Texas looking to Secede. Or Succeed. It's hard to tell, but be ready either way!

POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 16:44
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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:09 AM

http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=4328162

Enough is enough.

The next revolution is coming.

Be ready.

RUE

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:14 AM

So, are the warnings about right-wing militias valid ? Or is that just an administration lie ?

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Silence is consent.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:29 AM

Rue,

They are VERY valid.

Sure, make fun, ignore, say that they are fringe elements, whatever...

The line is being drawn in the sand.

I, personally, always believed that the first stand would come from our great state of Texas.

Sig always talks about the benefit of a large group of people making a single step in any direction.

Here we are.

RUE

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:30 AM

I wasn't saying it was a hose job. That was Rap.

Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37796

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Silence is consent.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:38 AM

I ignore, usually, the hooting of politicians.

However, this governor, is actually making sense.

"We didn't like oppression then, we don't like oppression now."

States rights, now. And forever more.

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:43 AM

That's encouraging to be sure. I visited the Texas State Capitol a couple of years ago and was struck by the independent nature. The state seal prominently displayed shows the flags of the six nations that have flown over Texas. It seems to underline the notion that national sovereignty is a temporal thing, as though they are currently a member of the US, but that could change.

I'd like to see more states take this attitude. I think that was what the FF expected and were counting on to keep the proper balance. Over the years, developments like the Civil War and expanded federal taxation, especially through income tax, have tipped the balance to the point that most states can't exercise their power effectively. The result is an overblown Federal Government that operates unchecked, primarily on behalf of its corporate sponsors.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:47 AM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/does-perrys-support-of-10th-amendment-bill
-make-him-a-dangerous-right-wing-extremist.html

Sorry, had to post that last one to point out how stupid the fed government it...

ECGORDON

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:59 AM

I've been saying for many years that it was a mistake for us to have ever joined the Union, and we made that mistake twice.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:08 AM

Wouldnt it be great if all of the states joined together and threw out the states like NY, California? Or at least the people who infect...er...I mean inhabit them?

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:08 AM

Is this the same Governor Rick Perry who wanted the "state's right" to require HPV vaccines for adolescent girls, despite some rather extreme side effects of those vaccines?

Oh, and he tried to railroad that program through the state legislature, and the head of the pharmaceutical company that makes the vaccine just happens to be a personal friend and one of his biggest contributors.

Are you talking about THAT Rick Perry? Yeah, he seems to be real big on individual rights. Mostly he believes you have the "right" to do what he tells you to do.

Stop cleaning your guns and stop packing your suitcases, Wulfy; Texas ain't gonna secede any time soon. Wanna put $100 on it? I'll put $100 on it that Texas will still be part of the union on January 20, 2012, and that Texas will still be taking that government money and spending those federal dollars. Whattaya say, Wulf? Wanna put your money where your heart is?

Perry's term is up in 2010. He's facing some challengers in his bid to take an unprecedented third term as Texas governor, from the likes of fellow Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison, Secession Party candidate Larry Kilgore, possibly from self-proclaimed "Texas Jewboy" Kinky Friedman as an Independent, among others. Perry is actually pretty vulnerable this time around, since his mentor George W. Bush isn't really setting any fund-raising records at any appearances right now.

This "Texas Secede" movement is going to amount to what it's always amounted to: a fart in a windstorm.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:15 AM

Way to try and kill my buzz...

But, we'll see.

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is this the same Governor Rick Perry who wanted the "state's right" to require HPV vaccines for adolescent girls, despite some rather extreme side effects of those vaccines?

The very same. hehe. I ain't sayin' I trust him.

Quote:
I'll put $100 on it that Texas will still be part of the union on January 20, 2012, and that Texas will still be taking that government money and spending those federal dollars. Whattaya say, Wulf? Wanna put your money where your heart is?...

This "Texas Secede" movement is going to amount to what it's always amounted to: a fart in a windstorm.

I suspect you'll win your bet, assuming there are any takers. But I still like seeing at least some noise made on constitutional grounds. I'll have to dig into this a bit and see what they wrote up, and who actually did it.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:27 AM

I may have been a little overzealous with the titling of this thread...

Still.

TEXAS ROCKS!

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:36 AM

Don't mess w/ Texas

\m/

Mess w/ the bull, get the horns.

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:41 AM

And I confess - I changed the thread title. I only changed one word; I corrected the spelling of "secede".

I'm not trying to kill anyone's buzz. I'm not trying to say that there aren't constitutional grounds to try to put the federal government in its place. I'm not even suggesting that Rick Perry might not mean what he says. But it is awfully convenient that he only says it when a "liberal" is in the White House, and was happy to bow down in subservience to his lord and master for the last eight years, while the federal government got insanely larger and drained Texas, among other states, of some of the best of their young people to send them off to die and be maimed in a needless, unwarranted, unjustified war.

