Props to Cheney for FINALLY admitting that Bush ordered TORTURE!

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AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:29 PM

While many in official Washington were recovering from Saturday evening’s White House Correspondents Association dinner — where President Barack Obama got off some memorable one-liners and comedian Wanda Sykes took aim at radio talk jock Rush Limbaugh, among others — Cheney gave a lengthy interview to “Face the Nation” on CBS television. The replay of clips from that chat were still reverberating on Monday’s morning shows on CNN, NBC and ABC.

On waterboarding terror suspects, which critics say doesn’t work in getting useful information — aside from it being torture — Cheney disagreed. “Khalid Shaikh Mohammed … an evil, evil man that’s been in our custody since March of ‘03 … did not cooperate fully in terms of interrogations until after waterboarding. Once we went through that process, he produced vast quantities of invaluable information about Al Qaeda.”

Any regrets about his time in the White House? “No regrets. I think it was absolutely the right thing to do. I’m convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives.”

What about the detention center at Guantanamo, which Obama has said will be closed within a year? “We had to have a place, a facility, where we could capture these people and hold them until they were no longer a danger to the United States … we released hundreds already of the less threatening types. About 12 percent of them, nonetheless, went back onto the fight as terrorists. The group that’s left, the 245 or so, these are the worst of the worst.”

And what about Cheney’s Republican Party, now dealing with the defection of high-profile Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania? Should it move to the left to broaden its appeal to voters? “We are what we are. We’re Republicans … I think we win elections when we have good solid conservative principles to run upon and base our policies on those principles.”

If he had to choose between Rush Limbaugh and Colin Powell — the former Secretary of State and former head of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff — Cheney said he’d pick Limbaugh.

“ Well, if I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I’d go with Rush Limbaugh, I think.

I think my take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn’t know he was still a Republican.”

BOUT DAMN TIME, DON'T YA THINK??? Way to go Cheney !!

KWICKO

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:44 PM

So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:48 PM

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I’m convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives.”

I mentally filed this right alongside Iraq's WMD.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

KWICKO

Monday, May 11, 2009 7:58 PM

Signy, don't forget to file away Rappy's praising of torturers as "the good guys", either. I'd say file it under "irony". But filing it under "Rappy's usual stupidity" works, too.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 8:10 PM

kwickie...

If you were any smarter, I'd think of you as a traitor to the USA.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 11, 2009 8:23 PM

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If you were any smarter, I'd think of you as a traitor to the USA.

I'll file THAT under Rappy's fascism.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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If you were any smarter, I'd think of you as a traitor to the USA.
I'll file THAT under Rappy's fascism.

File it anywhere you want, toots. You're even less of a mental giant than Kwickie.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Monday, May 11, 2009 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

So if Cheney says something, it must be true and representative of all Republicans?

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, May 11, 2009 9:36 PM

When I read Props to Cheney,

I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan

Pushed in front of a Cessna... Nice

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 9:48 PM

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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Monday, May 11, 2009 11:36
When I read Props to Cheney,

I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan

Pushed in front of a Cessna... Nice

Yes, I hope Joe Biden gets his face sliced off by a Cessna propeller as well.

Dumbass.

KWICKO

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

So if Cheney says something, it must be true and representative of all Republicans?

You tell me. Are you saying Cheney's wrong? Are you saying Rush is wrong, both for America and for the GOP?

Are you working against them, or are you knuckling under and mumbling to yourself, "well, it's better than the alternative..."?

YOU tell ME whether it's true and representative of all Republicans. So far, I'm not hearing any Republicans out there rebutting Cheney's words.

If I'm wrong, take your party back, and kick idiot assholes like Cheney, Rush, and Rappy to the curb.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

If you were any smarter, I'd think of you as a traitor to the USA.

Rappy,

If you were any dumber, I'd think of you as a waste of DNA.

Oh, wait... too late. I already think of you that way!

KWICKO

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Monday, May 11, 2009 11:36
When I read Props to Cheney,

I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan

Pushed in front of a Cessna... Nice

Yes, I hope Joe Biden gets his face sliced off by a Cessna propeller as well.

Dumbass.

How very... TRAITOROUS of you. You're sitting here hoping that the sitting Vice President is killed, and calling others "traitors" to this country.

How typically Republican of you.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:23 PM

No condemnation of any remark of Cheney dying, but shoe gets put on the other foot ?

Wow. You're so pathetically predictable.

Because you're stupid.

If I'm a waste of DNA, what's that make you ? A waste of space ?

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, May 11, 2009 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Monday, May 11, 2009 11:36
When I read Props to Cheney,

I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan

Pushed in front of a Cessna... Nice

Yes, I hope Joe Biden gets his face sliced off by a Cessna propeller as well.

Dumbass.

How very... TRAITOROUS of you. You're sitting here hoping that the sitting Vice President is killed, and calling others "traitors" to this country.

