Violence as Deterrent
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Saturday, October 4, 2025 00:35
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Just a point of clarification, hand guns are useful in a hunting sense as a backup weapon or for a coup de gras. This scenario has happened to me more than once where a shot hasn't cleanly killed a larger animal (in one case a moose and in another an elk) and it is still alive when you come up on it. In both cases the animal was thrashing around and using a knife to kill it quickly would have been very dangerous. Letting the animal suffer and die slowly really isn't humane. Using a high powered rifle like a 30-06 at close range firing into the ground is dangerous due to richocette. A fatter, lower velocity handgund round is much safer for me and the result is much more humane. We can argue the issue of game hunting on another occasion ;-)
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Hey everybody,
I'd like to make an observation: Anthony T. advocates gun ownership. This is an individual decision and he makes his case. But the folks who oppose gun ownership make the imaginative leap to a society where everyone has a gun. In all their arguments, we go from the current level of ownership straight to total saturation of the population with firearms, as if the government just mailed 'em out to us with our tax returns. Anti-gun folks argue against this wacky fantasy world instead of discussing whether or not they themselves, as individuals, want to own a gun and why. Lotta rampant control-freakism in this thread, seems to me. Lotta people presuming to know what's good for everyone else and gettin' hysterical about what could happen if the "wrong people" were to listen to Anthony's argument. Hello, the wrong people already have?
Signy seems to think it's somehow important to point out that not all people seeking a CCW permit would be responsible with their guns. Um. So, because some vanishingly small percentage of folks would be irresponsible, that means what exactly? There are plenty of ways for irresponsible people to get guns--seems going through the process of aquiring a CCW permit would be a self-selecting process for a slightly more responsible crowd.
Me, I don't imagine I'll be running out to buy a gun any time soon. I have no reason to believe that I will need one. I'm willing to deal with the consequences of not participating. If the proverbial shit were to hit the fan, if the jack boots started coming door-to-door, I'd likely hook up with some friends of mine out in Idaho who know their way around firearms, or light out for the rez, but I would hesitate to get a gun myself.
In my own experience, no one carries a gun without being afraid. And as Kyle Maclachlan would say, "Fear is the mind killer." My strongest argument against a professional police force is that it makes being afraid a profession. People tend to get better at what they're paid to do, so police/soldiers will get more and more fearful the longer their job requires them to be ready to kill people.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:First of all, I have issues with what the man did, considering all of the other people around. In some circumstances it would have been the exact WRONG thing to do. And, it could have been handled differently. I just saw (literally) on TV about an incident in LA where one cashier called 911 while the other cashiers/ servers simply stalled the robber until the police came.
Got a problem with that, Mr. "I believe people can rule themselves" Wulf?"- Signy
Thats my point. A guy shoots a robber, and he is RIGHT to do so. The people CAN govern themselves.- Wufl
And I disagree with YOUR defintion of "govern themselves". YOU think that it means shooting robbers?? Defending yourself with a gun? Rule of fang and claw? There's a LOT more to self governance than self defense, Wulf! IMHO, until people can learn to govern themslves.... personally and individually... they will never learn to govern themselves collectively. And YOU want to shut off discussion, 'cause it's either Wulf's way or the highway? Hmmm... not a good start for "self" governance, is it? You can seem to neither govern your anger, nor are you willing to extend the right to "self governance" to others. (Which means, among other things, allowing others to express opinions different from yours.)
I will say this quite bluntly but with all due respect: You're a nascent fascist. You might want to look a little more closely to your OWN self-governance before you start telling others what they should or shouldn't do.
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
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Quote:I think you're making too much of what was a minor point on my part, HK. I was simply rebutting Frems' point that ALL CCW'ers are automatically responsible.
Signy seems to think it's somehow important to point out that not all people seeking a CCW permit would be responsible with their guns. Um. So, because some vanishingly small percentage of folks would be irresponsible, that means what exactly? There are plenty of ways for irresponsible people to get guns--seems going through the process of aquiring a CCW permit would be a self-selecting process for a slightly more responsible crowd
My real point is the question whether guns are "the answer", "the problem", both, or neither (irrelevant). I'm leaning towards the "may be part of the problem or irrelevant" simply because... just as incarceration hasn't seemed to deter crime, neither will widespread gun ownership. Something else is at work. I dont' know if its the media, a culture of greed (captalism), the myth of redemptive violence, dependence on religion, or fluoride in the water
... but something is seriously awry with our society and I dont' see guns solving that problem.---------------------------------
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
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Hello,
It's interesting to note that I currently live in Arizona, a place where it is literally legal to walk around town with a sixgun (or any other gun) strapped to your hip. I enjoy knowing that the citizens of this city have that right.
However, it's a right I don't exercise. In my experience, walking around with a gun on a holster tends to make people nervous. They don't know who I am, or what my intentions are, and in this PANIC NOW society, they'd have to imagine the worst. The only place I strap on my guns in an exposed holster is in the middle of the wide desert, when I'm shooting at villainous aluminum cans far outside of city limits.
It's important to me that the people around me feel at ease and comfortable. As soon as I have the disposable income, I'll be getting an Arizona concealed weapons permit to replace my expired Florida concealed weapons permit. I'm clearly not in a big rush to do so, though, considering that I've been here since 2004 and haven't done it yet.
On the subject of carrying a gun=fear... I'm not sure. Maybe.
But only if you make carrying a flashlight=afraid of the dark
And
Having a Jack in the Car = afraid of being stranded with a flat
Lawgivers have reasonable cause to 'fear' resistance, and are responsible to carry the tools of their trade.
Non-Lawgivers have their own reasons to 'fear', though using the term fear makes one think of stark raving mad paranoia, and I'm not convinced that's the case.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The only place I strap on my guns in an exposed holster is in the middle of the wide desert, when I'm shooting at villainous aluminum cans far outside of city limits.
Can Murderer!
AnthonyT admits can murder:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The only place I strap on my guns in an exposed holster is in the middle of the wide desert, when I'm shooting at villainous aluminum cans far outside of city limits.
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LOL!
Unrepentant, too. ;-)
You're all right, Citizen.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Don't you try to butter me up!
AnthonyT admits can murder:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The only place I strap on my guns in an exposed holster is in the middle of the wide desert, when I'm shooting at villainous aluminum cans far outside of city limits.
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Quote:I knew he was no good.
Originally posted by citizen:
AnthonyT admits can murder
The laughing Chrisisall
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I know, Sig.
(Funny name btw) You think guns are "icky".
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