Breaking news - Obama admin will NOT press charges of 'TORTURE' on CIA agents.
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UPDATED: Thursday, April 23, 2009 21:59
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You're a complete and total troll. I'm sorry for having wasted my time w/ you Sig. My problem is that while I've been trying to have a sincere and honest dialog, you've been simply playing the contrarian, and making light of this entire message board exercise.
I gave you a specific example from the actual report, showed you what it says, and you simply want to believe what you want. "Screw the Facts ", that's your motto.
Nothing you post is in the least bit honest or sincere. If I said the sky was blue, you'd call it orange and then say I was a liar.
I'm done w/ this game.
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CIA torture exemption 'illegal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8006597.stm
Mr Obama has banned the use of controversial interrogation techniques
US President Barack Obama's decision not to prosecute CIA agents who used torture tactics is a violation of international law, a UN expert says.
The UN special rapporteur on torture, Manfred Nowak, says the US is bound under the UN Convention against Torture to prosecute those who engage in it.
Mr Obama released four "torture memos" outlining harsh interrogation methods sanctioned by the Bush administration.
Mr Nowak has called for an independent review and compensation for victims.
"The United States, like all other states that are part of the UN convention against torture, is committed to conducting criminal investigations of torture and to bringing all persons against whom there is sound evidence to court," Mr Nowak told the Austrian daily Der Standard.
The memos revealed by Mr Obama approved techniques including simulated drowning, week-long sleep deprivation, forced nudity, and the use of painful positions.
Torture trials
Mr Obama on Thursday said he would not prosecute under anti-torture laws CIA personnel who relied in good faith on Bush administration legal opinions issued after the 11 September attacks.
Insect: Harmless insect to be placed with suspect in 'confinement box', suspect to be told the insect would sting. Approved for Abu Zubaydah, but not used
Walling: Detainee slammed repeatedly into false wall to create sound and shock
Sleep deprivation: Detainee shackled stading up. Used often, once for 180 hours
Mr Nowak - who is due to travel to Washington to meet with officials - said that could be a mitigating factor, but does not absolve those involved.
"The fact that you carried out an order doesn't relieve you of your responsibility," he was quoted as saying by AP news agency.
Mr Nowak, an Austrian law professor, said US courts could still try those suspected of carrying out torture, as Mr Obama has not sought an amnesty law for affected CIA personnel.
He called for an investigation by an independent commission before suspects were tried and said it was important that all victims receive compensation.
Human rights groups have criticised President Obama's decision to protect CIA interrogators, saying charges were necessary to prevent future abuses and hold people accountable.
President Obama banned the use of the controversial interrogation techniques in his first week in office.
" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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I assume the producers of FEAR FACTOR will be brought up on International Torture crimes by the end of next week, right ?
Right.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I assume the producers of FEAR FACTOR will be brought up on International Torture crimes by the end of next week, right ?
Right.
While I am sure you would feel at home in a box of snakes, others would disagree
Besides aren't you the one saying " international law " and " UN " when you think it fits your positions... Now you are belittling these things when it doesn't?
" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I assume the producers of FEAR FACTOR will be brought up on International Torture crimes by the end of next week, right ?
Right.
Hello,
I assume contestants on Fear Factor volunteer for the procedures used, and have the option of leaving at any time.
Right?
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:What, no proof for any of your points? Shoot, man, all I'm doing is what YOU do when you meet a fact you don't like: ask for proof. And, I promise, unlike YOU, if you come up with a bona-fide fact ... I'll actually take it into account.
sincere and honest dialog
Quote:No, I've simply been asking you to back up your paranoid statements about... well, a lot of things. Dodd and Frank. Saddam. The DHS. Obama.
you've been simply playing the contrarian
I've got issues with some of the same peeps you do, but - unlike you- I feel that I actually have a reason. So far, all you've got is diddly.
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
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See? Change HAS come to America! :)
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/17/2254255
The Obama Administration is clearly much less tolerant towards these illegal activities than Bush was (of course, that should not come as a surprise, as Bush himself was a huge proponent of these abuses taking place).
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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Obama's inaction is profoundly troubling. And at the same time, he seems to be a man who plays very dangerous games pretty well. He's got some serious limitations at this point in the game. You do not piss off the CIA, f'rinstance (ask JFK). You do not let the right wing turn the prosecution of war crimes into a political joke.
I can only hope now, that Obama is playing rope-a-dope again, as he did so deftly with Hillary in the campaign. Back then, he was criticized by all and sundry for not fighting back, for being too nice, for not calling Hills on her shit. But he didn't retaliate until she'd dug her hole so deep she couldn't climb out again, and even though he "went negative," he was largely given a pass because Hillary had already made such an ass of herself. It was brilliantly played, and won him the nomination. And when we all wanted him to take Palin apart, he never did. He just let her sputter and fall under the weight of her own incompetence.
He COULD be playing a similar game now. He could be waiting until the right moment, waiting until public opinion, world opinion is squarely on his side, giving him no choice but to do the right thing, because the last thing this country needs right now is a politicized battle over our right to torture our enemy du jour played out for all the world to see.
That's what all this would be about if he were really, really smart. I voted for him on the pretext that he was really, really smart. And I have yet to discover that he is not indeed really, really smart.
I freakin' hope that he's really, really smart.
God help us all, if he isn't.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Well, this is a fine mess. But I look at it this way. To press charges on CIA officials for carrying out the Bush Agenda would open up a can of worms that maybe we really don't want to expose. That would mean possibly calling the former prez to the witness stand to testify as to who, what, when, where, etc. This would include Cheney (The Phantom Menace) and Rove (Darth Maul), as well as Rumsfeld (Count Dooku).
Is this the history that Bush was talking about before leaving office? Do we really want to do this and shine a spotlight on this ugly stage in American History? The eroding of our Constitutional rights, liberties and freedoms. The fear mongering, the torture (remember the torture). There's more to this than meets the eye.
SGG
Tawabawho?
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SGG, that's exactly what folk said after Nixon, which I feel indirectly lead to Kennedy eating a bullet, and DID in fact lead directly to the most recent Bush administration.
Look at the names, fer cryin out loud, Rumsfeld for example was one of the ones roadblocking the Church Committee, with the help of Shrubs daddy.
Every time we play the peace and forgiveness card, every time we let these fuckers slink back into the darkness instead of swingin from a rope, 12-15 years later, we go through this shit AGAIN, and pay even more dearly for it, and like waves crashing on a beach as the tide rises, each time brings us that much closer to final destruction of our nation and our people - and we never do manage to fully retake the ground we lose each time.
Do we never learn anything ?
I say we FINISH THE DAMN JOB, root em out, down to the last damn flunky, cause like roaches, if you don't get em all yer just wasting your time, and then try them for their crimes in a proper court of law, something they not give us the benefit of had they a chance - to show clear and proper the difference between us and them, and for the guilty ?
Well, if it's good enough for Saddam, it's good enough for them, right ?
Do you really want our children, and the children of our children, to live through the same kind of nightmare all over again after it's had a decade and more to fester ?
Do we really want to make the same mistake, AGAIN ?
I don't.
I say we finish the goddamn job, myself.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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