How typically Republican of you.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Actually don't get me wrong

I dont want to see Cheney dead,

I want to see him tried and found guilty at the Hague, then locked away for what ever remains of his miserable life as a warning to the rest of the assholes across the globe who agree with his brand of bullshit,

and that would include you Rap

But if he walked into a prop, or had a hunting accident... I would laugh for hours none the less.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:01 PM

Gino,

You're not 1/2 the man to even think of doing that sort of shit, to Cheney or to me, so just stick that thumb up your arse and sit on it.

Besides, Cheney is the good guy. You wanting to vilify him makes you on par w/ the terrorists. Go fuck yourself.

KIRKULES

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:01 PM

After the next big terrorist attack everyone will be wishing we still had a great leader like Cheney in a in position of power. I really miss having grownups in the White House.

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I really miss having grownups in the White House.

Truer words were never typed here.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 PM

Auraptor = Operative

I bet if I waterborded Auraptor 183 times per month, he'd confess to anything and everything. Unless he were one of the dozens drowned by waterboarding, of course.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/04/183-waterboards-per-prisoner
-for-false.html

Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

FBI and Kosher Congress say jew Adam Gadahn Perlam runs AllCIAduh
www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm
www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

Bin Laden says he's innocent on 9-11:

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST
www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Google Operation Northwoods and USS Liberty, if you dare...

SIGNYM

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:09 PM

You all would have called Ben Franklin un-American and immature! He had something to say about liberty and safety... Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Since Cheney stomped all over the Constitution, I think he belongs in that category. You guys... are all cowards.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:30 PM

Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 11, 2009 11:34 PM

Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'. Like so many have, when endlessly talking about such issues, over and over and over and over. Folks confused Iraq and Vietnam, because the Left interjected the Vietnam war endlessly into the dialog of Iraq, over and over and over again.

As River would say -

" You're such a boob " , and then she'd kill you with her brain.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:00 AM

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Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.

He WOULD however have problems with torture and widespread spying on American citizens.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.
He WOULD however have problems with torture and widespread spying on American citizens.

Yeah ? Glad we didn't do any of that then.

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Gino,

You're not 1/2 the man to even think of doing that sort of shit, to Cheney or to me, so just stick that thumb up your arse and sit on it.

Oh no, Gino - the internet hard man is gonna get you! RUN! If you're not careful, he might threaten to meet you somewhere to do something about it. As long as it's not too far from his mom's basement, that is.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:41 AM

kwickie

we know you lust for a hard man. Just go watch Rachel Maddow, and keep your comments to yourself.

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:28 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Gino,

You're not 1/2 the man to even think of doing that sort of shit, to Cheney or to me, so just stick that thumb up your arse and sit on it.

Oh no, Gino - the internet hard man is gonna get you! RUN! If you're not careful, he might threaten to meet you somewhere to do something about it. As long as it's not too far from his mom's basement, that is.

LMAO

One thing I did notice, until the TORTURE memos were made public, we didn't hear much from Cheney and Rice, etc

Running scared I guess, having to try and justify their crimes to the public now they have been outed.

As for Rap...

Sad little King of a sad little hill

He isn't looking to convince anyone he is right, or even properly debate the issue... He just wants to beat his chest and cry I'm right because I say so. Likely he is much more amicable in person, most internet mouth pieces are.

Has to compensate somehow

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:36 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'. Like so many have, when endlessly talking about such issues, over and over and over and over.

Of coarse, that is why the US invaded Iraq, Cheney was confused, and Bush was still working on that pet goat book...

Sounds about as sane as any of dozen or so other stories you have claimed as the truth

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:39 AM

You mean until SELECTED PORTIONS of the interrogation memos were released.....

Cheney is right, in asking they all be released, or none.

Speaking of being a internet loud mouth, you're the one making asinine claims of waterboarding Cheney or me, simply for wanting to do the right thing. Another 9/11 was averted, maybe more than one,and you are off on some ridiculous politically motivated pissing contest over what is or isn't " torture ". I'd be funny if 3000 lives were snuffed out one day in Sept.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:43 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'. Like so many have, when endlessly talking about such issues, over and over and over and over.

Of coarse, that is why the US invaded Iraq, Cheney was confused, and Bush was still working on that pet goat book...

Sounds about as sane as any of dozen or so other stories you have claimed as the truth

Wow. You're a complete tool. The stupid ass video, and the whole POINT being made in the 1st place, was how Cheney was explaining how Saddam WASN'T connected w/ 9/11, that they could prove.

I've never claimed " a dozen stories " per Iraq as the truth, moron. Only one. Get your fucking lies straight, dick head.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:19 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.

Actually he had some less than polite words for shitheads like you, Rappy.