But NOW he's upset with the government.

Personally, I sincerely hope he turns down every cent of bailout money and stimulus money. He won't, of course, but he'll SAY he did. I think he should be held to that. Turn down the money. Wanna secede? Texas has the right to do that; it's written in our state constitution, and it was insisted that we be allowed to vote to secede if we so desired, upon our joining the Union after the Civil War. So turn down every federal dollar, Rick. And good luck with that whole election thing. :)

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:58 AM

Buzz-kill

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:17 AM

Apparently some people really DO just want to watch the world burn...

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Apparently some people really DO just want to watch the world burn...

Front Row Tickets

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:56 AM

(RANT WARNING: Find Cover - disclaimer: May include nuts or nutlike rambling)

WARNING, WARNING, CLASS SIX DISTURBANCE IMMINENT.

I'm prolly about to seriously piss off some Texans here...

But lemme say in my defense that I *DO* know they are as individuals, as varied and different as anyone else, ok ?

But see, I lived there for a while, tried to run a PC repair business too, and I left that state with a seriously bad taste in my mouth about it, and a not-too-kind opinion of Texans as a general whole.

The one thing that struck me so harsh was the abysmal hypocrisy I got to see every day, something very well represented in thier history as far back as 1830, thumbing their nose and sneering at the laws of those who helped em immigrate and settle, then begging for protection against the natives, then using that very protection against the very folk they begged it from.
(Battle of Gonzales/Battle of the Cannon)

And while the courage of the defenders of the Alamo is indeed worthy of note, it wasn't exactly common at the time, nor is it today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_Scrape
Course, the folk at the Alamo didn't have nowhere to run TO, so there's that, also - I do give em this, backin a Texan into a corner is just freakin *askin* for it, no matter how ya slice it.

And how they went about it, start to finish, isn't exactly the kind of behavior one would hold up as any kind of example, mind you, and if they ever truly meant any of that bullshit about secession, they could have pulled it off at the end of the civil war when the aptly name General Slaughter and his buddy Col Ford worked out a cease-fire with the Mexicans and Col T Barret, displaying typical Federalist-Union arrogance, decided to attack Fort Brown against orders because he thought they'd heard of Gen Lees surrender and would throw in the towel quickly...

Whereupon the Confederate Texans SOUNDLY whipped Barrets ass and all but obliterated his forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Palmito_Ranch

Facing a weary and weakened Union primarily concerned with the exploitation of it's new protectorates and the need to fully crush them under it's boot heel (aka the Reconstruction) - all the Texans, and their mostly-intact forces had to do was pull back and force the Union Army to try marching across the blistering wastelands of Texas in high summer, then cut them off from their supply lines and just let them bake out there for a while.

Meanwhile the Mexicans would have backed them not only to piss in the Unions tea, but because while they didn't much like the Texans, with good reason and bad blood between em, they HATED the Union, and it's dangerous imperial ambitions, and would rather have Texas as a buffer zone in between them and the Federalists, since by then enough blood had spilled due to their own brush with the monster behind the facade of Federalism (That being Santa Anna* and his cronies) that they wanted no part of it, a lesson which they failed to remember, and paid dearly for, several times over in their own history.

So having almost perfect-storm chances for secession with a minimum of bloodshed or military force involvement - what do they do ?
Why throw in the towel, quickly and firmly.
And with some rather bizarre legal wranglings relative to that later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

So no, I don't buy that Republic of Texas secession bullshit, cause as soon as the US Army shot so much as a cap pistol at them, they would wet themselves, flee and surrender a little while later.
(only a damn FOOL chases a Texan into a corner, though!)
Kinda like they mostly did in the 1800s.

As for modern Texans, they're all about helping hand and community spirit when THEY need a little help, but suddenly all about DIY and self-reliance when anyone ELSE does, I saw that so often it actually made me ill to think about, at no time more so than dealing with what they laughably refer to as a medical care system, particularly when my assigned providers reaction to a life threatening infection wa

