AURaptor, I have a contusion.

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, April 18, 2009 17:45
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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:40 PM

In most areas of your life I am sure you are a dynamic, caring, intelligent individual. But politically, you are a scared little boy that wants Mommy & Daddy to make you safe.
And Mommy is a Capitalist, while Daddy is a Republican.

Say it isn't so.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:08 PM

I never saw your explanation of how I'm suppose to be an " authoritarian " and what the heck you even meant by that.

You never had a mom and dad? Curious.

WHOZIT

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:22 PM

I also have a conclusion, Keith Olberman really is a Douchebag.

STORYMARK

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never saw your explanation of how I'm suppose to be an " authoritarian " and what the heck you even meant by that.

You CAN use a dictionary, can't you?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CITIZEN

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
You CAN use a dictionary, can't you?

You should never assume too much.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never saw your explanation of how I'm suppose to be an " authoritarian " and what the heck you even meant by that.

You CAN use a dictionary, can't you?

Did I ask for an definition? No, I asked CHRIS to explain himself. You're not Chris, are you ?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
You CAN use a dictionary, can't you?

You should never assume too much.

What's the matter fellah? Feelin' left out ? Did someone forget to feed ya your crackers today ?

Goood parrot.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What's the matter fellah? Feelin' left out ? Did someone forget to feed ya your crackers today ?

Goood parrot.

Ok, if you're going to push both your braincells to the limit to woefully attempt to insult me, at least try to make it have some resemblance to reality.

What's the matter? Has Rush Limpdicks cock dried up too much this month so it can't splat todays opinion out for you?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:08 PM

Ahhh , the most base and lewd attempt at humor. Not surprised at that sort, from you. Lacks any level of intellect or original thinking on your part. Par for the course, for you.

I know you're jonesing for some attention, but I don't find you in the least compelling , interesting or worth my time.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ahhh , the most base and lewd attempt at humor. Not surprised at that sort, from you. Lacks any level of intellect or original thinking on your part. Par for the course, for you.

I know you're jonesing for some attention, but I don't find you in the least compelling , interesting or worth my time.

Yet you continue to try to incite an argument. Heh, even there you catch yourself in your own lie.

Maybe if the only insult you had wasn't to describe yourself and then puts someone elses name in front of it, you'd be capable of hitting the mark once in awhile, but I guess not. You just keep tuning into Rush Limbaugh so he can tell you what you think yeah, and don't break a habit of a life time and think for yourself for once, that could cause you some serious injury, AUTroll!

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
I also have a conclusion, Keith Olberman really is a Douchebag.

Awww... and he always says such nice things about you!

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never saw your explanation of how I'm suppose to be an " authoritarian " and what the heck you even meant by that.

We see what we wish to see, it seems.

Heil AURaptor!

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never saw your explanation of how I'm suppose to be an " authoritarian " and what the heck you even meant by that.

We see what we wish to see, it seems.

Heil AURaptor!

The laughing Chrisisall

No, I asked you a simple question, and you can't give a straight forward answer. Just direct me to where you explained your comment, or simply re-state it here.

A reasonable enough request.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:27 AM

I have a conclussion too. Many of you attack Auraptor, becuase it makes you feel more comfortable with your own point of view. Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have a conclussion too. Many of you attack Auraptor, becuase it makes you feel more comfortable with your own point of view. Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

You have a "conclussion"? Did you get hit in the head? (It would explain a lot...)

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You have a "conclussion"? Did you get hit in the head? (It would explain a lot...)

What’s a conclussion? And what does it have to do with anyone’s head?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 3:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You have a "conclussion"? Did you get hit in the head? (It would explain a lot...)
What’s a conclussion? And what does it have to do with anyone’s head?

Danged if *I* know what a "conclussion" is - it's your word, so maybe you could explain it. I thought maybe you were trying to say you had a CONCUSSION, but messed it up a bit - on account of having a concussion, of course!

ANTHONYT

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:24 AM

Hello,

Don't we have enough 'calling AuRaptor out' threads?

'Auraptor, I have questions for you!'

'Auraptor, I have conclusions about you!'

'Auraptor, get your insults here! All you can read!'

I am losing faith in the morally superior majority.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Danged if *I* know what a "conclussion" is - it's your word, so maybe you could explain it. I thought maybe you were trying to say you had a CONCUSSION, but messed it up a bit - on account of having a concussion, of course!

Well it is pretty evident that it was a typo when I wrote it, and most intelligent English speaking people could easily have derived the correct spelling from the context. Yet, somehow you came up with “concussion?”

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KPO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Don't we have enough 'calling AuRaptor out' threads?

'Auraptor, I have questions for you!'

'Auraptor, I have conclusions about you!'

'Auraptor, get your insults here! All you can read!'

I am losing faith in the morally superior majority.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Hats off to him, he's forthcoming with his view of the world even though it sets him up as a target; and even though people frequently interpret his words to mean the worst possible.

Heads should roll

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Danged if *I* know what a "conclussion" is - it's your word, so maybe you could explain it. I thought maybe you were trying to say you had a CONCUSSION, but messed it up a bit - on account of having a concussion, of course!
Well it is pretty evident that it was a typo when I wrote it, and most intelligent English speaking people could easily have derived the correct spelling from the context. Yet, somehow you came up with “concussion?”

Yes, it was pretty evident that it was a typo when you wrote it. Do you not check your work? Do you not take pride in communicating effectively? Most intelligent English-speaking people are capable of turning on Spell-Check, too. Some of them are even capable of using the "Edit" button and fixing their errors.

As for context, for all I know you might have been trying to say you had a concussion. That's one of the hazards of you not being intelligent enough to spell correctly or use acceptable grammar - you lose the ability to effectively communicate your point!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:39 PM

Yeah! And he smells funny too! Now let's all go out for recess!

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
As for context, for all I know you might have been trying to say you had a concussion.

