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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:Quote:I know you weren't talking to me...but this is a microcosm of Conservia in exile. In relative disgrace, they have to sit alongside comparatively powerful Democrats hoping to chime in with something authoratative. If they don't catch a lucky break...thier only option is a maneuver children use in times of sparse attention...they go for negative attention, in this case, phony outrage. The more people who legitimize phony outrage with attention, the better the conservative feels.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo.... Look, I know you probably feel like you're surrounded by enemies but there's a REASON for it. And if you had an iota of self-reflection, of reasoning ability, you might ask yourself (not us, I wouldn't expect that) "Why? Why do so many people disagree with me?
I take issue with this because it's lumping all Conservatives into one barrel, which Liberals accuse Consevatives of doing all the time. What is to be gained by doing that?
What I saw when approaching this side of the site was a lot of bitter words used on both sides of the political spectrum. So much so that I was hesitant to even post an opinion. Sure Auraptor is passionate and a lot of the rest of you are as well, but it quickly disintegrates to name-calling and bullying and that just doesn't accomplish anything. He might possibly not think things all the way through when he posts and many of you latch on to that and deride what he has to say. He responds in kind. The passion takes over from the intellect. You guys just start flinging insults it all goes to hell in a handbasket after that. I understand there's some sort of history there, but I can only comment on what I've seen since joining and it ain't pretty from either side. But all in all, nothing gets accomplished and any sound, reasonable posts go unnoticed (for the most part) because people want to get their tongue lashings in or you just want to get in a jab at one or the other person.
All it does is perpetuate the myth that Liberals and Conservatives just can not get along. I know this isn't true, but all of this doesn't help.
BOTH sides need to give every now and then. BOTH sides need to keep a cool head. If that is followed (and yes, Rap, this means you, too) then something possitive might possibly happen. Some of you have agreed with me on a point or two and vice versa, but I try to keep my emotions out of it. Both sides feel a righteous anger toward the other and it just keeps getting fueled by bitter, off-hand remarks. I've rarely seen anyone give in or concede to any point (there have been a few, but not many).
Getting back on point . . .
I know a lot of you feel that the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Graham and Hannity need to just go away. I understand that. They bring out what they perceive to be the ugliness of Liberal Democrats and yes, I have personally heard them rail against aspects of the Bush administration. They are commentators. They are not reporters. They don't claim to be. It's this country's freedom of speech that allows them to say what they want and get paid to say it. It's their show and they should be able to say what they want to say. Many people listen (more that DO like what they have to say vs. those that don't) to them in order get their take on the world around them and current events. Bill Maher says what he wants to say on his show and some of it is extremely mean spirited and vitriolic. Colbert pokes fun at Conservatives. Al Franken is notorious for his ugly rants. Should these guys just go away also? I would welcome a nationally syndicated Liberal talk show host so I could hear HIS/HER view on the matters of the day, but . . . there just isn't one.
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Sure Auraptor is passionate and a lot of the rest of you are as well, but it quickly disintegrates to name-calling and bullying and that just doesn't accomplish anything. He might possibly not think things all the way through when he posts and many of you latch on to that and deride what he has to say.
Yeah, he accidentally said he thinks babies should be murdered. Or maybe on the spur of the moment he said something he really believes, that Palestinian babies should be murdered, before they have a chance to become terrorists.
Out of curiosity, would you also defend Heinrich Himmler? Because that's another guy who said children should be murdered to prevent them becoming problems later.
AURaptor isn't a conservative. AURaptor is an Authoritarian, AURaptor's position is closer to Fascism, and often racism than it could ever be to Conservatism. It's not proof that liberals and Conservatives can't get along, it's proof Liberals and FASCISTS can't get along. If I were a Liberal, I really wouldn't have a problem with that.
Maybe if you feel the need to defend those that advocate child murder, you're the one with the issue, not us.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Sure Auraptor is passionate and a lot of the rest of you are as well, but it quickly disintegrates to name-calling and bullying and that just doesn't accomplish anything. He might possibly not think things all the way through when he posts and many of you latch on to that and deride what he has to say.
