She's against gay marriage and looks FANTASTIC in a bikini

POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Saturday, April 25, 2009 07:28
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WHOZIT

Monday, April 20, 2009 9:39 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517137,00.html

If she had said she was for it, she would have won and been put in a movie with George Clooney. Maybe they can find a roll for her on 24?

BYTEMITE

Monday, April 20, 2009 10:23 PM

I'm too scared to look. Is it Ann Coulter?

AURAPTOR

Monday, April 20, 2009 10:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm too scared to look. Is it Ann Coulter?

Hardly.

Whao - nice bikini.

CHRISISALL

Monday, April 20, 2009 10:26 PM

However, she's clearly *for* breast augmentation.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Monday, April 20, 2009 10:46 PM

Just because your old lady doesn't have as nice a pair doesn't mean you have to hate.

WHOZIT

Monday, April 20, 2009 11:23 PM

She's not backing down!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517215,00.html

Why'd that creep even ask that question in the 1st place, I thought they were more interested in world peace?

AURAPTOR

Monday, April 20, 2009 11:39 PM

I heard about this, and the 'judge' is some gay activist, trying to make a political statement. It's customary to NOT ask contestants about political or religious issues, and yet they hoped to sabotage Ms California, knowing in advance her views.

He should be censured, of course, but he won't be, not in this P.C., upside down world.

PIRATECAT

Monday, April 20, 2009 11:40 PM

CA, I was thinking that same thing. I want natural.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:42 AM

Hello,

I found this quote curious:

-=-=-=-

"It's ugly," said Scott Ihrig, a gay man, who attended the pageant with his partner. "I think it's ridiculous that she got first runner-up. That is not the value of 95 percent of the people in this audience. Look around this audience and tell me how many gay men there are."

-=-=-=-

Were they all wearing signs?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm too scared to look. Is it Ann Coulter?

It's Miss California USA, who answered a question by a gay activist judge (perez hilton) for the pageant produced by another gay activist (Keith Lewis). The gay activist judge later explained that her answer to a question which is normally not allowed in the pageant was the sole reason she did not win the title.

I conjured the most appropriate question would be this: why are Female Beauty Pageants being produced and judged by GAY guys? Why cannot they judge their GAY pageants and let Hetero Men judge who we like to represent Female Beauty? Why are Hetero Men allowing Gays to dictate who we should consider attractive to Hetero Men?
THAT is seriously twisted.

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

I conjured the most appropriate question would be this: why are Female Beauty Pageants being produced and judged by GAY guys? Why cannot they judge their GAY pageants and let Hetero Men judge who we like to represent Female Beauty? Why are Hetero Men allowing Gays to dictate who we should consider attractive to Hetero Men?
THAT is seriously twisted.

Speaking of twisted, why should hetero men be th sole judges of female beauty? As a woman, I have some serious opinions about it, myself.

And I sincerely doubt that a beauty pageant is supposed to dictate hetero men's norm of beauty. I doubt it's about hetero men at all.

ETA: I tend to think it was inappropriate to ask the question, but then I'm not very familiar with beauty pageants. What sorts of questions are usually asked and what are they supposed to test? If she had declared that she believes women ought to not vote and not work - upon being asked - would that legitimately influence the judgment?

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I found this quote curious:

-=-=-=-

"It's ugly," said Scott Ihrig, a gay man, who attended the pageant with his partner. "I think it's ridiculous that she got first runner-up. That is not the value of 95 percent of the people in this audience. Look around this audience and tell me how many gay men there are."

-=-=-=-

Were they all wearing signs?

--Anthony

Never heard of Gay-dar ? You don't think a gay man can tell whether other gay men might be at an event which is likely to attract other gay men or not ? A beauty pageant isn't exactly the standard hang out for gay men, I'm guessin'.

KWICKO

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

I conjured the most appropriate question would be this: why are Female Beauty Pageants being produced and judged by GAY guys? Why cannot they judge their GAY pageants and let Hetero Men judge who we like to represent Female Beauty? Why are Hetero Men allowing Gays to dictate who we should consider attractive to Hetero Men?
THAT is seriously twisted.

Speaking of twisted, why should hetero men be th sole judges of female beauty? As a woman, I have some serious opinions about it, myself.

And I sincerely doubt that a beauty pageant is supposed to dictate hetero men's norm of beauty. I doubt it's about hetero men at all.

ETA: I tend to think it was inappropriate to ask the question, but then I'm not very familiar with beauty pageants. What sorts of questions are usually asked and what are they supposed to test? If she had declared that she believes women ought to not vote and not work - upon being asked - would that legitimately influence the judgment?

