The downfall of the right
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 17:08
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Thinking about the right-wing- especially the braying asses and their followers: Kudlow, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al... it occurred to me... left-wingers don't have to pay TOO much attention to them.
Why?
I realized that the right-wing actively dismisses reality, and people who have learned from it: Joe Wilson, who sheltered hundreds of people in his embassy under hostile circumstances, and Robert Baer, who oversaw many torture sessions and was himself tortured. Roubini, who predicted the economic collapse. and the vast majority of climatologists who say that global warming is real, man-made, and threatening. Instead, they cling to proud and avowed know-nothings: Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and John Hagee.
I see the republican party imploding into fantasy- which would be a shame, if I had any emotional attachment to it, but I don't. In the short run it can create some damage, but in the long run they'll do something equivalently stupid to invading Russia in winter and then they'll be gone. I hope to use the remainder of my time here learning from people who've experienced a lot, who've learned things, and who think clearly. As for the others... I believe they're irrelevant to the course of history.
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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Along those lines, I JUST found an interesting article. In that article is a link to one of those many surveys which attempt to portray where people stand, relative to each other and to groups.
The article says somewhat the same as "The Authoritarians" but differs from the book in that THIS author views authoritarianism as a valid moral impulse which holds groups together. If you don't want to read the whole article- and I think you should- here are the (IMHO) essential quotes:
Quote:I have a problem with his viewpoint. While human society is a large force in human evolution, it isn't the ONLY force. Humans also have to respond to the (non-human) environment... a group which engages fully in destructive group-think is a group which disappears. So from an evolutionary standpoint I think he's on the right track- but missing a big-ticket item. And in times of environmental or external stressors- such as now- groupthink may be less important than clearthink. Anyway, to continue...
Agreeing with evolutionary theorist James Q. Wilson, he concluded that any full view of the origins of human morality would have to take into account not only culture (as analyzed by anthropologists) but also evolution. He reasoned it was highly unlikely humans would care so much about morality unless moral instincts and emotions had become a part of human nature. He began to suspect that morality evolved not just to help individuals as they competed and cooperated with other individuals, but also to help groups as they competed and cooperated with other groups. Morality is not just about how we treat each other, as most liberals think," he argues. "It is also about binding groups together and supporting essential institutions."
Quote:www.alternet.org/story/138303/conservatives_live_in_a_different_moral_
With all that in mind, Haidt identified five foundational moral impulses. As succinctly defined by Northwestern University's McAdams, they are:
• Harm/care. It is wrong to hurt people; it is good to relieve suffering.
• Fairness/reciprocity. Justice and fairness are good; people have certain rights that need to be upheld in social interactions.
• In-group loyalty. People should be true to their group and be wary of threats from the outside. Allegiance, loyalty and patriotism are virtues; betrayal is bad.
• Authority/respect. People should respect social hierarchy; social order is necessary for human life.
• Purity/sanctity. The body and certain aspects of life are sacred. Cleanliness and health, as well as their derivatives of chastity and piety, are all good. Pollution, contamination and the associated character traits of lust and greed are all bad.
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So just OOC I took the moral foundations survey and came up with a profile that places me in neither the liberal nor the conservative groups, but somewhere else. I'm very high on doing no harm and fairness and being anti-authoritarian (no surprise) but also have strong pro-loyalty feelings.
Anyway, I thought it was interesting and worth passing along.
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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Talk about disconnects w/ reality. Joe Wilson is a bald faced lier, and you paint him out to be some Saint.
Sarah Palin? She did exactly what the N.O.W. gang said we should admire in a woman, and that's take on the old boy network in the work place. And not just the boys from across the aisle, but she took on the establishment in her own party! She's a politician and not a scientist. Something Al Gore should himself be reminded about, and often.
My god, the act of projecting your own situation onto others is unequaled. Virtually everything you say w/regard to the GOP and the Right about living in a fantasy land can be better described by you simply looking in the mirror.
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Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing. As you seem to be following in their footsteps, I'm not gonna stop you! Have at it!
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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Another B.S. partisan thread started by the Queen of generalizations.
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Hello,
The Republicans will likely return to power as they always do. Inevitably, one or more difficult situations arise. Inevitably, some people are dissatisfied with the way those in power handle such situations. Inevitably, these dissatisfied people choose the other party next time.
And again, and again.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, your right-wing heroes have done nothing in their lives except be draft-dodging doughy blowhards. They've studied nothing, sacrificed nothing, learned nothing. As you seem to be following in their footsteps, I'm not gonna stop you! Have at it!
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
I hate to think of where we'd be w/ out them, to be honest. Who else was going to express ideas of freedom and remind folks what the Constitution is about, were it not for them? Certainly not the MSM. I too am being rewarded by that SYSTEM, as you put it. It's called CAPITALISM. It's called FREEDOM, and I am not a victim, unlike you.
Aren't you tired of living your life as a victim ? Stop blaming others for your shortcomings, and realize that YOU are in control of your life.
And I'm glad they'll do all they can to stamp out socialism. It's a smothering evil, and it robs people of their dignity.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Thinking about the right-wing- especially the braying asses and their followers: Kudlow, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al... it occurred to me... left-wingers don't have to pay TOO much attention to them.
Liberals love Larry Kudlow, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about. They'd like him even more if he ever allowed them to get a word in edgewise.
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Anthony ?
I mean to have some say in preventing exactly that, this see-saw of incompetence and destruction has to stop before we kill ourselves with it, and I got no issue with putting the boot in to finish the job when their down, a technique I've valued ever since reading Enders Game, cause his moral outlook on it matches my own - finish the damn job.
If we'd have done that with Nixon and his goons back then, we wouldn't have had to deal with the massive social and economic carnage left over from their orgy of hate, intolerance and malice this time around, would we now ?
There's a time for forgive and forget, this ain't it...
Sicilian Vespers for the GOP, and I don't feel a whit sorry for em.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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With ya there on that Frem, Grind 'em to dust and then move on.
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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