an attack) passes away, he will be mourned by me if only because he was the first president I cast my first vote for. I doubt if the conservatives will spend their energies tearing down his legacy.
As the Gipper himself said on his departure. "God bless you. God Bless America."
And thank you for your attention.

Vilavon AKA Claude

HERO

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:06 PM

There is so much hate in this thread. When I heard about President Reagan's passing I did not cheer and gleefully catalogue all this perceived wrongs he has done me. I sat down and cried because a man who meant alot to me and a whole lot of my friends and neighbors here and around the world had died.

I grew up with the Reagan Presidency. To me he was bigger then life. He charted a course through the end of the Cold War that ended not with mutual destruction that many if not most of us believed we'd see in our lifetimes, but with the defeat of our adversary and the proliferation of peace, Democracy, and prosperity on a global scale. I believe we all owe him a debt that cannot be repayed.

Most of you here seem disagree. Fine. But dancing on a man's grave in the very face of those who come to mourn him...thats wrong. You should all be ashamed, but I doubt you even know what shame is.

"In closing, let me thank you, the American people, for giving me the great honor of allowing me to serve as your President. When the Lord calls me home, whenever that may be, I will leave the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future.

I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.

Thank you, my friends." Ronald Reagan, 1994 letter to the American people disclosing his disease.

He thanked his friends, I'm proud to say that I am one.

I close with this final sentiment summing up everything I feel: GOD BLESS PRESIDENT REAGAN and THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT REAGAN.

The rest of you can go to hell.

H

HERO

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:19 PM

"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book."-Ronald Reagan

Bill Clinton Launches Book Tour for 'My Life'
By Andrew Stern

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Former President Bill Clinton (news - web sites) launched his book tour on Thursday, describing his soon-to-be published memoir as being tough on himself rather than on his enemies.

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GHOULMAN

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:27 PM

Some of us disagree that Ronny Raygun was anything but a warmongering puppet president who laughed while his policies killed thousands, created despots, downed democratically elected leaders abroad, and began the militarization of the USA. His record is terrible and the list above barely covers it all.

This is not to dancing on his grave. It's to counterpoint the propoganda that the so called NEWS is pounding out of our TVs. For example; They keep saying silly things like Reagan ended the Cold War. Well he didn't, he just takes credit for it.

Really don't want to go to hell as I'm sure Ronny is there waiting.

KALATHENA

Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Don't know quite who to thank for being mentally absent during the Reagan years ... what with college tuition being gotten together in tips and hamburgers. Working nights and weekends, and schooling days. It all went by in a blur.

Ah yes, the infamous "trickle down" economic model. What Reagan failed to understand is that most people don't appreciate being trickled on.

Dancing on Reagan's grave?!?! No, no, I'm saving that for Fred Phelps.

I am not gleeful that Reagan is dead. But I do completely agree with Ghoulman that the revisionist fiction being spouted as the history of Reagan's presidency is nauseating at best.

Hell? No thanks. I'd rather come back here. It's more interesting.

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