Breaking news - Obama admin will NOT press charges of 'TORTURE' on CIA agents.
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this was aimed at the subject matter at hand, not at any person or poster. Something about it just set me off. :)
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Duly noted. For the record, I'm against torture, warrantless wiretaps and searches as well.
SGG
Tawabawho?
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
this was aimed at the subject matter at hand, not at any person or poster. Something about it just set me off. :)
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Duly noted. For the record, I'm against torture, warrantless wiretaps and searches as well.
SGG
Tawabawho?
I thought so - I just didn't want you to think that I was singling out your position because I responded to your post. What you posted brought it out, but only because it echoed my own feelings on the matter.
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Maybe if Cheney were under active investigation he wouldn't be mouthing off so much.
Now, THAT would be targeting that would be worthwhile!
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Maybe if Cheney were under active investigation he wouldn't be mouthing off so much.
Now, THAT would be targeting that would be worthwhile!
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
For that matter, why isn't Michelle Bachman calling for investigations into "un-American" acts by elected officials, such as calling for secession and speaking out against the government at their little tea-bagging parties? After all, she was completely in favor of such McCarthy-esque witch-hunts less than a year ago, when some were criticizing the Bush regime!
Oh, and Signy? Obviously Cheney's a right-wing extremist; remember, he once shot a friend in the face for not agreeing vigorously enough with his political positions!
Mike
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MORE BREAKING NEWS!!
OBAMA MAY PROSECUTE BUSH OFFICIALS OVER TORTURE!!
Looks like Obama might be leaving the door open for prosecutions of Bush Administration officials who ordered the torture of detainees...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/21/obama-administration-bush_n_1
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Mike
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Because power, once taken from you or given by you, is NEVER taken back without a fight. That's why don't give it away so easily! It's also why I was against these things in the first place - not just for what BUSH might do with the power, but for what everyone else might do with it later. 'Cause for damn sure they weren't just going to give it back.
“If you give too little power today, you may give more tomorrow. But the reverse of that proposition will not hold. If you give too much power today, you cannot retake it tomorrow; for tomorrow will never come for that purpose.” - Patrick Henry
Ain't no such thing as a "Temporary" Tax, neither.
Case in point, the telephone line tax intended to fund the war in 1898, which stayed in place till 2005, when some folk made an *issue* out of it on principles sake and did in the end, carry the day.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1229-05.htm
http://news.cnet.com/Senators-want-to-nix-1898-telecom-tax/2100-1036_3
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And anyone with a working brain and a knowledge of history knows damn well just how dangerous "emergency measures" can be.
Currently, though - the real dangers come not so much from the administration, but from our own alphabet goons, cause even the most superficial investigation will reveal they've been engaging in this conduct nonstop since their very foundation.
And when called on it, simply ignore whatever laws and restrictions are thrown at them and go right on doing it, as evidenced by the Church Committee hearings which lead to the very restrictions they've been proven to have ignored all along.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
If even the highest levels of our elected leaders are powerless to give them orders, then you might ask yourself who REALLY runs this country, and consider well the malicious and sociopathic nature of the conduct of these agencies over the past fifty some odd years.
The biggest threat against our people, our nation, and our entire intended way of life, comes not from an external source at all, but from within.
And if our elected leaders don't have the guts to do something about it, then it falls to us, the people - the reluctant release of these documents by the Obama administration because the material within "had been publicly acknowledged" is in great part due to whistleblowers and common citizens taking some awful risks in order to bring them to public light despite resistance from both the goons and the administration.
This is what HAS to happen, for without the actions of folk who risked their necks to get the proof, and those brave enough to publish about it, the Church Committee hearings would have never happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Commission_to_Investigate_the
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And in just five words, President Obama has make it abundantly clear to all of us just what side of that HE is on.
"CIA has my full support"
Which means he has failed in his duty, violated his oath of office, and as such deserves neither our respect, nor our support.
This was never about stopping the abuses, it was only about changing which hand holds the leash of the monsters that commit them.
And just think how much economic prosperity would come of finally cutting off the money pit of their black budgets, which inevitably wind up either making the money disappear, or coming up with stuff that's used on our own citizens as a matter of course.
Not to mention my personal suspicion that it would put a serious crimp in the drug trade and resultant social carnage were these agencies disbanded.
Imma hold further comment for the moment, but there is more to be said, just not now.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Not to mention my personal suspicion that it would put a serious crimp in the drug trade and resultant social carnage were these agencies disbanded.
Imma hold further comment for the moment, but there is more to be said, just not now.
Fremmie, see what you can dig up about a plane going down in Mexico with a cache of cartel drugs and/or weapons aboard. Seems it had the same tail number (registration number) as one of the planes the CIA was using for kidnappings - er, I mean for "renditions". I saw in mentioned in an article about the "war zone" of Juarez which was printed a few months back in Texas Monthly. Since then, I haven't been able to turn up much useful info on it.
I find it more than a little curious and concerning, though. I'm not crazy about the goon squad being in bed with meth cartels, to be blunt about it.
Mike
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You're speaking of a Grumman C-11 Gulfstream II, tail number N987SA, which was logged for three rendition flights from US Destinations to Gitmo, which was then "sold" from the initial front company (Rutter) to a second front company (DonnaBlue) which crashed in Yucatan Mexico on September 24, 2007.
The alphabet goons have been running drugs ever since vietnam and air america, it's kind of an open secret to be honest, and without regard to whichever administration was in power at the time, since even Clinton had his hands in that pie as indicated by the events in Mena, Arkansas, which was even then a known jumpoff point for various dirty doings with Iran-Contra, which I was *WELL* aware of at the time because...
Oh hell, fuck it, since imma naming names and all.
Because yours truly was recommended as a potential on site advisor for "this little problem in Nicaragua" and smelled enough of a rat to revise the intended plan and go private enterprise a little early - which was a DAMN good idea cause no one who got on that flight ever came back.
I wasn't always a freelancer, Mikey.
Since I happen to be spilling every damn thing else, might as well be honest about that, too.
Trust me dude, the US Army and their intel goons smuggle as much or more dope as the cartels, where in hell didja think DARPA gets the amount of money it spends in light of how far it's assigned budget is short of that ?
How else do you think they get that shit past customs, honestly ?
All you gotta do is match up military movements incoming with known drug distribution frameworks to prove it, too.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Who's gonna clean up all these beans now, Frem?
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Trust me dude, the US Army and their intel goons smuggle as much or more dope as the cartels, where in hell didja think DARPA gets the amount of money it spends in light of how far it's assigned budget is short of that ?
How else do you think they get that shit past customs, honestly ?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Won't be me.
I decided that from the very beginning, when they decided to fast-track me onto a career path which woulda had me in the end doing *exactly that* - by any means necessary.
So I played ball long enough to learn everything about it that I could, and jumped ship using my broken contract and the money they owed me as an excuse and cover - then went private enterprise.
There's a lot more to that story than is ever gettin told, but consider how much a technically oriented fella who was the only one outside of the crypto guys who knew any damn thing about those computers might have learned being educated in dirty business, while in the same where and when that they installed main core.
It's funny though, none of em much cared cause they knew damn well that in the case of a real external threat against our country or our people them fuckers would have to take a number and get in line behind my ass to get their pound of flesh.
I doubt they're much concerned now either, since anything I might choose to spill is small potatoes compared to what got torched, kind of our little version of a steam engines blowoff valve, you understand.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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