PIRATECAT

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:51 AM

Yeh it's a sad day when the Left makes Glen Beck a radio superstar. I am a right winger. Alot of these neocons are just corporate mouth peices. Beck talks about how great muslim people are and Al Sharpen is his buddy. Libs give me a hard time about listening to Rush, I'm listening to sports radio. I have a head set on and they just assume. Rush and Hannity are hate the working man just as much as jap driven libs with degrees who now are out of cushy jobs thank God. Now they got to work for a liven. O'bama is doing the same thing JFK did and look what happen. The Left does not get it we are not Socialists. There targeting citizens for buying ammo, guns, and websites like stormfront.com. Plus Nazis are libs and socialists. Gay, art types, and the state that is liberal to me. A true conservative comes from poverty works and betters himself independently. When I lived around libs they hated dudes like me. Coast to Coast use to be a Libertarian show, with George Noory he is just another liberal democrat spokesman. Sports radio alot libs in that Dan Patrick with Oberdog, Jim Rome (punk), and Collin Coward (mama's boy). There should be no politics in sport's radio. Czaben with conservative points its sports man, northern virginia boy hard to break. At least Vegas still has the old style give ya sports no drama and odds. So don't believe all these jackasses with high maintenance ole ladies. They don't like you that much anyhoo.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:02 PM

Umm, you DO know that Stormfront is both a hard right hate site, and in fact a Gov sponsored honeypot to collect up useful idiots for their agent provocateurs to set up as patsies, just like Elohim City was, yes ?

Turn over three rocks in the hard-right-hate collective, and you'll find folks on a Government payroll under two of em, if it weren't for the plants and ringers feedin em our goddamn tax money by the shovel-full, that whole movement would have collapsed as utterly as Black Socialism did simply because of its own innate unsustainability.

I mean, a racially motivated hate site, on the INTERNET?

How you gonna tell what ethnicity, color, religion or political bent someone is unless they tell you, and even then most people lie.

Of course, the Govgoons ain't the only ones who can squeeze a little juice out of a honeypot to accomplish their own ends, neither...

And simple minded people blinded by their own prejudices, petty little hatreds and outrages are ever so EASY to manipulate - it's all in knowing where the gears and levers are in their empty little heads, and pulling the right ones.

And since they don't have a single original thought or concept at all in their square, empty little heads, once you can bend one, you can bend em ALL.

And as an added bonus, you don't even have to care what happens to em, cause having surrendered any value that would make me consider them a human being before I even got there, they are of course... completely disposable.

PIRATECAT

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:26 PM

Spoken like a true lib. It must great to be so superior.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:30 PM

Texas seceeding?
Tea Party Protests?

Gimme a break, please! It all sounds like sour election grapes to me. Obama won ( I checked ), and although most of the 58 million who voted for McCain are not very happy these days, I say tough noogies. And for middle-America, moderates, and even old-time Reagan Dems who took a leap of faith with Obama, you all can shut the fuck up. You wanted it, you got it. Now you live with it.

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PirateCat:
Spoken like a true lib. It must great to be so superior.

Oh, it is. Indeed.

I quite highly recommend it.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

STORYMARK

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Rue,

They are VERY valid.

Sure, make fun, ignore, say that they are fringe elements, whatever...

The line is being drawn in the sand.

I, personally, always believed that the first stand would come from our great state of Texas.

Sig always talks about the benefit of a large group of people making a single step in any direction.

Here we are.

And where were they durring the Bush years? Chumps, all of em.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:59 PM

The percentage of douchebags is the same in Texas as it is in NY or Cali. I been there.

The laughing Chrisisall

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:07 PM

Hello,

If I remember my history, (and it has been a while) Texas independence was won by a number of prominent men who fled to the area in order to avoid their obligations and to escape their failures. Some of them were downright jerks.

We are, all of us, sinners.

If any state secedes, it will have as much to worry about from within as from without. 'State Overlords' can be as tyrannical as 'Federal Overlords.'

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
'State Overlords' can be as tyrannical as 'Federal Overlords.'

That'd be why I didn't vote for Unification.

The inipennant Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If any state secedes, it will have as much to worry about from within as from without. 'State Overlords' can be as tyrannical as 'Federal Overlords.'

Yeah, but they'd be at shorter range.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:

Yeah, but they'd be at shorter range.

SergeantX

*pats his Callahan Full-bore Auto-lock*

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:15 PM

Quote:
Enough is enough

Oh... and Wulf?

Aren't you the same guy who got his knickers in a twist about how "they' (foreigners) should leave us the frak alone, and how Saddam had to pay for killing Americans? When, in fact, WE'RE the ones doing the invading and Saddam didn't kill any Americans?

I have no idea what you're all pissed off about, but given your history of going off half-cocked over stuff that hasn't even HAPPENED, you might want to check your pissed-offedness at the door and turn on your brain first.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CANTTAKESKY

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:08 PM

Quote:
If any state secedes, it will have as much to worry about from within as from without. 'State Overlords' can be as tyrannical as 'Federal Overlords.'

--Anthony

Well said.

I also agree it ain't gonna happen, as much as some might talk of it.

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Dr. Horrible Karaoke

CANTTAKESKY

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
That'd be why I didn't vote for Unification.

Gorram right.

Browncoat to the end.

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Dr. Horrible Karaoke

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:32 PM

Oh, for the record, I ain't against secession per se, I just don't think Texas would do it despite their huge amount of smacktalk.