I can believe that.

The addition of a single misplaced “s” completely obscures your ability to understand the text. That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:30 PM

Quote:
That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

Hell, I can lean pretty much anywhere, any time. I absolutely have leaning ability.

And there you go again, not being able to actually write what it is that you THINK you're writing. Keep digging, baby!

Sounds like some kind of retardation, all right, but I'm afraid it's all on your end.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Yeah! And he smells funny too! Now let's all go out for recess!

I have no idea how he smells (through his nose would be my guess), but he can't spell worth a fuck. And there are few things more ironic than someone who can't spell telling others how intelligent they aren't.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
I also have a conclusion, Keith Olberman really is a Douchebag.

hear, hear.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:12 PM

Stop insulting douchebags!

Actually, Olbermann's ok. The other night he was reviewing the roster of MSLSD anchors and said the following :

Chris Mathews : He's the political expert
Rachel Madow : She's the policy wonk
Me : I'm the network asshole

He really did say those things. Only question is why do I know that? I admit I like watching him and his butchy lil' sister Rachel sometimes. They are highly entertaining. The more they use personal attacks, the more I laugh.

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never saw your explanation of how I'm suppose to be an " authoritarian " and what the heck you even meant by that.

We see what we wish to see, it seems.

Heil AURaptor!

The laughing Chrisisall

Jeez, son, anyone who's read a half dozen of your posts knows you're an authoritarian. Your limp protestations mean nothing against the vastly overwhelming bulk of your words.
No, I asked you a simple question, and you can't give a straight forward answer. Just direct me to where you explained your comment, or simply re-state it here.

A reasonable enough request.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:18 PM

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he's forthcoming with his view of the world

I'm not sure its HIS view. I think it's someone else's.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have a conclussion too. Many of you attack Auraptor, becuase it makes you feel more comfortable with your own point of view. Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

Nope. I just genuinely dislike the dude, and think he's a self-deluded hypocritical chump. My own political beleifs are not contigent upon that. But nice try.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:21 PM

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Hats off to him, he's forthcoming with his view of the world even though it sets him up as a target; and even though people frequently interpret his words to mean the worst possible.

Well, in all fairness, the same could be said of Hitler.

It doesn't exactly make it a compliment.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

WASHNWEAR

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

Hell, I can lean pretty much anywhere, any time. I absolutely have leaning ability.

And there you go again, not being able to actually write what it is that you THINK you're writing. Keep digging, baby!

Sounds like some kind of retardation, all right, but I'm afraid it's all on your end.

Mike

Oh, Mike, you scamp - you're incorrigible**!

**"I'm Merriam Webster and I approve this spelling."

W W R D ?
What would Rorschach do?

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have a conclussion too. Many of you attack Auraptor, becuase it makes you feel more comfortable with your own point of view. Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

Nope. I just genuinely dislike the dude, and think he's a self-deluded hypocritical chump.

And all you do is hurl vile nastiness at him every chance you get; because HE allows you to. Shit, without him here, you'd curl up into a catatonic ball in the corner sucking on your big toe, staring hopelessly into space. You love Auraptor, you need Auraptor. You can't get enough of Auraptor. 10 to 1 gang attacks are a real hoot for ya.

RUE

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:40 PM

So people are not allowed to reply to Rap or his insults ?

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Silence is consent.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:48 PM

Rue, you silly girl, you wouldn't know fairness or moral equivalency if it bit you in your tushy.

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:56 PM

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Shit, without him here, you'd curl up into a catatonic ball in the corner sucking on your big toe, staring hopelessly into space

I think it's sweet of you to defend rapo, portraying him as a poor, out-of-step "Piggy" (Lord of the Flies}to everyone's bullying. But yanno, I offered to take my conversation with him offline since it was turning into a hostile thread and he never took me up on my offer. Getting him to elucidate what he thinks and how he feels in a non-confrontaional setting is next to impossible. It's almost as if he doesn't know what to think unless he's actively involved in a brawl. So anyway, my impression is... I think he needs us more than we need him.

Personally, I'd like to get into discussions with a philosophical bent. I like developing ideas and sometimes I get stuck, but hearing things from a fresh perespective usually helps. Rapo doesn't help in that direction.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

RUE

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:58 PM

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Rue, you silly girl, you wouldn't know fairness or moral equivalency if it bit you in your tushy.

Your martyred, misunderestimated hero: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=15&t=37248

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Silence is consent.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:21 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Shit, without him here, you'd curl up into a catatonic ball in the corner sucking on your big toe, staring hopelessly into space
I think it's sweet of you to defend rapo, portraying him as a poor, out-of-step "Piggy" (Lord of the Flies}to everyone's bullying. But yanno, I offered to take my conversation with him offline since it was turning into a hostile thread and he never took me up on my offer. Getting him to elucidate what he thinks and how he feels in a non-confrontaional setting is next to impossible. It's almost as if he doesn't know what to think unless he's actively involved in a brawl. So anyway, my impression is... I think he needs us more than we need him.

Personally, I'd like to get into discussions with a philosophical bent. I like developing ideas and sometimes I get stuck, but hearing things from a fresh perespective usually helps. Rapo doesn't help in that direction.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Fair enough, but what is your compulsive obsession with him anyway? Why do you and others really care about his opinions anyway? He's just a poster here, a voluminous one granted, but just another Browncoat in the verse. Your relentless hounding back at him is quite befuddling to me. Why? Why do you care? The only explanation is that he provides you and the rest with everything you need to feel good about yourselves. He validates your essence. He completes you, as a doppleganger from a parallel universe would. You and I have been down this road before, perhaps with me under a previous name, but the result is always the same. After a few hundred personal insults I just go away for a few weeks and post elsewhere. As I've said before I am no big fan of Mr Auraptor. In many ways he's as bad as you and your armada. He needs the daily hate as much as you do.