"If an Indian injures me, does it follow that I may revenge that Injury on all Indians? It is well known that Indians are of different Tribes, Nations and Languages, as well as the White People. In Europe, if the French, who are White People, should injure the Dutch, are they to revenge it on the English, because they too are White People? The only Crime of these poor Wretches seems to have been, that they had a reddish brown Skin, and black Hair; and some People of that Sort, it seems, had murdered some of our Relations. If it be right to kill Men for such a Reason, then, should any Man, with a freckled Face and red Hair, kill a Wife or Child of mine, it would be right for me to revenge it, by killing all the freckled red-haired Men, Women and Children, I could afterwards any where meet with."
http://www.historycarper.com/resources/twobf3/massacre.htm

Now you and Hamilton, or better, John Adams would have got on quite well, that whole Alien and Sedition Act bullshit is just your facist style and taste, on the other hand.

And some day down the line, future generations will look at you and the folks you supported with the same quiet disgust as they do Adams and McCarthy.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:42 AM

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed testified he gave false confessions due to being waterboarded 183 times per month, among other tortures. Which is the only reason torture is used.

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Here's what KSM told the Red Cross at Gitmo:

"During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told the interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the U.S."

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/05/during-my-interrogation-
i-gave-lot-of.html

The FBI already confessed to bombing WTC 1993 for jews Billary Clinton, as testified by FBI employees in fed court, in 100 hours of audiotapes, as published in NY Times. FBI built the bomb, ordered the bombing to take place, and paid the bomber $1-million with immunity from prosecution.
www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtcbomb.html

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'.

Of coarse, that is why the US invaded Iraq, Cheney was confused, and Bush was still working on that pet goat book...

Wow. You're a complete tool. The stupid ass video, and the whole POINT being made in the 1st place, was how Cheney was explaining how Saddam WASN'T connected w/ 9/11, that they could prove.

Jew Tony Snow put lies in lyin Cheney's mouth about their buddy Saddam in that interview. That got Tony promoted to White House Liar, where he got cancered and his hair turned white.

Quote:
Freudian slip
noun (in Freudian psychology) an inadvertent mistake in speech or writing that is thought to reveal a person's unconscious motives, wishes, or attitudes. Compare parapraxis.
-Random House Dictionary

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
—Governor George W Bush, November 2000

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

"'We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,' Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events 'swung American public opinion in our favor.'"
-Haaretz, Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel, 16 April 2008
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

FBI will pay you $1-million reward to arrest this American jew in AllCIAduh

"The FBI added Adam Gadahn to the Most Wanted Terrorist list and the U.S. State Department is offering a reward up to $1 million for his arrest. A 28-year-old California man has been indicted on federal charges of treason and providing material support to a terrorist group for making a series of propaganda videotapes for al Qaeda, including one in which he praised the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks. 'Adam Gadahn represents a new breed of home-grown extremist,

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

So when AuRaptor points out that Dick Cheney said that he thought Rush was more Republican than one single other liberal person, you lay claim that AuRaptor has proclaimed Rush the Leader Of The GOP.
Every once in a while when I forget whether you are delusional, I can stop in here and find you making it clear all over again.

So, umm, along those lines:
Did everybody see where Kwicko said Obama is his gay butt-buddy, and the dumbest President ever?

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:58 AM

Sorry Frem, Ben's words don't apply to me. Back in the day, we took care of those who would attack us, and we didn't fret or whine about it like you pansies are doing today.

What's amazing is that, even after 9/11, slugs like you still try to paint the U.S. as the bad guy here, even after all those innocent people were killed.

Truly delusional, you are.

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry Frem, Ben's words don't apply to me. Back in the day, we took care of those who would attack us, and we didn't fret or whine about it like you pansies are doing today.

What's amazing is that, even after 9/11, slugs like you still try to paint the U.S. as the bad guy here, even after all those innocent people were killed.

Truly delusional, you are.

Not assigning any roles here. But. Being terribly, terribly wronged does not necessarily justify all actions before or after being wronged.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:35 AM

If the Republican Party has any hopes of making any sort of "comeback", it must dis-associate from Cheney once and for all. Ideology aside, Cheney represents negative imagery for women, minorities, and everyone else who's not a Limbaugh lemming. I really don't like Colin Powell or John McCain's daughter that much, but there is truth to their messages. Republicans have to embrace the "middle", or even a bit left of the middle if they ever want to win elections again. The number one priority of any political party is to win, and taking hard-line Conservative positions will not win a general election. It's not 1980,there simply are not the demographics any more to support that traditional platform. Guys like Cheney and Limbaugh are living in the past...pre-cable, pre-internet, pre-gay rights, pre-illegal Mexican, pre-McCain, and it shows. All Cheney does is send people screaming out of the room. The necessity and results of waterboarding and harsh interrogation can and will be debated for a long time, but in the mean time, Republicans are not gaining ANY poll points by throwing Cheney and Limbaugh out to the public for explanations of actions and positions. To me it just looks like the same old shit that has cost us the last two elections, and it's a little too late for these pathetic public-image mea culpa therapy sessions.

