The downfall of the right
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 17:08
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sorry, but I disagree. Republicans are finished as a national party. May still win some local and state elections, but for national office they have no chance. The other side is too well organized and zealous to ever lose control of events and outcomes. Their machine has no "off-switch". It's still in full throttle mode, despite the election being won five months ago. There is absolutley almost nothing to counter or stop it.
Sorry, Jongs, but no.
Republicans AS THEY EXIST TODAY might be done at the national level, but they'll adapt and evolve. The Republican party that elected Reagan is long gone, and the one that backed Bush just ran out of D.C. with its tail between its legs. But don't for a minute think that any of that cedes all power to the Democrats. Don't think it, and don't hope for it.
The Democratic "machine" does indeed have an off switch. It's called time and events. Time and events - some of his own making, some beyond his control - caught up to Bush and the NeoCons and cost them the seemingly insurmountable level of control they had back in 2002-2004. The same will happen to the Democrats in power today. That's a GOOD THING - you don't EVER want anything approachinig a "permanent majority"; it just leads nowhere good.
People wanted something different than what Bush and the Republicans were offering last year. In three years, or seven, they'll likely want something different again. Who knows? Maybe they'll look back with nostalgia on the good old days of Bush, the way so many seem to do with Reagan today.
The Republican party will likely change everything but their name - or, if they're fully convinced that their party is dead and gone, they'll change NOTHING about their party BUT the name, and they'll come back as The Patriot Party, or some other "all-American" kind of name. The one thing you can count on, though, is that people will want change - even from "Change". :)
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Quote:C'mon Mikey, Obama only screwed up because of Bush...(You'll keep AU off this thread forever talkin' non-partisan crap like that, embrace your inner left-loon, for 'Rappy's sake
Originally posted by Kwicko:
If Obama screws up (and he will; he has already)
)
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Hear Hear.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Another B.S. partisan thread started by the Queen of generalizations.
And yet ppl just can't help but fill the thread with comment.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:C'mon Mikey, Obama only screwed up because of Bush...(You'll keep AU off this thread forever talkin' non-partisan crap like that, embrace your inner left-loon, for 'Rappy's sake
Originally posted by Kwicko:
If Obama screws up (and he will; he has already)
The laughing Chrisisall
Oh, trust me, Chris - Obama's fully capable of screwing up all on his own. His FISA decision has already proven me correct on that score!
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:Quote:Hear Hear.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Another B.S. partisan thread started by the Queen of generalizations.
And yet ppl just can't help but fill the thread with comment.
Even the people who say they won't dignify the thread with any comment (no, not you, BSCM).
Kinda funny how that works, eh? We get drawn into the conversations we refuse to have...
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Honestly the orginal intent of the thread is unworthy in the extreme. These things are always controlled by the ebb and flow of society's growth. Last week I was prepared to have a true conversation about the conversing subjects of "Importance of Debt/Danger of Debt" with her because I actually respected the subject and thought she was a poster willing to transcend the ever-so-common banalities for a real discussion. Then I sit down today and read...this.
grr arg.
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I think it's a legitimate subject, especially in light of the last 2 elections. Bush started the Republicans on the road to ruin, and McCain sealed the deal of defeat for decades to come. Sorry.
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Quote:Alas the same statement could have been proffered in 1977 replacing the names "Bush" with "Nixon" and "McCain" with "Ford". Ebb and flow sir, ebb and flow.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I think it's a legitimate subject, especially in light of the last 2 elections. Bush started the Republicans on the road to ruin, and McCain sealed the deal of defeat for decades to come. Sorry.
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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:Quote:Alas the same statement could have been profered in 1977 replacing the names "Bush" with "Nixon" and "McCain" with "Ford". Ebb and flow sir, ebb and flow.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I think it's a legitimate subject, especially in light of the last 2 elections. Bush started the Republicans on the road to ruin, and McCain sealed the deal of defeat for decades to come. Sorry.
It's a new world now, in case you haven't noticed. We have an ideologically corrupt press, firmly in the camp of the Democrats. Our side has nothing like ACORN, or any organizational and fund-raising skills whatso ever. We also have no viable candidates. So, it's goin' to be a long, long, long time if ever, especially when Dems are using their new power in DC to permanently solidify their voter base power with Unions and illegal Mexicans. Looks pretty hopeless. I hope I'm wrong.
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M'kay, maybe if I clarified a bit that might help.
I've known and respected conservatives and right-wingers... maybe not always for their political views but many were hard-working, grounded individuals who would/could talk in depth about their opinions. We would have vigorous discussions about topics like "What do we want an economy to do?" and "What is the ultimate outcome of society?" and "Do we have the right to involve ourselves in other nations besides self-defense?" and "If so, to what end" and "Do the ends justify the means?" But right now many prominent right-wingers seem to have gone off the deep end. They appear to have nothing to say except "It would be nice if Muslims would bomb all the liberals", "My country right or wrong" etc. Once upon a time, we had a very interesting thread about demonization, with great participiaiton from right-wingers. But many no longer have a toehold in reality. On reflection, I think we ALWAYS have to worry about the crazy minority (no matter how you define it... BTW if you want to see crazy you should talk to some Trotskyists) but I just came to the realization that there's no point in even talking to them anymore.
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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