RUE

Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:27 PM

I'm sure you would not believe why I care, but here it is:

I see Rap going down a dangerous (to him) road. You deny reality at your own peril. I hope to divert him from that path.

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Silence is consent.

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Rue, you silly girl, you wouldn't know fairness or moral equivalency if it bit you in your tushy.

Coming from you JS, that's kinda funny!

So... I strolled thru the open door into troll country... not sure that all that typing changed any minds. But if anyone really belongs in troll country, Whozit gets my vote. Never seen so many pointless posts from a single person in my whole life.

AFA Rapo is concerned... poor thing, his points routinely blow up in his face and he STILL hasn't learned. Bush bowed to the Pope. The economy tanked- as I predicted but much to HIS surprise. There weren't any WMDs in Iraq. I wonder that he doesn't get tired of being behind the 8-ball all the time. But there's no point in getting all worked up about his misunderstandings. Yes, endlessly repeated points sometimes get picked up as "truth" but... aren't WE all just a bit tougher-minded than that?

ETA- I just read your post.
What I'm TRYING to do is get rapo to practice just a little bit of logic and insight. I think the reason why he has such a hard time coming up with HIS goals and HIS rationale is because ... he doesn't have any. Unless he's propagandizing Limbaugh's latest screed or contending with those he sees as "the enemy" he doesn't know WHAT to think. That's a sad and rather scary state to be in. It's as if he's a vessel to be filled with the latest right-wing outrage. I actually feel kinda sorry for him.

It's important to know the truth. It's important to know that there IS such a thing as "truth". It's not just a matter of opinion. The universe doesn't give a crap WHAT you think or HOW you feel. Any progress we make is because people let go of their tiny prejudices and narrow self-interests. The take themselves, their opinions, their desires and fears, OUT of the center of the universe, set them aside as best they can and try to see beyond.
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:07 PM

So now you and Rue are both some sort of social workers for the politically challenged? On a special mission to convert the infadel Conservatives? LOL! That's a real humdinger. You guys break me up! Thanks!

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:47 PM

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And all you do is hurl vile nastiness at him every chance you get; because HE allows you to.

Now THAT is some seriously funny shit!

Hell, I probably wouldn't even be able to get out of my house and go to work each day if C'Rappo didn't allow me to!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

????
I argue with him as I would with a man about to jump off a bridge!!! I want him to see past his own immediate pain & fear!! Confident folk can give reasons for their beliefs, he hides behind an Oxycontin fiend for his comfort!

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:56 PM

Not "politically" challenged. But yes, I have only concerned thoughts about rapo. I don't get angry with him anymore. (At least, not as much as before.) But I agree with Rue. It's dangerous for anyone to censor their data so heavily. Sooner or later, that person is going to fall into a pit they didn't see.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
So now you and Rue are both some sort of social workers for the politically challenged? On a special mission to convert the infadel Conservatives? LOL! That's a real humdinger. You guys break me up! Thanks!

Why do I care? Why do I argue with him? Why do I refute him at every turn?

Simple. Because his particular, peculiar kind of bullshit, repeated often enough and without vigorous and vociferous opposition, may be seen and heralded by some as truth. And that I simply cannot abide, not as long as I've strength to argue the point.

So, do I "need" AuRaptor? Would I miss him if he were gone? Let me ask you this. Did you ever have a hemorrhoid? If so, did you miss it when it was gone?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

So, do I "need" AuRaptor? Would I miss him if he were gone? Let me ask you this. Did you ever have a hemorrhoid? If so, did you miss it when it was gone?

That's cold Mike

- what if AU suddenly saw the truth & realized there are no heroes in our government? What if he saw Presidents as tools of policy rather than leaders of men? What if he took the Repos off that pedestal & lined 'em up with the rest of the fallible human beings that happen to have positions of authority?

Forget it- never gonna happen.

The laughing Chrisisall

BYTEMITE

Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:17 PM

I haven't really commented on any of this because I haven't wanted to get involved. Haven't been around for years like some of you, so I don't know the full play by play.

In general, though, I have seen a lot of posts that go something like: "No I'm not, YOU are! And your post just proves it, too! I pity you if you don't see why."

I think we can all agree that, regardless of the posters, those sorts of responses really aren't constructive to real world and/or political discussion. Even if they're fun.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I haven't really commented on any of this because I haven't wanted to get involved. Haven't been around for years like some of you, so I don't know the full play by play.

The short of it is: Firefly is based on suspicion of Authority...independence of thought and belief...and somehow, diametrically opposed to those things as he is, AURaptor's still a Browncoat.
It's a puzzle to many here, one that heretofore we have not solved.

"But we still try, like fools." - David LoPan

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:46 PM

Quote:

In general, though, I have seen a lot of posts that go something like: "No I'm not, YOU are! And your post just proves it, too! I pity you if you don't see why."

I think we can all agree that, regardless of the posters, those sorts of responses really aren't constructive to real world and/or political discussion.

No, we CAN'T agree on that! You're dead wrong! Yes you are, and I pity you if you can't see how wrong you are! Your post just proves your wrongness.

[/smartass]

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:54 PM

I can't hear you, lalala, I'm hiding.

*ninja*

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I can't hear you, lalala, I'm hiding.

*ninja*

[looks around] Where'd he go? Can't find him anywhere!

Darn those ninja skillz!

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

Hell, I can lean pretty much anywhere, any time. I absolutely have leaning ability.

That’s good to hear, but it doesn’t seem to bare true in your responses. So far tinny typos have managed to completely derail your understanding of the text. Or rather, perhaps you understand the text, but you’re just an asshole who would rather ignore the issue and instead attack people for insignificant typos? Either way, whether you’re an idiot or an insufferable prick, you don’t come across very well.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Nope. I just genuinely dislike the dude, and think he's a self-deluded hypocritical chump. My own political beleifs are not contigent upon that. But nice try.