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You mean until SELECTED PORTIONS of the interrogation memos were released.....

Cheney is right, in asking they all be released, or none.

Speaking of being a internet loud mouth, you're the one making asinine claims of waterboarding Cheney or me, simply for wanting to do the right thing. Another 9/11 was averted, maybe more than one,and you are off on some ridiculous politically motivated pissing contest over what is or isn't " torture ". I'd be funny if 3000 lives were snuffed out one day in Sept.

Speaking of making no sense whatsoever...

It's funny to watch your delusions grow, in a sad kind of way. You've gone from "we might have gotten info" to "we got actionable intel" to "we prevented another attack" to "another 9/11 was averted" - and you've never provided ANY evidence to back up any single one of those claims. It's like you have to keep increasing the size of the lie, because people keep calling you on your lies.

As for that other thing, I don't know why you're laughing about 3000 people being killed, but apparently YOU find it funny. Maybe. It's impossible to figure out what the hell you "clearly" mean by that statement.

As for Cheney and releasing all or none of the memos, life's a bitch, ain't it? I seem to recall a time when Dickless was out in front, defending the right of the President to classify or de-classify intel as he saw fit, and then putting it all down to executive privilege. But I guess now he's in favor of curbing that power, since he know longer has it.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I've never claimed " a dozen stories " per Iraq as the truth, moron. Only one.

And which one was that? Refresh our memories. What was THE story behind Iraq?

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

So when AuRaptor points out that Dick Cheney said that he thought Rush was more Republican than one single other liberal person, you lay claim that AuRaptor has proclaimed Rush the Leader Of The GOP.
Every once in a while when I forget whether you are delusional, I can stop in here and find you making it clear all over again.

So, umm, along those lines:
Did everybody see where Kwicko said Obama is his gay butt-buddy, and the dumbest President ever?

Of course, I've never forgotten whether YOU are delusional, JSF. I've also never forgotten just exactly whose sock-puppet you are, speaking of butt-buddies. Guess Rappy's hand fits up your ass just fine, eh?

And did everybody see where JSF said he needs a towel to wipe off his chin after his meeting with Cheney and Rush?

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry Frem, Ben's words don't apply to me. Back in the day, we took care of those who would attack us, and we didn't fret or whine about it like you pansies are doing today.

What's amazing is that, even after 9/11, slugs like you still try to paint the U.S. as the bad guy here, even after all those innocent people were killed.

Truly delusional, you are.

Yeah, ol' Ben's words don't apply to Rappy, because he's so much better than Franklin, dontcha know. 'Course, "back in the day" we tended to wipe out everyone even remotely resembling those who would attack us, as Franklin warns us.

What's amazing is that slugs like you still try to paint the U.S. as pure innocence, even after all those innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan were killed.

Truly stupid, you are.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If the Republican Party has any hopes of making any sort of "comeback", it must dis-associate from Cheney once and for all. Ideology aside, Cheney represents negative imagery for women, minorities, and everyone else who's not a Limbaugh lemming. I really don't like Colin Powell or John McCain's daughter that much, but there is truth to their messages. Republicans have to embrace the "middle", or even a bit left of the middle if they ever want to win elections again. The number one priority of any political party is to win, and taking hard-line Conservative positions will not win a general election. It's not 1980,there simply are not the demographics any more to support that traditional platform. Guys like Cheney and Limbaugh are living in the past...pre-cable, pre-internet, pre-gay rights, pre-illegal Mexican, pre-McCain, and it shows. All Cheney does is send people screaming out of the room. The necessity and results of waterboarding and harsh interrogation can and will be debated for a long time, but in the mean time, Republicans are not gaining ANY poll points by throwing Cheney and Limbaugh out to the public for explanations of actions and positions. To me it just looks like the same old shit that has cost us the last two elections, and it's a little too late for these pathetic public-image mea culpa therapy sessions.

Thanks for that, Jong. I once again find myself agreeing with you.

The GOP could do a whole hell of a lot worse than Colin Powell, yet some here want to toss him aside as a "liberal". Well, if that's the case, I'm sure the left would be glad to have him.

As for lining up behind the likes of Cheney and Limbaugh, what can I say? It's just what we hoped they would do, and they've played right into it.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:42 PM

Jong,

If the GOP is going to survive, it'll have to go far, FAR further toward the right. Reaching out to the middle and trying to fill the vacuum left by the Dems, who have lurched far FAR to the Left isn't the answer.

John McCain showed that.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:45 PM

kwickie,

Bush wasn't playing politics w/ national security, like Obama is CLEARLY doing. I suspect you know this, but are too much of a chicken shit to admit to it.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jong,

If the GOP is going to survive, it'll have to go far, FAR further toward the right. Reaching out to the middle and trying to fill the vacuum left by the Dems, who have lurched far FAR to the Left isn't the answer.