Bingo. I tend to think of beauty pageants as being pretty close to the gayest things ever. The women are so overly tarted-up that they end up looking like drag queens. If you're a straight man and you're that hard up for something on TV to whack it to, just give up and go get yourself some porn. Jesus won't mind, I promise.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:23 PM

So much is faked it's like who has the best cgi.

HERO

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
However, she's clearly *for* breast augmentation.

I believe that every woman has a right to large breasts. Its in the Constitution...the Elastic Clause.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

HERO

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Speaking of twisted, why should hetero men be th sole judges of female beauty? As a woman, I have some serious opinions about it, myself.

And I sincerely doubt that a beauty pageant is supposed to dictate hetero men's norm of beauty. I doubt it's about hetero men at all.

That dog don't hunt. Hetero men are the sole judges of female beauty. Everyone else has a right to their opinion...but its just an opinion. Hetero men (and hot lesbians) set the standard.

The opposite is true as well.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PirateCat:
CA, I was thinking that same thing. I want natural.

She looks to be a very pretty girl who wanted both the stick-figure model thinness and B-cup a little more weight would naturally bring.
What a shame.
These pageants are a joke anyway, always have been. T&A + make believe girlfriends for 13 year olds.

The laughing Chrisisall

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

I conjured the most appropriate question would be this: why are Female Beauty Pageants being produced and judged by GAY guys? Why cannot they judge their GAY pageants and let Hetero Men judge who we like to represent Female Beauty? Why are Hetero Men allowing Gays to dictate who we should consider attractive to Hetero Men?
THAT is seriously twisted.

Speaking of twisted, why should hetero men be th sole judges of female beauty? As a woman, I have some serious opinions about it, myself.

And I sincerely doubt that a beauty pageant is supposed to dictate hetero men's norm of beauty. I doubt it's about hetero men at all.

ETA: I tend to think it was inappropriate to ask the question, but then I'm not very familiar with beauty pageants. What sorts of questions are usually asked and what are they supposed to test? If she had declared that she believes women ought to not vote and not work - upon being asked - would that legitimately influence the judgment?

Consider the illogic of having people who are not attracted to females, sometimes repulsed by female sexuality, and/or find the thought of heterosexual sex with females repugnant to be the arbiters of female attractiveness - if that isn't obviously illogical, you should stay away from sci fi forums.
The questions asked are not to delve into politics or religion. Apparently weather is allowed. Other contestants where not asked political questions, only this contestant was singled out, clearly an unfairness perpetrated by the gay activist.
Knowing that the questions are not allowed to be political or religious and then being sandbagged by an obvious political question in violation of the contest rules should have resulted in the judge being disbarred from the contest.

It would be less illogical for gay guys to be judging the gay studmen pageant, or gay drag pageants (which they exclude hetero men from judging), or even lesbian women to judge a female beauty pageant (beacuse they at least find females sexually attractive instead of repulsive).

By having the gay producer select the activist gay for judging females, the implication seems clear that they consider one type of sexual orientation to rule over an opposite sexual orientation to be preferable, so they should be overjoyed that this contestant agreed that one sexual orientaion (heterosexuals) should control the opposite sexual orientation (homos) - otherwise they prove themselves the epitome of hypocrity, not that logic has any standing among gays.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
However, she's clearly *for* breast augmentation.

I believe that every woman has a right to large breasts. Its in the Constitution...the Elastic Clause.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

She might be for it, but upon further review, I do believe hers are natural.

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:29 AM

Quote:
...they prove themselves the epitome of hypocrity, not that logic has any standing among gays.

I had no idea you were gay. You must be, though, since you also seem to subscribe to the "hypocrity" that one group should have control over another. How else do you explain the "heteros" trying to decide whether gays are good enough to be married?

And seriously, I've never known a straight man who watched these beauty pageants.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
upon further review, I do believe hers are natural.

Nope, not possible. I reviewed the youtube entries, and am trained in anatomy- they are aftermarket work all right.

The laughing Chrisisall

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Consider the illogic of having people who are not attracted to females, sometimes repulsed by female sexuality, and/or find the thought of heterosexual sex with females repugnant to be the arbiters of female attractiveness - if that isn't obviously illogical, you should stay away from sci fi forums.

I think the illogic is yours in assuming that all beauty must be related to sex or sexual attraction.

Or assuming that finding the thought of sex with a woman repulsive means finding THEM or their beauty repulsive.

