450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 14:59
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Finn, the issue is gray. There is a continuum. But morals- at least according to you- shouldn't be. aren't you engaging in moral relativism?
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Frem
More empty, gutless lies and rhetoric from the likes of you. It is patently absurd for anyone to believe that skin color, hair thickness , or any way one defines "race" can be shown to hold any level of superiority. Race is bullshit, and any moron who clings to such superficial guides to gauge another person is nothing but a simplistic , useful idiot. I get so damn tired of seeing the RACIST lie perpetuated by the so called enlightened Left.
Your false, baseless portrayal of me ( an many conservatives ) is a great mental block to you, and also serves as cover so as to avoid havig to deal with real, actual issues of substance.
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The discussion has wandered way from rappy's original point, BTW. rappy uses terrorists' actions to justify our less worse ones. The discussion has become a cost/benefit one, which isn't quite the same.
So, to specifically address rappys' point: You're setting the bar very low if the only thing you can claim is that we're "not as bad as them."
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The discussion has wandered way from rappy's original point, BTW. rappy uses terrorists' actions to justify our less worse ones. The discussion has become a cost/benefit one, which isn't quite the same.
So, to specifically address rappys' point: You're setting the bar very low if the only thing you can claim is that we're "not as bad as them."
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But isn't questioning the presumption of benefit part of that cost/benefit discussion?
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GEEZER:
I've tried this exercise before, and usually get the same excuses why no one here expresses any outrage over mass collateral damage while ranting about suicide bombings. "It's not what we intended.", "They did it on purpose", and the old reliable "It's all Islam's fault." But really, isn't the life of a Sunni family trying to live Mosul as valuable as that of a fruit-stand guy in Baghdad? Don't the deaths of kids playing in that city deserve at least a percentage of the rage you exhibit over suicide bombings? Sorta makes me wonder if you don't really care about the victims at all, and just want to score debating points.
OR, you could substitute Palestinians and Israelis just as well. My point is: A life is a life, whether it is Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Israeli or Palestinian, or Russian or a woman or a child or a young man. Whether is was taken specifically or carelessly (collateral damage).
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Quote:yes, but it wasn't rappy's original point. Also, nobody has addressed his paranoid rantings that "the left" WANTS thousands more killed as part of a power-grab. Rappy's original points have - thankfully- been derailed by more rational ones. I just wanted to go back and address his specifically,
But isn't questioning the presumption of benefit part of that cost/benefit discussion?
ETA- just to point out what a nut-case he is.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:yes, but it wasn't rappy's original point. Also, nobody has addressed his paranoid rantings that "the left" WANTS thousands more killed as part of a power-grab. Rappy's original points have - thankfully- been derailed by more rational ones. I just wanted to go back and address his specifically.
But isn't questioning the presumption of benefit part of that cost/benefit discussion?
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That's true. Until I just reread it, I had completely forgotten the giggle-fit I had when I first read his post.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Of course people are upset about the carnage and cruelty. What does that have to do with voicing their opposition to torture?
Just makes me wonder why you have to repeatedly voice your outrage over torture that has ceased, and never about the on-going carnage and cruelty. There are currently three or four threads ongoing about waterboarding, but I've never seen any (that I didn't start) about the daily car bomb attacks on civilians throughout the Middle-East and south Asia.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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BTW Finn... Your points seem to be primarily imaginary. I can imagine all kinds of scenarios and I'm not talking about real life and I can't provide details.. Yanno what? The script-writers of "24" can imagine all kinds of scenarios too. So can I. But we're talking about REAL LIFE stuff. Real interrogations on real people with real consequences- moral, security, political.
Part of the issue is whether the same information could be gained any other way. The other part is: WHY did they have to waterboard 2 people a total of 266 times? What was THAT all about?
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Quote:or the daily death that occurs in Africa due to starvation? Or the number of fatalities due to air pollution?
but I've never seen any (that I didn't start) about the daily car bomb attacks on civilians throughout the Middle-East and south Asia.
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