Laurasaurus Ingraham
POSTED BY: MalBadInLatin
UPDATED: Thursday, March 26, 2009 20:08
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He's still not disavowed his previous statements, and I don't see anything in his posts that really says he's reconsidered the baby killing issue. The only time he's referenced his previous statements, was to say he stands by them utterly. I'm not going to believe a one post seeing of the light.
If he, right now, says "My previous statements were completely wrong, I have changed my mind, I apologise unreservedly for my evil statements, and hope you all can show me more mercy and forgiveness than I was prepared to show an innocent baby that hadn't done anything" or words to that effect, I'll reconsider.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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Hello,
Well, I don't think that asking someone to prostrate themselves and make obsequious statements is going to accomplish anything. He has, in effect, disavowed the critical aspect of his previous statements, which was the baby killing.
Let me find the relevant quote:
"Taking out the handler, and leaving the innocent kid in one piece, would clearly be preferable."
Here we have
A) An acknowledgement that the kid is innocent.
And
B) A desire to not harm the innocent kid.
Since this statement contra-indicates the original premise 'might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill' then we can clearly see he is no longer advocating child murder.
His new position can be best paraphrased as, 'might be a good idea to ace the handler and leave the baby intact.'
Which I think is a position we can all agree with.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I think AuRaptor's version of "man up, apologize, and move on" goes more like
"Ok, General."
It's not like he's ever going to just come out and admit that he was wrong.
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Bullshit, it's not good enough. He clearly said he wants to have babies murdered, I'm not going to let him wriggle out of it with a hand wave. He wouldn't let anyone else off so easy, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve such understanding.
And frankly, his position isn't all that much further away from the original Himmler-esque crap. It's just a different spin on the whole "it'll sure be a shame that we have to kill all them kids" vibe.
Frankly, what I said would be the BARE MINIMUM for me to even start to consider letting this drop. If you say killing babies is a fine and dandy idea, you have to work exceedingly fucking hard to redeem yourself. And by that, I don't mean say "ok I'd rather not kill them, but whatchya gonna do?"
AURaptor advocates child murder:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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Hello,
Citizen, if the only way you will let our enemies back down from a fight is by forcing them to prostrate themselves in a position that robs them of all dignity, then you will spend your entire life fighting. It is much preferable, I think, to accept a simple concession of principles, and move on.
Otherwise you will find yourself perpetually prosecuting people for past sins, simply because it was not enough for them to change their position. They had to do it with pride-breaking fanfare.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I wonder if any of the Nazi's in the Nuremburg trials thought of just saying "hey, I don't think we should kill all the Jews now!". Then we could have let them off.
That's fine if your 'enemy' has just called you an arsehole, but if they've just said "hey I'm down with the baby massacre!" then it requires a bit more contrition than "Hey, I don't really want too, but I still would."
AURaptor advocates child murder:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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Hello,
Citizen, your analogy would only ring true if AuRaptor had actually murdered babies.
Instead, what happened was he said, "Yeah, we ought to kill those babies along with their handlers," and then, whilst still not having killed any babies said, "Well, on second thought I see what you mean. The babies are innocent. We just ought to kill the handlers if at all possible."
If you are going to persecute people for merely thinking about murder, and then changing their minds, then please add me to your tagline.
Anthony thinks about murdering innocent people:
"I have, from time to time, murdered countless people within the confines of my imagination." --Anthony
You could also try this -
Anthony advocates executing criminals without trial:
"I once taped a newspaper photo of Saddam Hussein to my dartboard, and shot him repeatedly with my dart pistol. I imagined in my mind that I was a government assassin or sniper, murdering this murderer and ending his brand of evil forever." --Anthony
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Cit, it would be cathartic if rapo would admit openly that he was wrong. But that's not gonna happen anytime soon. I can think of a lot of reasons why not... and none to do with sheer cussedness. Might be time to graciously accept the clarification... and, oh yeah... continue in the OTHER thread??? 
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Anthony thinks about murdering innocent people:
"I have, from time to time, murdered countless people within the confines of my imagination." --Anthony
You could also try this -
Anthony advocates executing criminals without trial:
"I once taped a newspaper photo of Saddam Hussein to my dartboard, and shot him repeatedly with my dart pistol. I imagined in my mind that I was a government assassin or sniper, murdering this murderer and ending his brand of evil forever." --Anthony
Those are examples that are as unlike his statements as my analogy.
And actually, he's still saying he is ok with killing babies, just that he'd feel bad about it after. He's not changed his position, he's put a slightly different spin on it. You've been taken in by his phony pretence at "refining" his views. I haven't. And I'm not going to let a wannabe baby murderer off with a "I would feel a little twinge of guilt about it afterwards".
I see no reason why I'd extend him more mercy than he'd extend to anyone else, or an innocent baby for that matter.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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Hello,
Well Citizen, I suppose I'm not going to change your mind. But as long as you chain people to the past, you put them in the position of defending the indefensible, if only because they wish to defend themselves, and you've linked their selves to their past ideas.
He will never prostrate himself for you. Even I, who lament my past 'bad thinking' doubt that I would prostrate myself to say so. And so you will be stuck with that tagline forever, and we innocent forumites will be stuck reading it.
Forever.
What a dreary world. I'd much prefer a Burma Shave advert.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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