I don't generally want to have sex with women and there are plenty men I don't want to have sex with and it's not a direct correlation to whether or not I consider them beautiful. I consider women generally more beautiful than men, and there's a number of men I'd class beautiful but am not attracted to.

And yes, what I find beautiful in women or men might be different from what their prospective sexual partner might find beautiful in them. But neither are they necessarily diametrically opposed things, and when you take into account every one's opinion, I'm sure you can arrive at a standard of beauty that meets most people's taste.

I find it silly to tie beauty to sexual attraction.

Quote:

The questions asked are not to delve into politics or religion. Apparently weather is allowed. Other contestants where not asked political questions, only this contestant was singled out, clearly an unfairness perpetrated by the gay activist.
Knowing that the questions are not allowed to be political or religious and then being sandbagged by an obvious political question in violation of the contest rules should have resulted in the judge being disbarred from the contest.

Then it is like I suspected unfair and I agree with you that the judge was in the wrong.

Quote:

By having the gay producer select the activist gay for judging females, the implication seems clear that they consider one type of sexual orientation to rule over an opposite sexual orientation to be preferable, so they should be overjoyed that this contestant agreed that one sexual orientaion (heterosexuals) should control the opposite sexual orientation (homos) - otherwise they prove themselves the epitome of hypocrity, not that logic has any standing among gays.

You're losing me there.

I agree that the judge was in the wrong for dragging politics into what should be a politics-free zone, but by the same token you should leave the sexuality of the judges out of the concept of beauty pageants, because I doubt most of them are there to Be Oppressively Gay, but instead to enjoy a frilly event with pretty women and voice their opinion on aesthetics and other merits of the contestants.

Why does it not occur to you to broaden beauty beyond the scope of sex? Surely you yourself consider people and things beautiful based on more than only sexual attraction?

PARTICIPANT

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
So much is faked it's like who has the best cgi.

So whats the problem

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:55 PM

Chris,
Yours is a popular view, I concur. However, she's a fine specimen and there are adhesives which do wonders in that dept. I personally think ALL contestants should be judged on their original issue parts, and after market add ons need not apply.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:22 PM

Obviously SHE never saw the movie Miss Congeniality!Doesn't she know that the only answer they allow is "World peace"?

Oh and BTW... I can't imagine what's happening to Whozit's bagel right now. Or, maybe the problem is that I can.
---------------------------------
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
she's a fine specimen

No doubt. But she could use a few more calories IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Obviously SHE never saw the movie Miss Congeniality!Doesn't she know that the only answer they allow is "World peace"?

Damn, I thought it was "whirled peas"!

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:56 AM

Good for her. She had the courage to state her mind. I'm sure a lot of other girls chose the stock politically correct response designed to appease the haters.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:32 PM

Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

Because female beauty is not like wine. You don't have to drink it to appreciate it.

KWICKO

Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

Do you have to be an artist to appreciate art?

ETA: Let me get this straight (no pun intended): You don't want gays to have any say in what straight people do?

Savor the irony...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:05 PM

Although, if there WAS actual misogyny involved? Suddenly the world of high fashion makes a WHOLE lot more sense.

The shoes alone...

THATWEIRDGIRL

Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:44 PM

Her answer is contrary to my own, but I didn't think it was delivered in a malicious of offensive way. She said she loved her country. She said she thought it was great that states could decide for themselves, but for her personally she was against. I am one who thinks she was targeted because she is CA. It was not a fair question for the pageant (been in a pageant myself). I didn't watch the competition so I don't have an opinion on who deserved to win. My opinion is she was sandbagged.

---
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown
www.thatcostumegirl.com
www.thatweirdgirl.com

KWICKO

Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Her answer is contrary to my own, but I didn't think it was delivered in a malicious of offensive way. She said she loved her country. She said she thought it was great that states could decide for themselves, but for her personally she was against. I am one who thinks she was targeted because she is CA. It was not a fair question for the pageant (been in a pageant myself). I didn't watch the competition so I don't have an opinion on who deserved to win. My opinion is she was sandbagged.

---
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown
www.thatcostumegirl.com
www.thatweirdgirl.com

Tend to agree - it's a question that shouldn't have even come up.

I do find the reactions to the question, the questioner, and the contestant and her answer somewhat telling, though...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

Do you have to be an artist to appreciate art?

ETA: Let me get this straight (no pun intended): You don't want gays to have any say in what straight people do?

Savor the irony...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

See, there you go again. I question a Gay man judging women ( like they know what qualities to even look for ), and you quickly distort my point. Typical.