John McCain showed that.

I could not disagree more. Who ya gonna get way out there on the right? A few John Birchers, or perhaps the Grand Wizard of the KKK? Look around dude, America is full of people who will never embrace hard-core Right policies. Students, Blacks, Gays, Hispanics...Like it or not, that's the American Demographic now. McCain lost not because he was not a "true" Conservative, he lost because he was a lousy campaigner. He lost because he had no clear message. He couldn't raise any money. He waffled, his obsession with being a like-me whore put him in the worst possible media spotlights. He was awful, just dismal, during the debates, the ONE time he had chances to outshine Obama without his teleprompter, and he blew it big time. And then McCain's stunt of flying back to DC to address the financial crisis was another opportunity blown due to McCain's self-destructive-by-stupidity personna.

So don't give me this McCain/liberal thing as an excuse for Republicans to EVEN FURTHER crawl back into their turtle-shell of core Right-wing ideology, 'cause I'm not buying it. Neither will the American voters.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:09 PM

It makes it so much easier when they line up in nice, neat, orderly little rows.

To be tipped over like, yanno, dominos...

-F

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

If the GOP is going to survive, it'll have to go far, FAR further toward the right. Reaching out to the middle and trying to fill the vacuum left by the Dems, who have lurched far FAR to the Left isn't the answer.

Last Election :

Some interesting facts concerning the 2008 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 21 - Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 - Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million - Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 - Republicans: 2.1

"In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
AND Obama is only creating more OF THESE DEPENDENT people to vote in perpetual necessity for Liberals.

Republicans already have the voter support of the traditional base. We need some of those minorities, and Gays, and old Reagan Democrats back to win anything. And maybe get even some from Academia and the Media on our side as well. But to do that the Party has to change, open up to all types, and find a way to articulate sound, yet popular positions.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:32 PM

Last time I checked, square miles don't vote.

If the GOP doesn't get a grip on ILLEGAL immigration, excessive spending by the Federal Gov't, and a few other key issues, then this country will be lost, forever.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Last time I checked, square miles don't vote.

If the GOP doesn't get a grip on ILLEGAL immigration, excessive spending by the Federal Gov't, and a few other key issues, then this country will be lost, forever.

Don't count on that any time soon. GOP/Bush had 8 years to do something about illegal immigration. After 911, with full support of all, they did nothing. Ooops, I forgot the McCain/Kennedy plan, supported by Bush, but which was abhorred by everyone else and easily defeated. I support a huge effort to reach out to Hispanics, who voted for Bush much more than they did for McCain. We lost their votes, we lost the Moderates, and fell to miniscule numbers of Blacks. Seems like the only one McCain had any appeal to was Sean Hannity, and all his bloviating didn't do squat for the election. Maybe the fact that he regularly trashed McCain prior to the nomination, came off as a bit hypocritical to fair-minded people. Also, isn't it about time that the retarded Republicans learn how to deal with the hostile Press? For 8 years they just sat there like crusted dung on your farm boots, barely ever challenging the dishonest media, rarely ever defending their President in the face of daily vicous attacks, ie, a complete abandonment of the leader of their Party. Now they are ALL so fucking marginalized, demeaned, and demonized, you tell me how they come back? How do you re-build a public image so destroyed? How? Who? What forum? What newspaper? What major network? Don't say Fox...'aint nearly enough to do the job. Also, maybe, just maybe, the next VP choice should be vetted a tad to make sure there are no videos out there of her with faith-healing snake charming nutjobs. And a basic, 9th grade knowledge of the world might be helpful as well for a VP candidate.

RIPWASH

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:18 PM

While I would agree that th GOP lost some of those votes, I don't think the solution is to go running after them. That shows no backbone. The key, IMHO, would be to lure them back by admitting past mistakes(if any ), apologize for losing touch, making the CORE principals of the party more alluring and sticking by them.

I've heard it said that politics is like a pendulum and the last election was a great depiction of this. Bush and Co. "stayed the course" to such a degree that it upset a lot of people. They were pushing that pendulum and holding it to the right. Election time came and the pendulum swung pretty far left (Obama campaigned as a centrist, but let's face it . . . he's not). If Obama and the Dems keep pushing the Pendulum farther to the left, sooner or later it's going to swing back to the right and swing back pretty hard.

Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
While I would agree that th GOP lost some of those votes, I don't think the solution is to go running after them.

Why not? Votes are votes.

Quote:
That shows no backbone.

When did the GOP ever have one?

Quote:
The key, IMHO, would be to lure them back by admitting past mistakes(if any ), apologize for losing touch, making the CORE principals of the party more alluring and sticking by them.

I'm Ok with that.

Quote:
I've heard it said that politics is like a pendulum and the last election was a great depiction of this. it . . . he's not).
If Obama and the Dems keep pushing the Pendulum farther to the left, sooner or later it's going to swing back to the right and swing back pretty hard.

