What's changed since the door hit Bush in the butt?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, April 17, 2009 20:23
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CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly

...torture is once again officially unacceptable, a date is set to withdraw from Iraq, official attitudes towards Cuba are relaxing, Gitmo is disappearing, we have a President that uses constructive language towards peeps of other cultures, our world cred has increased....no, it's not all the same excepting the recession, Finn.

Comments? Discussion?

The laughing Chrisisall

YINYANG

Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:20 PM

What's changed since Bush? Not enough.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=report_card_on_civil_liber
ties

Quote:
Interrogation: Change we can believe in.

Rendition: Change for the better, but questions remain.

Enemy Combatants/Detention Authority: More of the same.

Military Commissions: Inconclusive.

State Secrets: More of the same.

Surveillance: Cheney on Red Bull.

General Disclosure: Inconclusive.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:
What's changed since Bush? Not enough.

So where's all this fear & dispondence in right wing peeps coming from? If it's mostly same ole same ole, why the Chicken Little routine? Why so anti-Obama where they used to be so Pro-Bush if there aren't real substantive differences in SOP?

The laughing Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:32 PM

I can't speak for the right wing, as I'm firmly in the 'wrong-wing' camp, but the civil liberties stuff is very disappointing. Not that I expected much different. Precious few leaders will reduce their power voluntarily.

However, I'm pretty happy with a lot of what Obama's done. It's been mostly superficial, but we sure needed the facelift.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

YINYANG

Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So where's all this fear & dispondence in right wing peeps coming from? If it's mostly same ole same ole, why the Chicken Little routine? Why so anti-Obama where they used to be so Pro-Bush if there aren't real substantive differences in SOP?

I think maybe they're just sore losers.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:

I think maybe they're just sore losers.

Shirley Knott!

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
...torture is once again officially unacceptable,

It never was "acceptable", and we didn't TORTURE. Even Obama thinks so. ( At least, in a legal sense )

Quote:
a date is set to withdraw from Iraq, official attitudes towards Cuba are relaxing, Gitmo is disappearing, we have a President that uses constructive language towards peeps of other cultures, our world cred has increased....no, it's not all the same excepting the recession, Finn.

Comments? Discussion?

The laughing Chrisisall

Gitmo is still open, we won't be leaving Iraq whole sale, we'll still have a significant presence there, the world's leaders are showing us a total lack of reciprocity to Barry's show of weakness .....

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
we dind't TORTURE.

Troll

RIPWASH

Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:

I think maybe they're just sore losers.
Shirley Knott!

The laughing Chrisisall

Hey, at least WE'RE not suffering from Post Election Depression like some were experiencing 4 years ago.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
...torture is once again officially unacceptable,
It never was "acceptable", and we didn't TORTURE. Even Obama thinks so. ( At least, in a legal sense )

And with that, my days of taking you seriously (politically anyway) have come to an END.
Thanks for playing.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
we dind't TORTURE.

Troll

Troll identifier.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:11 PM

Blame the messenger for the message you don't like ?

Wow.

I mean.... just wow.

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Hey, at least WE'RE not suffering from Post Election Depression like some were experiencing 4 years ago.

No, the economy is doing that for all of us

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Blame the messenger for the message you don't like ?

The message is the message; it is you I don't like.
Sorry, you practically begged for that one.

You're just too partisan for me to take at all seriously anymore, dude.

The laughing Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
I can't speak for the right wing, as I'm firmly in the 'wrong-wing' camp, but the civil liberties stuff is very disappointing. Not that I expected much different. Precious few leaders will reduce their power voluntarily.

You know what, I've been thinking of trying to go into politics here. The more I think about it the more I want to do it and the more I think it would be a bad idea. But the main object of my ire is the whole CCTV and ID card nonsense the government is considering (plus MP expenses, David Cameron claimed £160,000 pounds expenses last year).

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

You know what, I've been thinking of trying to go into politics here.

Forever will it dominate your destiny...

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34 PM

dude.

I don't care if you loathe me or not, but to see you ignore reality like this, based on such irrelevant factors , does disappoint, I will say in all truthiness. I had you pegged as better than that, above.

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:37 PM

Well, there seem to be a whole lot more yahoos clutchin their guns and hopin for a civil war.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Forever will it dominate your destiny...

Tell me about it. But I'm board of the Labour - Conservative see saw. Conservatives fuck up the country, labour gets in. They fuck up the country. Conservatives get in. They fuck up the country. Lib Dems say "give us a chance" and they're ignored (they should be, they haven't a clue).

Maybe just if someone could get into the house of commons and live during the parliamentary debate say stuff like "do we need expense accounts that double our salary, really?" it could make an impact.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I had you pegged as better than that, above.

I'm here to disappoint, yo.

Don't mean to be consistent or nuthin',

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:

I think maybe they're just sore losers.
Shirley Knott!

The laughing Chrisisall

Hey, at least WE'RE not suffering from Post Election Depression like some were experiencing 4 years ago.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

You sure? You might want to have a look at Jongsstraw, Jewelstaitefan, and a few others; they certainly seem to be suffering from SOME kind of derangement and delusion!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

RIPWASH

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:40 PM

Maybe . . . but not Depression. LOL

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Maybe . . . but not Depression. LOL

I dunno, it seems somewhat bipolar.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:46 PM

I think it's caused by eating sour grapes...

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I think it's caused by eating sour grapes...

The laughing Chrisisall

Or crow...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:23 PM

KWICKO

Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

CROW!!!

I *miss* Crow T. Robot...

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, April 17, 2009 12:30 AM

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Well, there seem to be a whole lot more yahoos clutchin their guns and hopin for a civil war.

Yep, and if it comes to it, turning their ignorance, intolerance, and downright stupid gullibility on them in such a way as to turn them into a circular firing squad will make me squeal with giddy delight like a schoolgirl with free front row boy band tickets.

Hell, I may even riverdance.

Only thing imma feel when they start mowing each other down over one or the other not being extreme/intolerant enough, is satisfaction.
*glares pointedly at certain factions of the MI militia*

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 17, 2009 3:26 AM

Obama wants Soviet-style govt-owned news media, with licensed journalists
www.infowars.com/obama-appointee-wants-soviet-styled-media/

Journalist arrested for not having a journalist license at news media award ceremony in USA
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37833

KANEMAN

Friday, April 17, 2009 8:23 PM

I know we spend more. And I think we are only left with the "change" Obama promised. Well, it just seems that way to me. I'm not seeing any great change sweeping the nation. However, I do see a lot of Czars being named. I'm pretty sure it's just Obama's way of usurping congress. Seems like the same kind of bullshit Bush/Cheney would try. But it is early.....