The vulgar and tasteless remarks that the queer judge ( I won't bother mentioning his name, and yes, I'm TRYING to be derogatory towards him by using that term ) later made about Ms California are what should have disqualified him , more than anything. That's where his true character ( or lack there of ) was on display. He's so far beneath the contestants he judged, it's a joke.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

Because female beauty is not like wine. You don't have to drink it to appreciate it.

But she answered the question correctly. How so ? It was her honest opinion, and it represents the opinion of the people of California. She, being Ms California, did right.

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

Because female beauty is not like wine. You don't have to drink it to appreciate it.

But she answered the question correctly. How so ? It was her honest opinion, and it represents the opinion of the people of California. She, being Ms California, did right.

Which has nothing to do with gay men judging female beauty pageants... I already stated that I disagree with this question being asked in the first place, so why are you bringing this up when the tangent was about female beauty?

KWICKO

Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Question: Why is a gay man even judging a Miss USA contest anyway?? If you don't drink or enjoy wine, are you a good candidate to be a wine taster?

Do you have to be an artist to appreciate art?

ETA: Let me get this straight (no pun intended): You don't want gays to have any say in what straight people do?

Savor the irony...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

See, there you go again. I question a Gay man judging women ( like they know what qualities to even look for ), and you quickly distort my point. Typical.

So I ask you to look at your remarks in another light, from another point of view, and I'm trying to "distort" your point? YOU question a gay man wanting to try to tell you anything, yet you don't see the hypocrisy inherent in telling HIM what is and isn't right. You question a gay man's ability to appreciate female beauty, yet you set yourself up as the arbiter of what constitutes love and marriage - especially for gays!

Yes, your hypocrisy IS quite typical.

Quote:

The vulgar and tasteless remarks that the queer judge ( I won't bother mentioning his name, and yes, I'm TRYING to be derogatory towards him by using that term ) later made about Ms California are what should have disqualified him , more than anything. That's where his true character ( or lack there of ) was on display. He's so far beneath the contestants he judged, it's a joke.

You find his remarks so vile and tasteless that the first thing you go to is calling him a "queer" - as if that isn't vulgar and tasteless in and of itself. And you admit that you're TRYING to be derogatory towards him, so don't try to weasel out of that one. So YOUR vulgar and derogatory remarks about the gay judge should disqualify you from having any say about him - at least, according to YOUR logic.

And yes, we've all seen your TRUE character. Or lack thereof.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just because your old lady doesn't have as nice a pair doesn't mean you have to hate.

Ha ha ha ha, my lady's "pair" would have you in awe, my poor, desperate friend. I know they do that to me!

*hopes my Wife doesn't find this in poor taste...*

SCREW IT! They're real, and they're spectacular!

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just because your old lady doesn't have as nice a pair doesn't mean you have to hate.
Ha ha ha ha, my lady's "pair" would have you in awe, my poor, desperate friend. I know they do that to me!

*hopes my Wife doesn't find this in poor taste...*

SCREW IT! They're real, and they're spectacular!

The laughing Chrisisall

No pix, no proof!

(Just kiddin' ya. Don't go Bruce Lee on me!)

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I question a Gay man judging women ( like they know what qualities to even look for ), and you quickly distort my point. Typical.

I dislike that they couldn't just respect her honest opinion, but I accept their judgement of beauty; I as a straight male can comfortably say that Johnny Depp & Bruce Lee are and were beautiful men. You need to remove those biased glasses before shooting your mouth off about that which you have prejudices about, AU.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

No pix, no proof!

She would definitely kill me, Mike...she broke my leg once in Aikido class, you know.

Sexy.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:34 AM

Yup, Chris - I dislike that they even asked her the question. It's a loaded question that has no place in a beauty pageant. I disagree with her answer, but she got a raw deal, because ANY answer would have had about half the crowd pissed off, it seems.

'Course, it's not like I was ever going to listen to Perez Hilton for advice on... well, ANYTHING. Not because he's gay, but because he's just tacky.

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

No pix, no proof!

She would definitely kill me, Mike...she broke my leg once in Aikido class, you know.
Sexy.

The laughing Chrisisall

In that case, better not tell her I asked! I don't want her coming after ME!

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

In that case, better not tell her I asked!

It's that Latin blood- here, just for "pair" reference, think Salma Hayek from Desperado...

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 2:20 AM

Ay Carumba! O Dios mio!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, April 24, 2009 7:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I question a Gay man judging women ( like they know what qualities to even look for ), and you quickly distort my point. Typical.