But that would seem to argue my point. What do you know about Auraptor that would lead you to feel so strongly and personally against him, other then his political views? You genuinely dislike a person for no other reason then that this person’s political beliefs differ from yours. What you are describing is ideological bigotry or fundamentalism.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:03 PM

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Either way, whether you’re an idiot or an insufferable prick, you don’t come across very well.

So which one are you? Are you an idiot who can't spell, can't own up to the fact that you can't spell, can't simply say, "Oops, my bad - edited to fix spelling error", or are you an insufferable prick who'd rather attack those who point out your glaring errors, for having the temerity to call you on the fact that you're really not very bright?

Or are you both? Are you an insufferable prick who is also quite stupid?

Whichever it is, you don't come across very well.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I argue with him as I would with a man about to jump off a bridge!!! I want him to see past his own immediate pain & fear!! Confident folk can give reasons for their beliefs, he hides behind an Oxycontin fiend for his comfort!

Perhaps that is your problem. Perhaps it’s time for you to set aside the self-righteousness and take a real and honest look at other people’s views. And if you were more confident in your own point of view, you wouldn’t need to portray someone who disagreed with you as a suicidal maniac. Perhaps you’d have a better chance of understanding of what he has to say and a better chance of explaining what you have to say. But as I said, I don’t think its about understanding or explaining. I think it’s about you wanting to find a demon to cast aside so that you can feel the some sort of righteousness in your own views. But believing that you are right about something doesn’t have to mean that someone who disagrees with you is crazy.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So which one are you? Are you an idiot who can't spell, can't own up to the fact that you can't spell, can't simply say, "Oops, my bad - edited to fix spelling error", or are you an insufferable prick who'd rather attack those who point out your glaring errors, for having the temerity to call you on the fact that you're really not very bright?

Or are you both? Are you an insufferable prick who is also quite stupid?

Whichever it is, you don't come across very well.

Making a typo has nothing to do with being smart or dumb. Even the best spellers sometimes misspell words. And I don’t come to this board to edit documentation for publication. I come here to chat with friends and fellow browncoats. So that explains my typos. I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those typos or how you can be completely befuddled to grasp the meaning of posts giving minor insignificant typos.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Making a typo has nothing to do with being smart or dumb. Even the best spellers sometimes misspell words. And I don’t come to this board to edit documentation for publication. I come here to chat with friends and fellow browncoats. So that explains my typos. I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those typos or how you can be completely befuddled to grasp the meaning of posts giving minor insignificant typos.

So continually using the wrong word, even when it's been repeatedly pointed out to you as being the wrong word, says NOTHING about your being smart or dumb? Like when you wrote this:

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But that would seem to argue my point. What do you know about Auraptor that would lead you to feel so strongly and personally against him, other then his political views? You genuinely dislike a person for no other reason then that this person’s political beliefs differ from yours. What you are describing is ideological bigotry or fundamentalism.

Twice in that same post, you misused the word "then" instead of using the correct word, "than". This indicates pretty clearly that you're either dumb, or you're just being an asshole and refusing to use the correct word in a fit of spitefulness.

I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those who point out your continuous typos or how you can be completely befuddled and fail to grasp the usage of words no matter how many times their correct usage is pointed out to you.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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he's forthcoming with his view of the world
I'm not sure its HIS view. I think it's someone else's.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

And you're a mouth piece for Michael Moore.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those who point out your continuous typos or how you can be completely befuddled and fail to grasp the usage of words no matter how many times their correct usage is pointed out to you.

For those that are paying attention, what kwicko is doing is attacking me to make himself feel superior. Obviously, typos aren’t really as big a concern to kwicko as he pretends, or he would be displaying his asshole qualities to many of you. Storymark for instant, misspelled beliefs and contingent. So it’s not spelling he’s concerned with. Just the desperate need to make himself feel superior by ridiculing others. This is truly an asshole quality. But it’s the same thing people do to Auraptor when they ridicule him for his point of view. More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:21 AM

It's okay for Storymark to misspell words, it's not like he's a teacher or anything...

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Not "politically" challenged. But yes, I have only concerned thoughts about rapo. I don't get angry with him anymore. (At least, not as much as before.) But I agree with Rue. It's dangerous for anyone to censor their data so heavily. Sooner or later, that person is going to fall into a pit they didn't see.

I can't see you to tell if you typed those words with a straight face or not. Much as I'd like to try in some way to trust your sincerity, you know that I've seen too many of your posts to even remotely believe your condescending explanation of your Auraptor obsession. I do believe the condescending part.

RIVERDANCER

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Storymark for instant...

Now, I will go back and look for errors on Storymark's part, but if it was just for an instant I probably missed it...

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I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

I'm kind of wondering whether you're including an error in all of your responses on purpose. It might be funny if you were, but on the other hand you don't seem to be joking. If that is your motivation, kudos on your dry wit.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:41 AM

Quote:
Finn wrote:

For those that are paying attention, what kwicko is doing is attacking me to make himself feel superior. Obviously, typos aren’t really as big a concern to kwicko as he pretends, or he would be displaying his asshole qualities to many of you. Storymark for instant, misspelled beliefs and contingent. So it’s not spelling he’s concerned with. Just the desperate need to make himself feel superior by ridiculing others. This is truly an asshole quality.

For those that are paying attention, what Finn is doing is attacking me to make himself feel superior. Obviously, effective communication and proper use of the English language aren't a big concern to Finn, or he would be displaying better language skills instead of being such a defensive prick about it. He attacks and ridicules anyone who doesn't fall in line with his authoritarian world view, which is truly an asshole quality. And he can't be taught anything new, especially by anyone on this board, all of whom he regards as not worthy of his time or his best efforts, and thus he refuses to even TRY to communicate effectively or properly. I've tried - repeatedly - to gently point out his errors in a humorous, offhand way, in an effort to make him a better communicator, but instead he's attacked me, become a brutish asshole and a prick, and steadfastly refused to correct himself. Sounds to me like Finn is a total asshole.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have a conclussion too. Many of you attack Auraptor, becuase it makes you feel more comfortable with your own point of view. Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

You also misspelled "because".