OK, BUT who's gonna even know that? WHo's gonna know if the ecomony gets worse? WHo's gonna know about all the debt and wasteful liberal spending? You think the Media is gonna tell folks that? They have their script, and they're stickin' to it.

RIPWASH

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
BUT who's gonna even know that? WHo's gonna know if the ecomony gets worse? WHo's gonna know about all the debt and wasteful liberal spending? You think the Media is gonna tell folks that? They have their script, and they're stickin' to it.

Right now, there are two sides to this. The Left thinks the media slants Right and vice versa. There will NEVER be any pleasing of anyone on this issue unless the media actually gets a backbone of their own and start reporting from the actual center. Until that that time, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:58 PM

I think Repubclians should hang onto their core values-

Illegal immigration (good for big business)
War profiteering (good for big business)
Torture, warrantless wiretapping, and no habeas corpus (good for big goverment)
Encouraging bad banking practices and credit-card gouging (good for big business)
Cutting taxes (good for deficit spending)
Throwing money at the rich (good for big business)
Throwing money at the pharmas (good for big business)

Yanno, they shit on peeps morning noon and night, and once every four years they drag out some delusional poor sod like Joe the Plumber (who, it seems might leave the GOP) for some faux populism. Perosanlly, I think the Repubs should stick with that winning strategy.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

RIPWASH

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:07 PM

Illegal immigration is more of a PLUS in the Democratic column. More people they can con into voting for them, the better

War Profiteering done under both parties, I beleive

Torture, etc . . . . wiretapping especially, done under both parties.

Encouraging bad banking practices . . . you mean like under the Clinton Administration with encouraging banks to extend loans to folks they wouldn't have given loans to in the first place?

Cutting taxes . . . I sure would like to pay less taxes, wouldn't you?

Throwing money at the rich - Dems have enough rich people on their side, too, yanno.

Throwing money at pharma - even Rue admitted (ir at least indicated) that government money-throwing at pharma is a good idea under nationalized healthcare.

Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Yanno, they shit on peeps morning noon and night, and once every four years they drag out some delusional poor sod like Joe the Plumber (who, it seems might leave the GOP) for some faux populism. Perosanlly, I think the Repubs should stick with that winning strategy.

Yanno, Joe The Plumber was just a guy who lived in the house where Obama was doing one of his walking tours. He raised a real concern for many Americans, namely income re-distribution, which sounds a lot like (to us rednecks) socialism. You Dems made such a fuss over him, having him investigated and all, that he became a pseudo-hero for the Right. Too bad he turned out to be a first-class moron, an idiot who cannot articulate a cogent thought. Too bad the fucking retards running McCain's freak show campaign chose to run with Joe The Plumber as some sort of person to rally around.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:15 PM

Sig, you continue to have exactly perfectly bacwards. The LEFT wants:
Illegal immigration, to stuff the ballot boxes and hoer inflate the welfare state.

Stealing from the producers to give to the slackers, whose only " job " is to vote for big gov't , Alliance loving, scum into office.

Giving more rights to the low life animals who want to slaughter us for not believing in their made up bullshit of a religion.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
this country will be lost, forever.

Just see me!
(Map To The Stars Chrissy)

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig, you continue to have exactly perfectly bacwards. The LEFT wants:
Illegal immigration, to stuff the ballot boxes and hoer inflate the welfare state.

To WHAT?!

Also, can someone please explain to me how all these illegals are supposedly "voting"? And is illegal immigration more prevalent now than it was 8, 12, 16, 20, or 24 years ago?

Quote:

Stealing from the producers to give to the slackers, whose only " job " is to vote for big gov't , Alliance loving, scum into office.

Two things:

1) I had no idea you were actually in public office. So THAT's how you did it - you were backed by the Alliance-loving scum vote! Figures, since you're such an Alliance-loving scumbag authoritarian yourself...

2) Are you talking about stealing from people like me, who work 40+ hours a week to "give" to people whose only "job" is going to board meetings and golf vacations? 'Cause I really do hate that brand of socialism...

Quote:

Giving more rights to the low life animals who want to slaughter us for not believing in their made up bullshit of a religion.

I'm with you on that one. I think the christians in this country have far too much power already - we sure as hell don't need to give them the power to torture on top of that, just because of their made-up bullshit of a religion.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
this country will be lost, forever.
Just see me!
(Map To The Stars Chrissy)

The laughing Chrisisall

Our nation won't truly be lost until everyone has a GPS unit.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:31 PM

Quote:
Illegal immigration is more of a PLUS in the Democratic column. More people they can con into voting for them, the better

Because illegal immigrants form such a large part of the vote?

Quote:
War Profiteering done under both parties, I beleive

Not really. Have you SEEN Halliburton's stock prices under Bush?

Quote:
Torture, etc . . . . wiretapping especially, done under both parties.