I dislike that they couldn't just respect her honest opinion, but I accept their judgement of beauty; I as a straight male can comfortably say that Johnny Depp & Bruce Lee are and were beautiful men. You need to remove those biased glasses before shooting your mouth off about that which you have prejudices about, AU.

The laughing Chrisisall

Without that question, she had the title. All other aspects of the contest placed her total in first place. Only the ZERO that perezhilton gave her knocked her down to 2nd place. The Gay Activist thought that one facet of the contest outweighed all other considerations enough to merit giving her a zero. She knew the title was in danger once he sandbagged her, and yet she stood true to the truthful answer and answered honestly, which is far better than could be said for him.
It's a shame that the dishonest and deceitful person was the judge (and is being celebrated), and the honest person was penalized for being honest and not deceitful about a topic not even allowed to be broached.
I had understood the primary purpose of the Q&A for pageants was the exposure of poise, the smooth reply to a question which may or may not require thought, in front a of a live audience. Similar traits are tested by debate teams and game shows. Performance under pressure. I did not see Miss CA stutter or break out in hives even though she was being sandbagged and knew it, thus she showed the best poise of all contestants, but yet was penalized for it. Really a shame, and gays should feel collectively ashamed that their self-proclaimed spokesgay has revealed his rabid intolerance.

BIGRICHARD

Friday, April 24, 2009 8:42 AM

I see the points from both sides, and I don't really have a problem with gay men judging a beauty pageant. Just Perez Hilton judging one. I don't like that guy at all. Mind you, I'd have to say, them judging this is a bit like me judging the 'hottest guys'. I'm not saying I don't have an opinion, but, me not being gay, it's mainly just personal opinion and based on what the person seems like, rather than what that person looks like. Hugh Jackman anyone?

But yeah, I don't see why this should have cost her the pageant, as someone else said, she gave her opinion, and if it's a 'beauty' pageant, where alot of it is these women walking around in skimpy little outfits, why should it matter what her opinion is. It's almost like if she said "I dislike Perez Hilton" and lost because of it.

Anyway, the point is, stop talking about CiA's ladyfriend. Or don't. I'm just worried about YOUR safety here guys!

RIPWASH

Friday, April 24, 2009 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigRichard:
It's almost like if she said "I dislike Perez Hilton" and lost because of it.

Honestly, I think that's how the blow-hard took it.

I agree that the jerk should not have even been allowed to ask the question to begin with and it's probably because of this that judges will now have to have their questions pre-screened (I doubt it) OR these questions will be allowed after all (more likely).

I mean really. The guy's question AND response should have been taken into account when tallying the scores OR someone should have seen his score then gone to him and said, "You're score should be based on HOW she answered the question (poise, confidence, personality, etc.), not whether or not you liked it personally because of your orientation." To say he was obviously there with an agenda . . . ? That's a possibility and to think otherwise may be naive. People like him ALWAYS have their personal agendas in the forefront of EVERYTHING they do. He's a gay activist. That's the heart and soul of everything he does. He almost can't help himself in trying to get other people to make fools of themselves while pushing his train of thought into the spotlight and then mercilessly mocking them for it and, in this case, penalizing them for it.

I don't have a problem with gay men judging these pageants. I think recognition of beauty is universal, but subjective as well. There are some people out there who are considered quite stunningly beautiful by the general public, like Kate Moss, that I have to wholeheartedly disagree with IMHO. She's a stick figure with a very average face.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Which has nothing to do with gay men judging female beauty pageants... I already stated that I disagree with this question being asked in the first place, so why are you bringing this up when the tangent was about female beauty?

The 'tangent' ? Well, it WAS the Miss USA contest. I think female beauty is sort of implied.

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:15 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I question a Gay man judging women ( like they know what qualities to even look for ), and you quickly distort my point. Typical.

I dislike that they couldn't just respect her honest opinion, but I accept their judgement of beauty; I as a straight male can comfortably say that Johnny Depp & Bruce Lee are and were beautiful men. You need to remove those biased glasses before shooting your mouth off about that which you have prejudices about, AU.

The laughing Chrisisall

Chris, it's not that the guy was gay that's the issue ( on JUDGING a Miss USA contest ), but that he then went on to call her a bitch and a cunt afterward, on his 'blog', which he later took down, due to death threats. If that's the only reason he took his comments down, then that shows he's more of a pu...well, I won't go there. It's too easy. He had no business in the 1st place being a 'judge'. He's too biased and came to the make a political statement and not with any sincere interest to treat the pageant with any level of professionalism.