You sure you want me to point out every single one of your fuck-ups?

Okey-dokey.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:43 AM

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Much as I'd like to try in some way to trust your sincerity, you know that I've seen too many of your posts to even remotely believe your condescending explanation of your Auraptor obsession

Believe it or not, but if you go back through my posts you'll see I've generally been pretty easy on rapo the last month or so. I realized at some point that he may have a true deficiency. You may have me confused with Rue. That happens a lot.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

Hell, I can lean pretty much anywhere, any time. I absolutely have leaning ability.
That’s good to hear, but it doesn’t seem to bare true in your responses. So far tinny typos have managed to completely derail your understanding of the text. Or rather, perhaps you understand the text, but you’re just an asshole who would rather ignore the issue and instead attack people for insignificant typos? Either way, whether you’re an idiot or an insufferable prick, you don’t come across very well.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

You seem to have misspelled "bear" and "tiny" here.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I realized at some point that he may have a true deficiency.

Chick, if you're a shrink and want to get me on your couch, just come out and ASK!

Sheesh.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I argue with him as I would with a man about to jump off a bridge!!! I want him to see past his own immediate pain & fear!! Confident folk can give reasons for their beliefs, he hides behind an Oxycontin fiend for his comfort!
Perhaps that is your problem. Perhaps it’s time for you to set aside the self-righteousness and take a real and honest look at other people’s views. And if you were more confident in your own point of view, you wouldn’t need to portray someone who disagreed with you as a suicidal maniac. Perhaps you’d have a better chance of understanding of what he has to say and a better chance of explaining what you have to say. But as I said, I don’t think its about understanding or explaining. I think it’s about you wanting to find a demon to cast aside so that you can feel the some sort of righteousness in your own views. But believing that you are right about something doesn’t have to mean that someone who disagrees with you is crazy.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

"...so that you can feel the some sort of righteousness in your own views" makes no sense.

Did you mean "you can feel some sort of righteousness"? Or did you mean "you can feel the SAME sort of righteousness"?

The way you wrote it, it makes no sense at all.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those who point out your continuous typos or how you can be completely befuddled and fail to grasp the usage of words no matter how many times their correct usage is pointed out to you.
For those that are paying attention, what kwicko is doing is attacking me to make himself feel superior. Obviously, typos aren’t really as big a concern to kwicko as he pretends, or he would be displaying his asshole qualities to many of you. Storymark for instant, misspelled beliefs and contingent. So it’s not spelling he’s concerned with. Just the desperate need to make himself feel superior by ridiculing others. This is truly an asshole quality. But it’s the same thing people do to Auraptor when they ridicule him for his point of view. More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

You misspelled "instance" while you were trying to chide Story's misspellings.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Much as I'd like to try in some way to trust your sincerity, you know that I've seen too many of your posts to even remotely believe your condescending explanation of your Auraptor obsession
Believe it or not, but if you go back through my posts you'll see I've generally been pretty easy on rapo the last month or so. I realized at some point that he may have a true deficiency. You may have me confused with Rue. That happens a lot.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

I will agree that you and Rue have certainly posted less frequently than in the past, and have seemed to lost your taste for blood. In some ways you both have become moderates compared to the liberal fascists and personal attack crazies now overrunning and polluting the RWED. But I see you and Rue supporting these punks, encouraging these maniacs, and piling on with them against your target of choice Auraptor. So what am I to think. All day today I wrote 90% light and sarcastic stuff, and what do I get for it? Any sort of fair debate or ribbing back? No, just vile name calling and cherry-picked quotes that are twisted to just further insult my sensibility and intelligence. You know the names of those who do this. You should be angry at them too, because they destroy your credibility to a large degree, and make for a very nasty place to spend time in. At least you and Rue are interesting.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:58 AM

Quote:

I'm kind of wondering whether you're including an error in all of your responses on purpose. It might be funny if you were, but on the other hand you don't seem to be joking. If that is your motivation, kudos on your dry wit.

Exactly. And either way, I'm happy to oblige.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:01 AM

Oh, and Jongs?

You misspelled "non-vicious".

Hey, Finn asked me to point it out...

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:05 AM

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But it’s the same thing people do to Auraptor when they ridicule him for his point of view.

People don't ridicule rapo for his POV. They ridicule him for his inability to describe or explain his POV, his ability to deny data that doesn't suit, and his amazing lack of logic.

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More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

Understanding and debate requires listening and thinking. I feel I've done more than my share of trying to understand both you and rapo. I've tried to get both of you to flesh out your viewpoints (Why do you think that? What about in thiscase? Where does it break down? Where does another consideration come in?) But I got nothing out of rapo, and all I got out of you was being called a "Nazi" for asking too many questions!

And I'm not getting much understanding or debate from either of you, BTW. Makes me think you're not really looking for understanding and debate, but for agreement.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

Originally posted by Finn:

Quote:
More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

I've tried to get both of you to flesh out your viewpoints (Why do you think that? What about in this case? Where does it break down? Where does another consideration come in?) But I got nothing out of rapo, and all I got out of you was being called a "Nazi" for asking too many questions!

So it would be accurate to say that more and more, the arguments Finn posts on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks, and fostering hate and divisiveness.

Is that really the direction Finn wants to go? Apparently it is.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:16 AM

Touche.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
People don't ridicule rapo for his POV. They ridicule him for his inability to describe or explain his POV, his ability to deny data that doesn't suit, and his amazing lack of logic.

No. People ridicule him because of his point of view. Because he is very vocal in not supporting the Left-leaning agenda, he is despised.

