450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
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Originally posted by SignyM:
And I thought I was the only one having problems understanding Finn!
Finn: Is it possible that the problem is YOU? It seems like you don't understand your own points very well!
I think it has more to do with ideology than comprehension, IMHO.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
Isn't this particular sig getting a little old?
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Quote:I’m not assigning any opinion or belief to anyone.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah yes... And here's you, assigning opinions and beliefs to others. Aren't you the one who cries the most about others doing that to you?
Quote:I’ll be sure to do that. But Al Qaeda, like most Islamic terrorist groups, tends to go for far more bloodshed and destruction. The point here that you seem so unable to grasp is that blowing up an abortion clinic is not the same thing as blowing up two of the world’s largest skyscrapers. I’m not misinterpreting anything you’re saying, I’m simply pointing out that Christian fanatics are not comparable to Al Qaeda, a point you don’t seem able to refute.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, be sure and let me know next time Al Qaeda blows up an abortion clinic, okay?
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Whoops! Misread someone's post. Carry on.
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Quote:I’m not sure the British had any more love for the local African population then the Dutch, but I’d agree that the British Empire was a more benevolent empire then most of those that came before it.
Originally posted by rue:
"If they could have they would have completely displaced every culture they encountered with a British one."
But, as colonial powers go, Britain was much better for the natives in South Africa than the Dutch - who called the natives kaffirs (which acquired the local meaning of 'cattle') and instituted apartheid.
Quote:Not as far as I know either. I think I meant to say South Africa, which the British did displace the native population and incorporate as a dominion in the Empire.
Originally posted by rue:
"... South America were all conquered and became territorially part of the British Empire."
Not so far as I know.
Quote:True enough.
Originally posted by rue:
AgentRouka:
"To say they had no concept of law is a little simplistic. They weren't fur-clad savages roaming the forest."
Finn:
"That’s not far removed from the truth."
Even savages roaming the forest have governance.
Quote:Oral tradition does work, but not nicely. To have a feudal system, you have to have some form of accepted law that defines the nobility. Oral tradition doesn’t work so well for establishing who has the right to rule. The Germans did have a ruling class that provided governance for the roaming savages, but the problem is how do you say that Ghunther’s family, for instance, should rule because they are noble, but Otto’s family is not. In a society based on oral tradition, it comes down to Ghunther’s word against Otto’s word. To decide who is right, Ghunther and Otto bludgeon each other until one of them concedes or dies. This is the way pre-Roman German aristocracy was defined. That’s not to mean that hereditary rule didn’t exist, but it only existed when it wasn’t challenged, since only by facing every challenge could a family continue to assert their oral tradition. The result is that Germans fought more between themselves then they did any sort of external threat. As the Germans had more interactions with the Romans, this began to change and by the third or forth century they were organizing themselves into federations of tribes united under a newly formed nobility of Germanic warrior educated by service to the Roman Auxilia.
Originally posted by rue:
"They did not have rule of law. They did not have a written codex of law. There were no ruling families defined by law. The Germans prior to the first century were a very primitive culture. They had no written language.
Nobility requires a certain degree of accepted legal authority. You can’t have nobility in a society were you cannot define a certain family and its lineage, and you cannot do that without a written law and an accepted government to back that law up."
I'm not sure why you think a written codex and a written family record are necessary for rules, hierarchies, rulers, or ruling families. Oral tradition works nicely.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"Oral tradition doesn’t work so well for establishing who has the right to rule."
The Mahabharata and the Ramayana anyone ?
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Seems to me like the Jews existed with oral tradition for a long time before the Old Testament was ever written down too.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Quote:And…? Did you have a point to make?
Originally posted by rue:
"Oral tradition doesn’t work so well for establishing who has the right to rule."
The Mahabharata and the Ramayana anyone ?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:The Germans existed for a long time on oral tradition as well. Many cultures existed before written languages.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Seems to me like the Jews existed with oral tradition for a long time before the Old Testament was ever written down too.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"And…? Did you have a point to make?"
Epic batles, large armies, princes and kings and ruling families - all recounted under the oral traditions of the Mahabharata and the Ramayana.
I suspect it was possible to have an inherited nobility class even without writing !
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FINN: I wonder, having come in later on this part of the thread, what your point is. Are you trying to say the Roman conquest of the Germanic tribes didn't "count" as empire-building because those tribe were so-called barbarians?
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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