The chick chose truth over the tierra in her answer, and after market equipment or not, she's got my respect. He never will.

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:22 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Which has nothing to do with gay men judging female beauty pageants... I already stated that I disagree with this question being asked in the first place, so why are you bringing this up when the tangent was about female beauty?

The 'tangent' ? Well, it WAS the Miss USA contest. I think female beauty is sort of implied.

I'm confused.

The thread's subject is the question she was asked and the result.

The tangent we went on to discuss was the concept of who gets to judge female beauty.

You said that gay men shouldn't be allowed to judge it, I disagreed, and... then you suddenly abandoned that tangent to return to the original subject.

I called you on it and your answer now doesn't respond to that at all. "Female beauty is implied" is kind of a non-answer when the tangent was about who gets to judge female beauty.

So, to make it easy, let's just get back to the original tangent:

I disagree that gay men cannot judge female beauty.

Now you can either reply to that statement, which was a reaction to your original statement, or you can leave it be.

Just please no more confusing non-answers.

ETA: Just to clarify what I mean by tangent.
to go off on a tangent: to pursue a somewhat related or irrelevant course while neglecting the main subject

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:28 PM

Yeah, on the face of it, a gay man judging a female beauty contest does seem a bit oxymoronic, imo. Sure, if the person is in the field of fashion, fitness or some other particular area related to the contest, I suppose it's not big deal. But the gay judge was just that. GAY. Hes there as a celeb, and had no real business being there other than he's an outspoken gay man. And that's what we got.

Clear enough now ?

WULFENSTAR

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:43 PM

Its really simple.

The PC thugs have been working for a very long time to outlaw words or views that they think are "wrong".

PC people are just Nazis in disguise. We live in a free country, where you have the right to your views, beliefs and to speak about them however you want.

So what have we learned here today folks?

ETA: "It did cost me my crown," Prejean continued. "It is a very touchy subject and [Hilton] is a homosexual, and I see where he was coming from and I see the audience would've wanted me to be more politically correct. But I was raised in a way that you can never compromise your beliefs and your opinions for anything."

This chick is hot.

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, on the face of it, a gay man judging a female beauty contest does seem a bit oxymoronic, imo. Sure, if the person is in the field of fashion, fitness or some other particular area related to the contest, I suppose it's not big deal. But the gay judge was just that. GAY. Hes there as a celeb, and had no real business being there other than he's an outspoken gay man. And that's what we got.

Clear enough now ?

So if he was a heterosexual guy without any fashion or fitness background, he'd be allowed to judge because he wouldn't be gay?

Why do you think gay men can't judge female beauty? Do you think female beauty must be tied to sexual attraction? Do you only consider people and things beautiful that you are sexually attracted to?

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:50 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

So what have we learned here today folks?

I don't think anyone here learned anything because apparently everyone in this thread already agreed that asking this question was out of line for the occasion.

What's with the smug tone?

WULFENSTAR

Friday, April 24, 2009 1:52 PM

Btw, this more a question of free speech and PC politics.

Not whether or not her views are correct.

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, April 24, 2009 3:45 PM

Gay men can judge...just not that gay man. He's a jerk. He's always been a jerk and always will be a jerk. He has no concept of judging policies and procedures. You don't give a zero. Especially if the person kept their cool and did not stutter or trip. He was a bad judge. I'm not saying she should have won. I'm saying she was misjudged.

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www.thatweirdgirl.com

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 24, 2009 4:14 PM

Gay men hate women. Mommy made them wear a dress. That's why they're gay.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 24, 2009 4:33 PM

She's FOR gay marriage and looks _______ in a bathing suit.

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
She's FOR gay marriage and looks _______ in a bathing suit.

The word you're lookng for is "normal".

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 24, 2009 4:40 PM

And she is for gay marriage, hates Republicans, and doesn't believe there are any terrorists.... she is one smokin' hot baddass lady!

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 4:45 PM

Okay, this may be a difficult concept for you to understand, I don't know where you grew up, so let me try to explain.

People age.

When they are young, they look differently from how they look when they are old. And in between you see them change from one point to the other in slow-moving stages.

Also, and this may surprise you, one's opinion on gay marriage has actually no influence on how one looks in a bikini. I know, a disappointment, but you may just have to go back to sit-ups to get that beach figure this summer.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, April 24, 2009 5:40 PM

Ummm, I lol'd at the HillBillary pic.