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Understanding and debate requires listening and thinking. I feel I've done more than my share of trying to understand both you and rapo. I've tried to get both of you to flesh out your viewpoints (Why do you think that? What about in thiscase? Where does it break down? Where does another consideration come in?) But I got nothing out of rapo, and all I got out of you was being called a "Nazi" for asking too many questions!

I never called you a Nazi for asking too many questions. I accused you of using Gestapo debating tactics to manipulate the argument, which you’re very good at. You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue, while simultaneous declaring the other parties opinion for them. Such as you accusing me of wanting to murder or not caring about the murder of millions of people. This has never been my position. It’s simply the position that you assigned to me. I’m sure you do the same to auraptor.

But you’re not the only one. Is kwicko listening to a thing I’ve said in this thread? From the very first post that I made in this thread, he has completely ignored everything I’ve said. Kwicko takes the asshole approach of not listening. He’s a bit more Neanderthal about it. You take a more subtle, perhaps more sophisticated approach, but you still don’t listen to anything you don’t want to hear.

So these Auraptor threads that are popping up, are all about finding some way of invalidating Auraptor, and not listening to him. You don’t have to take my word for it, just look at people in this thread who disagree with Auraptor and see the hostile often very personal attitude they have towards him. Storymark came right out and said that he “genuinely dislikes” auraptor. For what??? What the hell does Storymark know about Auraptor apart from his point of view on this board? I’m sorry Signym, but these discussions are not about trying to understand Auraptor, they are about trying to invalidate him.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 5:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

I never called you a Nazi for asking too many questions. I accused you of using Gestapo debating tactics to manipulate the argument, which you’re very good at. You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue, while simultaneous declaring the other parties opinion for them. Such as you accusing me of wanting to murder or not caring about the murder of millions of people. This has never been my position. It’s simply the position that you assigned to me. I’m sure you do the same to auraptor.

But you’re not the only one. Is kwicko listening to a thing I’ve said in this thread? From the very first post that I made in this thread, he has completely ignored everything I’ve said. Kwicko takes the asshole approach of not listening. He’s a bit more Neanderthal about it. You take a more subtle, perhaps more sophisticated approach, but you still don’t listen to anything you don’t want to hear.

So these Auraptor threads that are popping up, are all about finding some way of invalidating Auraptor, and not listening to him. You don’t have to take my word for it, just look at people in this thread who disagree with Auraptor and see the hostile often very personal attitude they have towards him. Storymark came right out and said that he “genuinely dislikes” auraptor. For what??? What the hell does Storymark know about Auraptor apart from his point of view on this board? I’m sorry Signym, but these discussions are not about trying to understand Auraptor, they are about trying to invalidate him.

"You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue, while simultaneous declaring the other parties opinion for them" should read, "You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue, while simultaneously declaring the other party's opinion for them."

Also, I've noticed that you regularly capitalize words like "Nazi" and "Gestapo" and other authoritarian watchwords, yet you rarely capitalize the names of users here, other Browncoats. It may be Freudian on your part, but it indicates that you hold fascists and tyrants in higher regard than you do Browncoats. Curious, that.

Is Finn listening to a thing I’ve said in this thread? From the very first post that I made in this thread, he has completely ignored everything I’ve said. Finn takes the asshole approach of not listening, and actually attacks those who try to point out his errors or correct him, calling THEM assholes and pricks for trying to help him communicate more effectively.

Also, what are Finn's posts about me, other than him trying to find some way to invalidate me? Rather than simply correct his "simple typos" and move on, Finn has spent post after post after post attacking me, calling me a prick and an asshole, desperately casting about for ANY possible method by which he can invalidate me.
Just look at his hostile, often very personal attitude towards me. You, Finn, came right out and said that I'm a prick and an asshole. For what?? What the hell do you know about me, apart from my point of view as regards spelling, grammar, and intelligence? I'm sorry Finn, but this attitude of yours is not about trying to correct your errors and learn to be a better communicator, it's about trying to invalidate me.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 5:37 AM

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No. People ridicule him because of his point of view. Because he is very vocal in not supporting the Left-leaning agenda, he is despised.

Later, you complain that I state your opinion for you. Well, you've just stated everyone's here for THEM. And you're doing what rapo does: repeat the same argument over and over as if that means something. I'm willing to back up my contention with examples, are you? Come up with examples to make your point.

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I never called you a Nazi for asking too many questions. I accused you of using Gestapo debating tactics to manipulate the argument, which you’re very good at. You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue

How is that a "gestapo" tactic? And, if I ask the same question over and over, how can it possibly "confuse" the topic? It seems that it should focus the dicusssion.

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while simultaneous declaring the other parties opinion for them. Such as you accusing me of wanting to murder or not caring about the murder of millions of people. This has never been my position. It’s simply the position that you assigned to me.

So speaking of declaring people's positions for them... You just declared mine for me. AND you got it wrong.

But I'm glad that you brought it up. You've often said "Human life is sacred" You're willing to extend the definition of "human life" to an undifferentiated blob of cells, but if that life happens to belong to a criminal then his or her life is NOT sacred, because it's not human life that's sacred to you, but only INNOCENT human life. But then, even "innocent human" life is forfeit if its collateral damage to some other higher cause. So even innocent human life isn't "sacred" either, apparently, because "sacred" means of the highest worth.

Then we went through a long discussion about criminals, and how they might not be responsible for their actions. Unfortunately, for the same reasons they may not be rehabilitable either. Yanno what YOU got out of that discussion? That I was making a good argument for the death penalty! Why did you jump to that, instead of assuming that the answer would be "life in prison without parole"? Because keeping prisoners alive is an economic drain???

The sum total of your arguments is NOT that "human life is sacred" but that it is in fact expendable for certain goals that YOU think are more important. That's not saying that you "want" to kill millions of people or that you "don't care", but it also says that other goals (efficiency, "freedom", punishment etc.) are more important to you in some cases.

