"None of it means a damn thing"
POSTED BY: Fireflew
UPDATED: Thursday, June 17, 2004 15:52
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Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:Quote:
Originally posted by Fireflew:
Mal saying, "None of it means a damn thing" - what exactly does this mean?
But yes, does anyone else have any theories regarding this line?
Accepting the idea that this is a forward quote, my take is that Mal's quote is from the very end of the series. That is when Mal is in the terminal stages of opium addiction, commenting on the role of the crew of Serenity in the removal of the threat to the future of the Alliance by enabling Book and Inara to return River safely to Sinon to testify against Blue Sun.
Whoah, opium addiction! Interesting thought. So, in your opinion, Mal will end his days a burned-out and hollow individual, permanently? Dark.. but interesting. Any more thoughts, please?
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
You cant make butter with a toothpick.
"When you need sexual help, they send you to a small Jewish lady you know doesn't even eat pork..." I do love Robin Williams. 'Live at the Met' -- what? 1985 or somesuch?
(Hey, what is the topic of this thread, anyway? Oh, yeah, River's reading of the crew at the beginning of OIS...)
River understands, she doesn't comprehend. She knows the surface meaning of the words and images she finds in the minds of her shipmates but she can't put them in context or grasp their significance...kinda like a 'normal' 6-year-old watching an NC-17 movie...it's overwhelming and confusing and fascinating and yet nauseating in some way. Same problem we are meant to have with that scene. We know what the words mean when Mal says, "None of it means a damn thing," but we have no way to determine the significance of that thought, or even if there is any.
"Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity?"
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Originally posted by Lora:
River understands, she doesn't comprehend. She knows the surface meaning of the words and images she finds in the minds of her shipmates but she can't put them in context or grasp their significance...kinda like a 'normal' 6-year-old watching an NC-17 movie...it's overwhelming and confusing and fascinating and yet nauseating in some way. Same problem we are meant to have with that scene. We know what the words mean when Mal says, "None of it means a damn thing," but we have no way to determine the significance of that thought, or even if there is any.
"Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity?"
Yes, this lack of comprehension cruelly (
Joss Whedon.... 
) forced on us fans who would like to know the significance of the words 
.Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."
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Originally posted by DeSangro:
Whoah, opium addiction! Interesting thought. So, in your opinion, Mal will end his days a burned-out and hollow individual, permanently? Dark.. but interesting. Any more thoughts, please?
FWIW Purplebelly's denouement:
Mal: opium addiction as a result of being unable to reconcile himself to Zoe's death; emaciation means his pants are no longer tight
Zoe: dead in a rearguard action with the Reavers
Wash: alcohol abuser, too fat to fit into flight seat
Serenity: sitting in a scrap lot on Osiris, home to Mal, Wash and Kaylee but unable to fly because of lack of maintenance
Kaylee: caring for Mal, Wash and Serenity by working for the scrap merchant and turning the odd trick for clients with boils and the like; she is not cheerful
River: on a witness protection programme after her testimony against Blue Sun. This is a euphemism for the draconian reprogramming that has destroyed any individuality along with the Blue Sun enhancements
Simon: returned to his career on Osiris. Has a large enough stack of money to live in a loft apartment, which has the now fashionable Firefly interior design. He doesn't know about the plight of Kaylee, Mal and Wash
Jayne: is Simon's personal trainer and majordomo of their apartment. He knows about the plight of his former crewmates, but has warned Kaylee that he will kill Mal if she contacts Simon for help.
Inara: after the demise of Blue Sun and the triumph of the True Alliance she has resumed her career on Sinon as House Priestess
Book: has fulfilled his task of getting River to Sinon to testify against Blue Sun, and is in Retreat at the Abbey
Niska: has commisioned a video documentary on the story of Serenity, the shooting of which gives the structure for the final episode of the show
Sorry this is so long, and such nonsense, but you did ask
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Lora wrote:
Saturday, June 05, 2004 16:51
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
You cant make butter with a toothpick.
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"When you need sexual help, they send you to a small Jewish lady you know doesn't even eat pork..." I do love Robin Williams. 'Live at the Met' -- what? 1985 or somesuch?
Heya Lora, Didnt think anyone would know where I got that little line from. Well done.
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Originally posted by manwithpez:
To get back to the thread, here's my humble thoughts.....Why does River seem to be repulsed by Zoe and Wash's lovemaking?
I'm curious as to why you think River's repulsed. I perceived River's reaction as being overwhelmed by their emotions/thoughts, as well as possibly a little frightened by the intensity of them. I think it's unlikely that River herself has experienced those emotions/thoughts/tactile sensations, so it wouldn't be surprising if she were a little freaked out by it.
"Well personally, I kinda want to slay the dragon."
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"When you need sexual help, they send you to a small Jewish lady you know doesn't even eat pork..." I do love Robin Williams. 'Live at the Met' -- what? 1985 or somesuch?
"You don't go to Dr. Ruth...You go to Docta ROOF! Cause she'll help your ass! She'll be gorram honest with you. When you say Docta ROOF does it matter that I have a small penis? She'll say Damn straight, baby!"
and, my personal favorite (beside Reagan as puppet, but that would be in bad taste right now, huh?)
"Its the time of year when your cat looks at you like" turns and walks backwards "Ever seen THIS before?"
Good stuff...
Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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