No.

Quote:
Encouraging bad banking practices . . . you mean like under the Clinton Administration with encouraging banks to extend loans to folks they wouldn't have given loans to in the first place?

Didn't happen. If you have evidence otherwise, bring it to the table. 'Cause rappy- who keeps making the same claim- has never been able to back it up!

Quote:
Cutting taxes . . . I sure would like to pay less taxes, wouldn't you?

It depends on what the taxes are spent on. I would willingly spend more if our government would get out of the empire business and focus on meeting our national needs.

Quote:
Throwing money at the rich - Dems have enough rich people on their side, too, yanno.

Unfortunately, too true: they tend to be just as heavily involved with banksters as the Repubs.

Quote:
Throwing money at pharma - even Rue admitted (or at least indicated) that government money-throwing at pharma is a good idea under nationalized healthcare.

There is a difference between throwing money at the pharmas and spending wisely. Bush forbidding the government to negotiate for better prices for Medicare Rx coverage... that's throwing money at the pharmas (Just like Obama is throwing $ at the banks.)

Quote:
Too bad he turned out to be a first-class moron, an idiot who cannot articulate a cogent thought. Too bad the fucking retards running McCain's freak show campaign chose to run with Joe The Plumber as some sort of person to rally around.

Palin? Same deal. I think the problem with the repub party is that they ARE trying to appeal to a bunch of no-neck know-nothings, and that is EXACTLY why they picked Joe and Sarah. But, if you need know-nothings to support your platform... what does that say about your platform?

Quote:
Stealing from the producers to give to the slackers, whose only " job " is to vote for big gov't , Alliance loving, scum into office.

The "producers" are the people who actually- yanno- produce something. Not speculators and CEOs whose only function, it seems, is to gouge the producers as much as possible.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:10 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Encouraging bad banking practices . . . you mean like under the Clinton Administration with encouraging banks to extend loans to folks they wouldn't have given loans to in the first place?

Didn't happen. If you have evidence otherwise, bring it to the table. 'Cause rappy- who keeps making the same claim- has never been able to back it up!

Backed it up several times, but you simply ignore it, so I don't even bother.

" You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but you can't make them THINK ! "

RUE

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:17 PM

How about you refresh our memories and provide proof with links to actual FACTS (and not your famous brand of RapFacts™) ?

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:13 PM

Quote:
Backed it up several times, but you simply ignore it, so I don't even bother.

You quoted Dodd or Frank saying blah-blah-blah... at a time when neither of them had any power. You quote the WSJ saying blah-blah-blah. All opinion. But you have not been able to show a single memo, nor a pattern of loan-making, nor a government regulation, nor a single instance of ANY bad loan being "forced" on banks that they didn't eagerly create themselves.

When did this happen? What dollar amounts were involved? What banks? Who was twisting the banks' arms? How did they do it? What memos, regulations, enforcement actions, or lawsuits were involved?

People IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY, here on this very board and elsewhere, have said that no such thing happened. Don't you think THE BANKS THEMSELVES- like Cuntrywide, Shittybank and Skank of America would be the first to blame to government for their perilous state IF THEY COULD????

All you keep doing is repeating the same stupid internet rumor over and over. As far as I'm concerned it will never be anything but an internet rumor unless you come up with actual FACTS: instances, examples, accounts, regulations etc. which prove your case. Not the same old blah-blah-blah opinion-pieces that you keep citing.

Oh, and BTW- it would be helpful to all concerned if you did eventually figure out there IS a difference between fact and opinion.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
How about you refresh our memories and provide proof with links to actual FACTS (and not your famous brand of RapFacts™) ?

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Silence is consent.

As early as 2002, Bush was warning that there could be problems.

And it all comes together, here

RUE

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:38 PM

And the repubican party that was IN CONTROL OF CONGRESS has no part in any of it at all ?

These are just more RapFacts™, your personal delusions beyond any shred of credibility.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:50 PM

Don't you think THE BANKS THEMSELVES- like Cuntrywide, Shittybank and Skank of America would be the first to blame to government for their perilous state IF THEY COULD????

Gosh rappy, maybe you should work for the banks! You're willing to make shit up... shit even THEY don't have the balls to peddle... just to shift blame to the Dems!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

ALIASSE

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:53 PM

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
And the repubican party that was IN CONTROL OF CONGRESS has no part in any of it at all ?

These are just more RapFacts™, your personal delusions beyond any shred of credibility.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

In control, by only the slimmest of margins. There were obviously turn coats and cowards in the party ( Arlen Specter ? ) who played along w/ the Dems to get votes.

rue, kwickie, these are absolute, undeniable FACTS. You cannot dismiss them simply because they don't jive w/ your Left wing , NPR world view.

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:05 PM

Quote:

rue, kwickie, these are absolute, undeniable FACTS. You cannot dismiss them simply because they don't jive w/ your Left wing , NPR world view.