Yeah, he accidentally said he thinks babies should be murdered. Or maybe on the spur of the moment he said something he really believes, that Palestinian babies should be murdered, before they have a chance to become terrorists.
Out of curiosity, would you also defend Heinrich Himmler? Because that's another guy who said children should be murdered to prevent them becoming problems later.
Maybe if you feel the need to defend those that advocate child murder, you're the one with the issue, not us.
AURaptor advocates child murder:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
You totally ignored every single other thing I said, Citizen. I'm not advocating anybody's point of view over the other, I blamed not one side, but both. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Holy freakin' cow...
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
You totally ignored every single other thing I said, Citizen. I'm not advocating anybody's point of view over the other, I blamed not one side, but both. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Holy freakin' cow...
No, I didn't, but the fact that THIS is what you took from my post, pretty much proves my point.
I'm not going to be polite to a wanna be baby killing Nazi just to come to some sort of "discussion". And if you want to devolve people getting pissed at a Fascist who advocates baby murder into something about Liberals vs Conservatives, then it really is you that has the issue. AURaptor is not a conservative.
Holy freakin' cow indeed.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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I think the reason why people get on rapo's case so much is because he has a looooong history of ignoring the plainly evident, if it conflicts with Rush. It doesn't matter if you're a conservative. If you dont' agree with Rush, you're not. It doesn't matter if you've BEEN in the military (even tho rapo hasn't)... if you dont' agree with rush you don't know anything about the military. It doesn't matter if you've been a crime victim, or experienced terrorism first-hand or been in a war... if you don't agree with Rush, you just don't KNOW how dangerous the world can be.
That kind of bone-headedness drives everyone else nuts, including me. I try, I really do, not to get caught up in throwing rocks at him 'cause stoning a delusional doesn't cure them of their delusions. If anything, it just makes their faith stronger. (Heck, look at early Xtian martyrs!) So I kick myself for all the times I lost my temper with rapo 'cause that only makes me an enabler. But how anyone can turn such a fat, ho-loving, viagra-popping, hillbilly-heroin-junkie into such a god of information is beyond me.
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Quote:Nothing. I at no point said "all" conservatives do anything the same. I implied that all the ones I've had contact with display phony outrage. Every Conservative I know prefers anger over humor for another example. So take my input for just what it is...observation, not generalization.
Originally posted by RIPWash:I take issue with this because it's lumping all Conservatives into one barrel, which Liberals accuse Consevatives of doing all the time. What is to be gained by doing that?
Quote:What you are seeing is passionate debate that has two sides. Those who believe cable news, radio, and web based politicial propaganda...and those who employ dictionary definitions, science, credible academic sources, and professional experience to argue. Some in between of course. But you can be a Liberal and get bullied for regurgitating the swill of numerouss pundits all over the floor here at FF.NET.
Originally posted by RIPWash:What I saw when approaching this side of the site was a lot of bitter words used on both sides of the political spectrum. So much so that I was hesitant to even post an opinion. Sure Auraptor is passionate and a lot of the rest of you are as well, but it quickly disintegrates to name-calling and bullying and that just doesn't accomplish anything.
Quote:Wow...show me the forum where things get accomplished.
Originally posted by RIPWash: He might possibly not think things all the way through when he posts and many of you latch on to that and deride what he has to say. He responds in kind. The passion takes over from the intellect. You guys just start flinging insults it all goes to hell in a handbasket after that. I understand there's some sort of history there, but I can only comment on what I've seen since joining and it ain't pretty from either side. But all in all, nothing gets accomplished and any sound, reasonable posts go unnoticed (for the most part) because people want to get their tongue lashings in or you just want to get in a jab at one or the other person.
Quote:Liberals and Conservatives aren't supposed to get along. If they were sympatico they would be one party...unchalleneged. Policy should be challenged with vigor...it's just that when it's challenged poorly and ineffectively that weaker member of the herd issuing the substandard challenge should be smote some way.