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I’m sure you do the same to auraptor.

Since I don't even do that to YOU, you'll prolly have a hard time finding examples of where I "do that" to rapo. But- be my guest. If you can come up with examples post 'em here.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 9:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So these Auraptor threads that are popping up, are all about finding some way of invalidating Auraptor, and not listening to him. You don’t have to take my word for it, just look at people in this thread who disagree with Auraptor and see the hostile often very personal attitude they have towards him. Storymark came right out and said that he “genuinely dislikes” auraptor. For what??? What the hell does Storymark know about Auraptor apart from his point of view on this board? I’m sorry Signym, but these discussions are not about trying to understand Auraptor, they are about trying to invalidate him.

He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 9:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
How is that a "gestapo" tactic? And, if I ask the same question over and over, how can it possibly "confuse" the topic? It seems that it should focus the dicusssion.

It's discussion and if you're being asked over and over a question you really want to wriggle out of, I can imagine that that would be quite uncomfortable. Like when the Police know you are lying, and keep trying to trip you up by asking the same question over and over, which is where he's probably getting Gestapo from, but he want's to make out you're more of a Nazi at the same time.

What people often fail to notice, just like politicians in fact, is that if them just answered the fucking question, you'd stop asking it

.

This is what you remind me of when you try to pin down some of these wriggly characters:

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 10, 2009 11:29 AM

Quote:
People don't ridicule rapo for his POV. They ridicule him for his inability to describe or explain his POV, his ability to deny data that doesn't suit, and his amazing lack of logic.

I in fact DO explain my POV, even when I'm not badgered by others who don't agree with what I say. And logic is what MY answers are based on, sweetie. Lack of logic ? That's rich. Coming from you.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, April 10, 2009 12:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?

The definition of an asshole is attacking someone for typos.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Later, you complain that I state your opinion for you. Well, you've just stated everyone's here for THEM. And you're doing what rapo does: repeat the same argument over and over as if that means something. I'm willing to back up my contention with examples, are you? Come up with examples to make your point.

I’m not stating anyone’s opinion. This is what I see people doing, not opining. These calling out Auratpor threads are not opinions, they are threads. And there should never be threads on this board seeking to call out an individual for ridicule.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
How is that a "gestapo" tactic? And, if I ask the same question over and over, how can it possibly "confuse" the topic? It seems that it should focus the dicusssion.

It focuses the discussion where you want it focused.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So speaking of declaring people's positions for them... You just declared mine for me. AND you got it wrong.

In what way did I do that?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But I'm glad that you brought it up. You've often said "Human life is sacred" You're willing to extend the definition of "human life" to an undifferentiated blob of cells, but if that life happens to belong to a criminal then his or her life is NOT sacred, because it's not human life that's sacred to you, but only INNOCENT human life. But then, even "innocent human" life is forfeit if its collateral damage to some other higher cause. So even innocent human life isn't "sacred" either, apparently, because "sacred" means of the highest worth.

Yes, I did say human life is sacred. I also said that we live in an imperfect world. In a perfect world, the decision between the one human life and another would never need to be made. In a perfect world we would never need to weigh the future happiness of many future lives with the loss of a few present unhappy lives. But in the real world, these are issues that arise.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The sum total of your arguments is NOT that "human life is sacred" but that it is in fact expendable for certain goals that YOU think are more important.

No. The sum total of my argument is that human life is sacred, but that the world is not as simple as you try to portray it. You decided to accuse me of the imperfection of reality - and I don't think that is fair.

But as I said, this isn’t all about you. What about Kwicko who has not addressed a single issue I’ve made in this thread, but attacked me for typos. How is Kwicko listening to anything that has been said? Kwicko is exhibiting troll behavior. What about Storymark who came out and stated unequivocally his personal dislike of Auraptor? In what way do these two represent people who listen to opposing arguments?

And it isn’t even all about this thread, what about the discussion on hydroelectric power in the other thread? I pointed out the need for new technology in batteries before solar and wind could compete with hydroelectric. The responses that I got were equivalent to ignoring the issue I brought up and instead criticizing hydroelectric power because I asserted that it was more reliable then solar or wind. The comparison between shutting dams down once ever several summers and solar power that only works when the sun is up was made, how is that even a valid comparison? How is this listening to anything I said?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by citizen:
He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?
The definition of an asshole is attacking someone for typos.

The definition of "asshole" is attacking someone for pointing out an error.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:18 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The definition of an asshole is attacking someone for typos.

Apparently not:
ass⋅hole
/ˈæsˌhoʊl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [as-hohl] Show IPA
–noun Vulgar.
1. anus.
2. Slang.
a. a stupid, mean, or contemptible person.
b. the worst part of a place or thing.
–adjective
3. Slang. stupid, mean, or contemptible.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/asshole

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 1:47 PM

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I in fact DO explain my POV

Not really. You STATE an opinion. But when people want to find out the length, breadth and depth of a particular statement, you run out of gas pretty quickly. What people find especially troubling is that you don't derive your opinion from the wealth of data available to you. Rather, you select your data to support your opinion, and ignore reams of countervailing data as if it didn't exist.

Example: The whole world is in economic crisis. Banks (especially the EU-Basel II banks) have suddenly found themselves over-leveraged. World trade is in free-fall. Mortgage brokers, hedge funds, investment houses like Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, and insurance giants like AIG 's assets crumbled away. Bristish banks crumbeld under the weight of their own bad mortgages, all without Fannie and Freddie. Iceland and Ireland went into default. And you blame all of this: ALL of this, on two men- Dodd and Frank- two Democrats who were out of power when all of this was brewing. Two men who didn't have ANY control of any committees, who couldn't "keep" anything from reaching the floor if their lives depended on it. And yet, despite that this catastrophe (like all major catastrophes) occur because of MULTIPLE failures, you continue to assert- against all evidence- that two out-of-power Dems brought down the whole world.

