Breaking news - Obama admin will NOT press charges of 'TORTURE' on CIA agents.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Thursday, April 23, 2009 21:59
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HKC ?
I believe Obama's probably takin Biden's advice regarding our off-leash alphabet goons, which is very likely what I commented on several times elsewhere, wait till things are firmly in hand, and the american public is distracted, and then paint the fucking walls with the bastards, nice and quietly, till they get the message about who's in charge.
I do suspect that'll be his undoing however, since the Democratic party never really was interested in stopping these abuses, lip-service aside - they didn't truly want to tighten up the leash, not one bit, they just wanted to be the ones holding it, I said as much time and time again, particularly before and even after the tide-turn in congress and them rolling over and playing dead despite running on a platform of promising to put a stop to this crap.
There's other wheels turning here though, which I can't go into just yet - but folks are fed up with that bunch of alphabet goons spending all their resources abusing their protectees to the point where they seem unwilling or unable to do their officially assigned job.
The tide WILL turn, history proves that beyond all doubt, and when it comes, it'll be a tsunami, for a fact.
I only hope that we as a nation and a people survive it's impact.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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rappy: I'll help you out a bit with those facts which seem to be so elusive for you:
1) It's not that Saddam kept his WMD secret. That's like hiding an Easter basket that doesn't exist. 
But I'll clarify your statement for you, which is more along the lines of what I THINK you wanted to say: He kept his WMD STATUS a secret. If you had said that, I would have agreed with ya!
2) Now, as far as targeting "conservatives" goes... I don't know if conservatives are being targeted. I rather doubt it. However, I wouldn't be surprised if extremists are being targeted... the kind that say "Let's kill all the wetbacks!" and "Let's get our guns and march on the White House!" (Which BTW is not protected speech).
What I find especially troubling is this:
Quote:Once you support internal warrantless spying (as YOU did rappy) you have started down a very dangerous road. But I'm glad that you get to see the fruits of your choices within your lifetime. I just hope you learn that doesn't matter if its BUSH doing it, or Obama... although I doubt that you will EVER realize that ALL parties have to be held to the same standard of behavior.
Times reporters James Risen and Eric Lichtblau -- who broke the story of the Bush administration's domestic spying program in December 2004 -- reported that "in recent months," the NSA has engaged in an "overcollection" of domestic communication, far exceeding the already broad legal limits Congress established when it passed legislation to legalize the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program and granting immunity for the telecoms that enabled it. The same article reveals that in 2005 or 2006, the NSA attempted to wiretap an unidentified member of Congress, lending further credence to speculation earlier this year by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., that he might have been spied on.
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Originally (mis)posted by AuRaptor:
Then you'll be exactly like the terrorist who we've been fighting against
Again, I must ask: Which one? You keep stating that all this torture, all this fighting, all this invading and occupying, it's all due to ONE TERRORIST that we're fighting against. Which one? Which terrorist? Who's the bogeyman that's got you cowering under your little racecar bed?
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Again, funny, because I've never called for any of you assholes to be water boarded based on your POLITICAL VIEWS, but that is EXACTLY what you're promoting here. Just like the Taliban. Don't AGREE with them, TORTURE!!
Actually, you couldn't possibly be more wrong - as usual. If you'll look back at my past posts on the matter, for as long as you care to look back, you'll find that I've consistently been AGAINST torture! Why? Simple - because what your government will do to "terrorists" today, it will do to "citizens" tomorrow - unless someone calls them on it and stomps their collective head in over it.
What I've pointed out here is that it is YOU who has had NO PROBLEM AT ALL with torture, no matter who was involved or why, as long as it wasn't you or yours. But now that radical conservative fascists like you find themselves in the crosshairs, they're VERY concerned about unfair treatment. How very convenient for you and your brand of occasional patriots.
You didn't give two shits about the Constitution while your butt-buddy Bush was shitting all over it, but now you want to come begging ME to protect you and protect the Constitution - little realizing that that's EXACTLY what we've been trying to do for the last EIGHT FUCKING YEARS!
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yep. That's right. I used the word 'assholes'. Because you deserved it. I've been insult free for a while now, even in the face of some of the most ridiculous and mindless vile hurled my way, trying to have more reasoned, mature and productive discussions on this board. But you on the Left simply won't have any of it. It simply is beyond your capability.
Trust me, boy - I've been called much worse than an "asshole", and by a much better class of people than someone like you.
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Iraq , for so many reasons, was a noble cause.
Unfortunately for you and the Bush Administration, none of those were the reasons cited for invasion and occupation...
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
I do not buy into arguments by Obama detractors/Bush supporters that this action proves that Torture wasn't Torture.
I do not buy into arguments by a myriad of confused souls that this action proves that there is no difference between Bush and Obama.
What I do buy is that this action is a promise to future lawbreakers that it's okay to break the law and violate basic human rights, so long as you are under orders to do so.
The Nuremberg trials were meant to establish the opposite premise - that saying 'I was under orders' is NOT a defense to misconduct. But apparently such precedents are now passe'.
This is the second time (in my opinion) that Obama has failed to do something that he SHOULD be doing. I am not particularly angry at the man when he talks about an Assault Weapons Ban, because I understood that his thinking was flawed in that regard. It was an evil I accepted when I cast my vote for the 'lesser evil.'
What sits bitterly in my mouth is when Obama fails to do something that his own morality should compel him to do. Democrats, Liberals, these are the people I rely on to preserve MOST of the Bill of Rights. Save that niggling Second Amendment.
But Obama let the telecommunication spying go unanswered, and now he's let torture go unanswered.
No, he does not earn guilt for Bush's actions when he makes this misstep. Rather, he earns guilt for all future violators. Because now he has broadcast the message, "Whatever your Chief says is okay. Do not hesitate in the performance of your duty."
Which is, like, the opposite of what I envision the American ideal to be.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
Thank you for that, Anthony. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I find this action by Obama abhorrent, as I do his inaction on warrantless wiretapping. It deeply disappoints me.
However, what seemingly EVERYBODY seems to have missed here is that Obama has said he won't go after the interrogators themselves for doing what they were clearly told was legal for them to do. He has said nothing at all about whether or not he'll go after THOSE WHO GAVE THE ORDERS. So it IS conceivable that he could let the people go who actually tortured people, and nail those to the wall who wrote the memo telling them it was okay to do so.
Personally, I'll be disappointed if that's all he does, but heartened that he's doing SOMETHING about it at all.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Hello Kwicko,
This has not escaped me. But surely you know it takes even MORE will to go up the chain of command to the top than it does to off a few underlings?
If he doesn't have the will to prune the tree, I have no confidence in his ability to uproot it.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Who exactly did the U.S. torture to cause the 9/11 attacks ?
Must have been something Clinton did to really piss off the terrorist.
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Hello,
U.S. Torture is completely disconnected from any external event. There is no justification for torture. Regardless of circumstances.
Justified torture is for flawed heroes in spy fiction.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Must have been something Clinton did to really piss off the terrorist.
Again, I ask: Which one?
Mike
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2) Now, as far as targeting "conservatives" goes... I don't know if conservatives are being targeted. I rather doubt it. However, I wouldn't be surprised if extremists are being targeted... the kind that say "Let's kill all the wetbacks!" and "Let's get our guns and march on the White House!" (Which BTW is not protected speech).
Or the kind that scream "Torture all the Achmeds!"
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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