Originally posted by RIPWash:All it does is perpetuate the myth that Liberals and Conservatives just can not get along. I know this isn't true, but all of this doesn't help.
Quote:No, we need them to remain to reinforce the corrosive effects evangelism and paranoia has had on the Conservapublineocontarian Party.
Originally posted by RIPWash:I know a lot of you feel that the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Graham and Hannity need to just go away.
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I get frustrated easily. In a "Can't we all just get along?" kinda way.
Malbadinlatin, count me as one of the Conservatives you "know" that does not display any faux outrage. I hope you have seen that by now. I certainly prefer humor over anger any day of the week.
Read what I said as "Get Along" in cool-headed way. Not "Let's all agree on this!!! WOOHOO!" Get along as in, "I might not agree with you, so let's look at this from another point of view."
Call me gullible and naive, I guess.
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... it quickly disintegrates to name-calling and bullying ...
... (Rap) might possibly not think things all the way through when he posts and many of you latch on to that and deride what he has to say. He responds in kind.
If only he did.
MOST of us post facts. MOST of us have backed-up our facts over and over with hard news, studies, laws, even definitions.
What does Rap do ? Does HE respond with facts ? Or does he make up things (lie) like '99% of them don't pay taxes', 'EVERYONE knew Saddam had WMDs' ....
Does HE back up what he posts with hard news and real data ? Or, when he does bother at all, does he quote snippets out of context, ignore 99% of the things he doesn't want to admit (for example, following UN resolutions supersede preceding ones), and quotes from right-wing OPINION pieces.
Does he discuss ? When it's pointed out that not EVEYONE thought Hussein had WMDs does HE come back with reasoned discourse ? Or does he claim victory, call people un-American, pout and run away ?
Rap has a history, which you might like to ignore, but most of us here have it with Rush's good dog.
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So, in the interests of experimentation, find something with which you disagree. Discuss it with him. Try to, anyway. Now do that twenty or thirty times. I suspect many of us will be looking on with glee. I know I will.
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BTW, I'm gonna talk about Finn a bit, too, 'cause he has Rapo's Disease, only in a milder form.
Last I left him, we were talking about the death penalty. I basically said that the death penalty was not a deterrent to crime because the peeps who engage in such behavior are so screwed up they're incapable of learning anyhow. (Either they were born without empathy or without impulse control, or suffered brain damage from being beaten, or were on drugs, or were plain crazy, or grew up in such a violent and chaotic environment that their brains developed badly.)
Finn's take was that I had justified the death penalty, because even if the people in question were not "at fault" they were also not redeemable and therefore SHOULD be executed. What Finn failed to realize was that his conclusion was based at least one of two assumptions, either/ both of which could be false: (1) The myth of redemptive violence (evil deserves to die) and/or (2) The myth of a maximally efficient society (anyone who is not productive deserves to die). In either case, the basis of Finn's judgement is that people should be sacrificed for certain ideas. And then... how is that different from terrorism? The only difference is that Finn thinks HIS ideas are better than theirs.
But that's where the irony came in: Finn's tagline for a while was that when you got the the point of doing ANTHING for your cause, that's when you became an extremist. The irony is that Finn never applied that to himself.
Lack of insight and judgement (Why do I believe that? What is that based on? Where does it break down?), inability to listen... these are critical failings for the supposedly intelligent human race.
"Looking at it from another point of view" is not in rapo's repertoire and possibly not in Finn's either, sorry to say.
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Rap has a history, which you might like to ignore, but most of us here have it with Rush's good dog.
So, in the interests of experimentation, find something with which you disagree. Discuss it with him. Try to, anyway. Now do that twenty or thirty times. I suspect many of us will be looking on with glee. I know I will.
I'd rather not. As I said - or at least apparently failed to - is that I KNOW you all have a history with him (so I did acknowlege - didn't ignore) of which I'm not privvy due to being relatively new to the forum. Perhaps using him was a poor example.
I tried not to offend with my post, but apparently did. Sorry about that, guys.
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