THAT'S what makes you a laughing-stock rapo. You seem incapable of incorporating and responding to countervailing facts. Your response is to shut your eyes, plug your ears and hum loudly.

AND BTW FINN- THAT kind of response does NOT make for understanding and debate.

My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.

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Call me when anyone interesting show up.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, April 10, 2009 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.

Exactly my point. In your mind, you have us all figured out. We don’t share your point of view, so we are delusional nutcases. This is your excuse for not listening. This is why you insist upon asking the same question over and over again. You expect to hear the answer you want to hear, and if we don’t give you that answer, it’s not because we have a different point of view – it’s because we are scary and delusional crazy people. You can’t see my reasoning on the issue of human life because you insist upon apply an unrealistically childish model of reality, one in which no difficult choices are ever made. And you do that, because as long as you can confine my point of view in your mind to some simplest model it was never intended for, then you can right me off as scary delusional monster who wants to see people murdered. You have it all figured out.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 10, 2009 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.
Exactly my point. In your mind, you have us all figured out. We don’t share your point of view, so we are delusional nutcases. This is your excuse for not listening. This is why you insist upon asking the same question over and over again. You expect to hear the answer you want to hear, and if we don’t give you that answer, it’s not because we have a different point of view – it’s because we are scary and delusional crazy people. You can’t see my reasoning on the issue of human life because you insist upon apply an unrealistically childish model of reality, one in which no difficult choices are ever made. And you do that, because as long as you can confine my point of view in your mind to some simplest model it was never intended for, then you can right me off as scary delusional monster who wants to see people murdered. You have it all figured out.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

Signy and gang are only here to attack their enemies and ridicule them into wanting to leave. That's what they do, that's all they do. And their new explanation for their juvenile antics is that they feel that those opposed to their beliefs need their help in seeing the light. It's laughable.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 10, 2009 2:59 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?

scroll up to a few of Kwicko's posts. If he walks like a duck...

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The real idiots here, Kwikky & Citizensky, are so over the line in their relentless and un-warranted personal attacks of vulgarity and insanity, it's becoming like a virtual stinkin' cesspool of filth and mayhem in here. You won't see me around much Finn. Remember, the more they insult you, the better they feel. Best strategy is to ignore them. Nothing gets a psychotic bully madder than being ignored. But bravo to you if you want to contuinue to engage them.

Oh sweet irony! The moral high road from someone who only ever insults people because he can't argue against what they say any other way!

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:02 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
scroll up to a few of Kwicko's posts. If he walks like a duck...

The term 'asshole' refers to a lot of people here much better, often those throwing it about.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:04 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.

Wanton hubris.

RUE

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:14 PM

"You genuinely dislike a person for no other reason then that this person’s political beliefs differ from yours."

I think enough people have had enough discussions with Rap where he made claims that were blatantly untrue, where he refused to back up his claims with any kind of objective fact, where he resorted to calling names, and where, when proven wrong, he disappeared - only to show up again later with the same RapFacts™ and same MO. That might possibly engender a certain amount of dislike.

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Silence is consent.

RUE

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:17 PM

"Obviously, typos aren’t really as big a concern to kwicko as he pretends, or he would be displaying his asshole qualities to many of you."

He points out mine. I then do an oops, my bad, and correct them. And ... do you have a point ?

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Silence is consent.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:27 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The real idiots here, Kwikky & Citizensky, are so over the line in their relentless and un-warranted personal attacks of vulgarity and insanity, it's becoming like a virtual stinkin' cesspool of filth and mayhem in here. You won't see me around much Finn. Remember, the more they insult you, the better they feel. Best strategy is to ignore them. Nothing gets a psychotic bully madder than being ignored. But bravo to you if you want to contuinue to engage them.

Oh sweet irony! The moral high road from someone who only ever insults people because he can't argue against what they say any other way!

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 3:57 PM

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Wanton hubris.

Not really. I know it sound terribly arrogant, but the only reason why I know how Finn and Rapo think is because I've been there and done that myself.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 4:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Thank you for agreeing with me.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 10, 2009 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Yeah, I agree that yer a fucking troll.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 10, 2009 4:13 PM

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Exactly my point. In your mind, you have us all figured out. We don’t share your point of view, so we are delusional nutcases.

Not really. You go off track because you have deep contradictions within your own thinking that you can't acknowldge. Rapo really IS a delusional nutcase because he has to ignore large swaths of reality in order to maintain his mental model.

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This is your excuse for not listening. This is why you insist upon asking the same question over and over again. You expect to hear the answer you want to hear

I hear you quite well.

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You can’t see my reasoning on the issue of human life because you insist upon apply an unrealistically childish model of reality, one in which no difficult choices are ever made.

Actually, I DO see your view of human life quite well. Better than you, in fact, because I have no emotional attachment to your argument. So when you say "Human life is sacred... EXCEPT..." you have just said - by defintion- that human life is NOT sacred, human life is expendable. Now, the only question is: What are YOU willing to expend human life FOR? I never said that the decisions weren't painful or weren't made reluctantly. I never said that you would wantonly or casually expend human life. But, yes... you are willing to expend human life for something other than saving human life. Acknowledge it, if only to yourself, and drop the Human life is sacred mantra because that really IS a simplistic statement. It may make you feel all warm and fuzzy... righteous, even... but it doesn't reflect your value system.

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And you do that, because as long as you can confine my point of view in your mind to some simplest model it was never intended for, then you can right me off as scary delusional monster who wants to see people murdered.

Well, do you advocate the death penalty? If yes, then- logically- you want to see some people murdered. Not everyone, of course. Just those you think aren't worthy enough.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CITIZEN

Friday, April 10, 2009 4:44 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Yeah, I agree that yer a fucking troll.

Your words say one thing. Our actions prove another.

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