I think if anyone does, it'll happen in New England, especially in one particular area that's built a complete backup infrastructure (not a bad idea in and of itself) in case of that eventuality and being "cut off" by the FedGov.

And Sarge makes a good case related to them being in range to actually reach with an angry mob while they're still pissed off enough to do something about it.

-F

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:59 PM

Oh, and PC ?

What in the name of hell ever possessed you to think that I was a "liberal" in your distorted application of the term ?

Imma Kropotkinist-Anarchist, for crying out loud, a whole different animal from an entirely different spectrum, and on any given day get called a freakin "liberal" by so-called Conservatives AND a freakin "rightist" by so-called Liberals cause I don't play ball with either side.

And I been formulatin plans to use the righty-whitey nutburgers as a blockade against the more unconstitutional and/or counterproductive policies of this administration a year before it even got voted on, since the electors generally make that call long before the public even gets their easily manipulated, un-verifiable (thanks to Diebold and Co) and legally-ignored so-called "vote" - and while the dumb bastards with their fancy cigars and overpriced booze in smoke filled back rooms DO sweep for listening devices, they do it in the FM band, and never once did they unscrew the electrical outlets to see what was behind them, the bloody fools.

I have my own agenda, and as often as not I don't bother tellin folk what it is, and even then you've only got my word for it, which you'd be a damned fool to take on face value.

That said, manipulating a bunch of racist ultraconservative pricks into something they ought to have sense enough to do themselves, if they cared about the Constitution as much as they claim to, doesn't exactly interfere with MY sleep at night, and given that their primary grudge against this administration is cause it's run by someone of color, it's all too easy to rile them up into acting in any capacity whatsoever against it without them even having the slighest awareness of that happening - hell, you could prolly tell em right to their face (as I have here on at least one noteable occasion) and it'd just bounce off their thick damn heads.

And again, once you have voluntarily surrendered the very values that make someone a human being in my eyes, you're just an object, a thing, a tool to be used, manipulated and discarded.

To put not too fine a point on it, you could almost say they VOLUNTEERED, since they willingly surrendered the very skepticism and critical thought processes they'd need to prevent me from winding them up like clockwork toys and sending them forth to do my bidding by convincing them it's their own.

When you hand over the reins of your life like that, it's only a matter of time before someone like me grabs a fistful.

I done TOLD you people, in the end, those powers that mean ill for humanity will unknowingly hand me all that is needed to stomp them into the ground, and in this round they handed me all the shock troops I could possibly have asked for, didn't they now ?

And this especially for you, Wulf.

LEARN from this - I threw this bit not just as a slam, but as an educational bit especially for you, so that you don't wind up victim to the same tricks, and if your morals allow it, can put yourself on the issuing end of em, rather than the receiving end.

Think of our political system like prison sex, if your only choice is top or bottom...

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:39 PM

Frem, it should give me the screaming willies that there are naughty men like you slipping about. Instead, it gives me comfort.

Could be maybe I'm more anarchist than some of y'all thought...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Rue,

They are VERY valid.

Sure, make fun, ignore, say that they are fringe elements, whatever...

The line is being drawn in the sand.

I, personally, always believed that the first stand would come from our great state of Texas.

Sig always talks about the benefit of a large group of people making a single step in any direction.

Here we are.

W-Star: I still haven't seen you site anything substantive that you are against, that is worth killing other Americans over - taxes you don't like? What exactly are you willing to shoot someone over?

I like how they try and use "Founding Fathers" to justify their actions ... I seem to remember something else from the FF...

This gasbag is pissed because there's 49 other states that have rights too - what a cartoon.

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:38 PM

Hello,

I often wonder if one of the states took umbrage, saying, "How come WE have to be the ass end of a snake?!"

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:46 PM

Don't dump those screaming willies yet there Mikey.

Ponder this ugly thought for a moment.
Some of em work for the other side.

-F

PS. I never liked that flag, it reeks of the same kind of "or else!" thinking that got us the Federalists, the Union, and a bloated, rapacious Federal Government that is destructive to Liberty.

Gimme the Gadsden, any day!

STORYMARK

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:33 PM

And now, after all his big talk of seccesion - Gov. Rick Perry is now asking for Federal assistance to deal with the possibility of an outbreak of Swine Flu.

Cute that he wants the Feds outta his state and their business.... untill he wants something.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KWICKO

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:44 PM

Yup, Story - see the "Captain Trips" thread for my li'l rant on just that.

Lucky me - I'm stuck with this prick for governor. First we were stuck with Dubya, and since then we've had Dubya Lite. If Texas doesn't secede, the other 49 maybe oughta get together and kick 'em out...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.