Its sort of how an ugly person looks better with a good personality....and a pretty person looks terrible with a bad personality.

ETA: I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw Hillary in a swimming suit...thanks a lot Jong.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
People age.
When they are young, they look differently from how they look when they are old.

Like Barbara Bush for example :

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Gay men can judge...just not that gay man. He's a jerk. He's always been a jerk and always will be a jerk. He has no concept of judging policies and procedures. You don't give a zero. Especially if the person kept their cool and did not stutter or trip. He was a bad judge.

TWG sums it all up in a neat package.

The laughing Chrisisall

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, April 24, 2009 8:18 PM

NPH should be a judge. I'd let him judge my bikini contest. Heck, I would've let Jim J judge a bikini contest. Perez is a wannabe poser asshat who is famous for picking on people.

I currently live in NC, so I'm cool claiming the the crown for our state. I'm glad Trump has come out to support Miss CA's actions. Don't care for him much, but it seems like he realizes Perez was a bad judge.

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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
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www.thatweirdgirl.com

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Btw, this more a question of free speech and PC politics.

Yeah, and I think that if they wanted a certain answer to their question, a script should have been provided.
PC actually MEANT something when it was born- now it's grown into a monster.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 9:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Btw, this more a question of free speech and PC politics.

Not whether or not her views are correct.

But seemingly whether or not HIS views are correct. I notice you don't seem to be standing up for HIS right of free speech and right to say whatever he wants, no matter whether it agrees with YOUR "PC" version of reality.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 9:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Gay men can judge...just not that gay man. He's a jerk. He's always been a jerk and always will be a jerk. He has no concept of judging policies and procedures. You don't give a zero. Especially if the person kept their cool and did not stutter or trip. He was a bad judge. I'm not saying she should have won. I'm saying she was misjudged.

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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown
www.thatcostumegirl.com
www.thatweirdgirl.com

Bingo. That's more on-target. I don't care if a gay man judges a female beauty pageant. Like I said before, way at the beginning of this discussion, I don't know any straight men who watch these pageants, so if men are going to be judging, it's a pretty safe bet that they're going to be gay men, at least some of them.

Perez Hilton is an idiot, pure and simple. Doesn't matter if he's gay or straight, he's a douchebag.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, April 24, 2009 9:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Gay men hate women. Mommy made them wear a dress. That's why they're gay.

So did your mommy dress you like a Jew, or what?

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 24, 2009 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

So if he was a heterosexual guy without any fashion or fitness background, he'd be allowed to judge because he wouldn't be gay?

Why do you think gay men can't judge female beauty? Do you think female beauty must be tied to sexual attraction? Do you only consider people and things beautiful that you are sexually attracted to?

This wasn't Dick Buttons calling women's Olympic ice skating, where he's obviously qualified. No, this was a gay activist blogger who asked a polarizing question which was clearly intended to make a political statement, regardless of how any contestant answered. I sorta don't care either way, about the contest, but the politicizing of it does kinda annoy.

Look, TWG put it out there well enough. It's not that he's GAY, but that he's THAT gay guy. Gay Activist Blogger is on par w/ former baseball pitcher and famous bigot, John Rocker. They're the opposite sides of the same ridiculous coin.

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 24, 2009 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Gay men hate women. Mommy made them wear a dress. That's why they're gay.

So did your mommy dress you like a Jew, or what?

*PRESENTS AWARD FOR FRIDAY'S FUNNIEST POST*

The laughing Chrisisall

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Look, TWG put it out there well enough. It's not that he's GAY, but that he's THAT gay guy. Gay Activist Blogger is on par w/ former baseball pitcher and famous bigot, John Rocker. They're the opposite sides of the same ridiculous coin.

So why did you imply before that there is something questionable about gay men judging female beauty contests in general?

Did you just phrase it wrong before or are backtracking now?

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 24, 2009 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

So why did you imply before that there is something questionable about gay men judging female beauty contests in general?

Did you just phrase it wrong before or are backtracking now?

Because, well, he's gay ? And it's a beauty pageant? For chicks ?

AGENTROUKA

Friday, April 24, 2009 11:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

So why did you imply before that there is something questionable about gay men judging female beauty contests in general?

Did you just phrase it wrong before or are backtracking now?

Because, well, he's gay ? And it's a beauty pageant? For chicks ?

So you maintain than gay guys can't/shouldn't judge female beauty pageants?

Then let me ask you again: do you only consider people and things beautiful that you are sexually attracted to?