"Undeniable FACTS" that you can't provide reputable cites for. Yes, I can dismiss them, because they're nothing more than your usual brand of pure partisan hogwash and bullshit. You accept them as "facts" because they jibe (look it up) with your right wing FauxNews world view.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:21 AM

Quote:
There were obviously turn coats and cowards in the party who played along w/ the Dems to get votes.

Ah.... so it was the fault of those turncoat, cowardly Republicans, huh?

Well, why didn't you just say so?!?

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
There were obviously turn coats and cowards in the party who played along w/ the Dems to get votes.
Ah.... so it was the fault of those turncoat, cowardly Republicans, huh?

Well, why didn't you just say so?!?

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

Rappy will accuse you of twisting his words and taking them out of context in 5... 4... 3... 2...

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:49 AM

Or else he'll bail in 4.... 3.... 2....

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:18 AM

I guess talking about oral sex was more interesting than talking about turncoat cowardly Republicans!

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38260

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Ah.... so it was the fault of those turncoat, cowardly Republicans, huh?

Well, why didn't you just say so?!?

They played their role in this whole mess, there's no denying that. Which is why the party is in such shambles. They tried to be Dem - lite, and look where it's gotten them.

Just because the GOP leadership is in major suck mode doesn't mean I have to give up my core political beliefs. In fact, it means I need to step it up more. And that's why Cheney is so right. Limbaugh, and not Powell or McCain, is more in line w/ what American conservatives need to listen to, if there's any hope in salvaging this nation.

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just because the GOP leadership is in major suck mode doesn't mean I have to give up my core political beliefs. In fact, it means I need to step it up more. And that's why Cheney is so right. Limbaugh, and not Powell or McCain, is more in line w/ what American conservatives need to listen to, if there's any hope in salvaging this nation.

Seems you've changed your tune in the last few months...

Quote:
AuRaptor also wrote:

McCain just won the election. Game over !

And you seemed like such a loyal McCain supporter back then!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

RUE

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:47 AM

" In fact, it means I need to step it up more. And that's why Cheney is so right. Limbaugh, and not Powell or McCain, is more in line w/ what American conservatives need to listen to, if there's any hope in salvaging this nation."

You go, girl ! Just keep on at it ! It'll pay off, I swear !

***************************************************************

And don't forget - Obama is an alien Muslim communist activist Christian who was born in Kenya and who also lost his US citizenship in Indonesia, and his birth certificate was faked by a vast conspiracy aimed at getting a Kenyan Indonesian in the US WH for the last 40 years.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Seems you've changed your tune in the last few months...

Quote:
AuRaptor also wrote:

McCain just won the election. Game over !

And you seemed like such a loyal McCain supporter back then!

Clearly, I lied.

McCain was / is / always will be a better choice than Obama. But that he lost to such a empty suit, and the mistakes in how he ran his campaign, clearly shows he wasn't what was needed to win.

How much time did you waste tracking down that post ? Seriously.

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:47 AM

Quote:

How much time did you waste tracking down that post ? Seriously.

Less than five minutes. Seriously.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Last time I checked, square miles don't vote.

If the GOP doesn't get a grip on ILLEGAL immigration, excessive spending by the Federal Gov't, and a few other key issues, then this country will be lost, forever.

Don't count on that any time soon. GOP/Bush had 8 years to do something about illegal immigration. After 911, with full support of all, they did nothing. Ooops, I forgot the McCain/Kennedy plan, supported by Bush, but which was abhorred by everyone else and easily defeated. I support a huge effort to reach out to Hispanics, who voted for Bush much more than they did for McCain. We lost their votes, we lost the Moderates, and fell to miniscule numbers of Blacks. Seems like the only one McCain had any appeal to was Sean Hannity, and all his bloviating didn't do squat for the election. Maybe the fact that he regularly trashed McCain prior to the nomination, came off as a bit hypocritical to fair-minded people. Also, isn't it about time that the retarded Republicans learn how to deal with the hostile Press? For 8 years they just sat there like crusted dung on your farm boots, barely ever challenging the dishonest media, rarely ever defending their President in the face of daily vicous attacks, ie, a complete abandonment of the leader of their Party.

Assuming Hispanics to be liberals may be a fragile argument. Although the illegal aliens do vote liberal because most criminals are Democrats, the Hispanic population has a very conservative, religious base. They are heavily weighted towards Catholicism. This would be in favor o the GOP.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:29 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Assuming Hispanics to be liberals may be a fragile argument. Although the illegal aliens do vote liberal because most criminals are Democrats, the Hispanic population has a very conservative, religious base. They are heavily weighted towards Catholicism. This would be in favor o the GOP.

Things don't always pan out the way they appear. Many blacks actually agree w/ such things as school vouchers and gay marriage. ( Most being for the former, against the latter ) Yet usually 90% vote Democrat.