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 24, 2009 11:46 PM

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So you maintain than gay guys can't/shouldn't judge female beauty pageants?

I maintain that I find it unusual. Why we still fussin' over this ? But not being a big fan of such pageants, I suppose I really find it unusual that bigoted, small minded gay men who are jealous of beautiful women would even want to be a judge in a Ms USA pageant.

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Then let me ask you again: do you only consider people and things beautiful that you are sexually attracted to?

People AND THINGS ? Hey now, Raptor don't swing that way.

The horse is dead. No sense in continuing the beating.

AGENTROUKA

Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
So you maintain than gay guys can't/shouldn't judge female beauty pageants?
I maintain that I find it unusual. Why we still fussin' over this ?

Because I find it extremely curious to even question a gay man's ability to judge female beauty, is why. It implies that female beauty is entirely related to their sexual attrativeness in the eyes of heterosexual men. Which I vehemently disagree with.

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But not being a big fan of such pageants, I suppose I really find it unusual that bigoted, small minded gay men who are jealous of beautiful women would even want to be a judge in a Ms USA pageant.

What gives you the impression that he is jealous of beautiful women?

Quote:

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Then let me ask you again: do you only consider people and things beautiful that you are sexually attracted to?

People AND THINGS ? Hey now, Raptor don't swing that way.

The horse is dead. No sense in continuing the beating.

It's not dead until I've received an actual answer.

Sunset - beautiful? (Just to give an example of "things".)

Your mother - beautiful?
Your children - beautiful?
Your sister - beautiful?
Very good female friend - beautiful?

All these things a gay man would be able to judge as beautiful, even though he wouldn't be sexually attracted to them.

Saying gay men can't judge female beauty is ridiculous and implies kind of a sad view of female beauty.

Is my point.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:22 AM

I'm not backing down on this, sorry. I find it odd that a random gay guy would be asked to judge a beauty contest. I just do. It's not so much ability as interest. How you don't get that, is a bit beyond me.

This guy is clearly jealous. He sees her as a threat. He's small minded like that, it's clear from the very words he uses later on.

I've given you an answer several times. And now I'm done.

Thanks!

KWICKO

Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:49 AM

Quote:
He's small minded like that, it's clear from the very words he uses later on.

So when you use such words, it's to be taken as proof of your small-mindedness, is it? Is that what you're saying?

RUE

Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:55 AM

Well, let's try to find the equivalent and see if it works:

gay guy <=> straight female

So, as a straight female I'm completely unable to tell if a gay guy looks good along the lines of social expectations !

Is that what you're trying to say Rap ?

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Well, let's try to find the equivalent and see if it works:

gay guy <=> straight female

So, as a straight female and I'm completely unable to tell if a gay guy looks good along the lines of social expectations !

Is that what you're trying to say Rap ?

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

And, of course, the implied flip-side of that: If you're a straight man, you simply are not equipped to EVER say that another man is handsome or attractive. That seems to be the presumptive logic at work in Rappy's head.

OPPYH

Saturday, April 25, 2009 5:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
He's a jerk. He's always been a jerk and always will be a jerk. He has no concept of judging policies and procedures. You don't give a zero.

Yeah, he is complete and utter mystery to me. The fact that he makes his living ripping on celebrities and becomes a pseudo celebrity for this in the process? He's not a comedian, he is just some one who constantly rants.

I don't understand it. Maybe he will be on Dancing with the Stars next year.

AGENTROUKA

Saturday, April 25, 2009 7:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm not backing down on this, sorry. I find it odd that a random gay guy would be asked to judge a beauty contest. I just do. It's not so much ability as interest. How you don't get that, is a bit beyond me.

I would assume it's because he's not going there to get turned on, but because he likes participating in the competition this way. Possibly because he was asked. Possibly for the same reason any woman would be a judge on this thing.

How that doesn't even enter your mind is a bit beyond me.

Quote:

This guy is clearly jealous. He sees her as a threat. He's small minded like that, it's clear from the very words he uses later on.

Good God. He may see her as a threat (and misguidedly take it out on her) but hardly because he's jealous.

Do you think all conflict between people who share an attraction to men must be about jealousy over those men?

WHY would he a gay man be jealous of a straight woman? They're not even after the same men!

I'll just have to take these words as an indication of some small-mindedness in you. It makes me a little sad because I'd hoped you'd at some point go "Oh wait, this attitude I have about gay people and women is kinda iffy."

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I've given you an answer several times. And now I'm done.

Thanks!

You hadn't. But you have now. And yes, thanks.