Dollhouse: Man on the Street. Do you think it delivered?

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SAB39

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I think having access to the computer in some way is still necessary for programming, so unless you're suggesting that Boyd could telepathically tamper with the imprint while he was talking to Topher, I really don't think it was Boyd.

I assumed Boyd was cooperating with the mole by distracting Topher so that the mole could tamper with Echo's program.

Which makes Saunders the mole, in my opinion.

RIVERDANCER

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:07 AM

In cahoots, cooperating, same dif. Sounds like the three of us agree on Boyd's role, at least. I'm having trouble picking a favorite on who did the actual tampering, though.

ASARIAN

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by Rhyianan:
Honestly, I don't know why everyone thinks that there is a mole. My read on the situation is that Echo was sent by Dewitt to do exactly what she did... convince Ballard to do things more quietly and misdirect him, eventually tipping him off to the attack on Mellie, which will be another thing that will get him to stop being as vocal. I see Echo taking over the role that Victor had played, giving Ballard fake information that he'll take as being credible. I may be wrong (Joss does tend to pull things out of nowhere), but that's the way things seemed to be put out in a rather straightforward fashion.

I ain't saying it ain't true. After all, there's no better way to control a resistance movement than to fake that movement yourself (I'm thinking '1984', the book, for instance). But it's also taking an incredible risk: tell a tenacious mofo like Ballard that the Dollhouse is real, and he'll never let go, ever, as in never.

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
In cahoots, cooperating, same dif. Sounds like the three of us agree on Boyd's role, at least. I'm having trouble picking a favorite on who did the actual tampering, though.

Boyd is a smart cookie; but he's street smart, ex-cop. I honestly don't see him as a computer wiz (unless that's part of his cover; but then, by that token, just about everyone qualifies). Also, as stated, there's cameras everywhere. Ivy, in that regard, is the only one who can hang around the place without drawing attention to herself. And has the intellectual and technical wherewithall to pull it off. She could easily slip in a new tape without anyone noticing. Adelle, on the other hand, is brass; she'd have to come all the way down in her wee elevator to get to Topher's office (if I got the layout right). Same goes for Dr. Saunders (she's on the ground level, no?).

My money is still on Ivy -- in more than one way. :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

ECGORDON

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I find the upside-down "AnGER" written on that base of the imprinting chair has a certain aesthetic appeal, wouldn't you, PhoenixRose? Great find. :)

You missed a letter. The word is DANGER.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:47 PM

Ah, I misinterpretted that as an ampersand, and since it didn't have any immediate meaning to me in relation to the rest of the word, I threw it out.

RHYIANAN

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
Honestly, I don't know why everyone thinks that there is a mole. My read on the situation is that Echo was sent by Dewitt to do exactly what she did... convince Ballard to do things more quietly and misdirect him, eventually tipping him off to the attack on Mellie, which will be another thing that will get him to stop being as vocal. I see Echo taking over the role that Victor had played, giving Ballard fake information that he'll take as being credible. I may be wrong (Joss does tend to pull things out of nowhere), but that's the way things seemed to be put out in a rather straightforward fashion.

I ain't saying it ain't true. After all, there's no better way to control a resistance movement than to fake that movement yourself (I'm thinking '1984', the book, for instance). But it's also taking an incredible risk: tell a tenacious mofo like Ballard that the Dollhouse is real, and he'll never let go, ever, as in never.

But do you think he would let the dollhouse go even if nobody ever told him it was real? He got shot and it didn't even phase him. Honestly, I don't think he ever would have stopped either way. At least with Echo feeding him information, he's under dollhouse control, less likely to make a ruckus, believing that he is helping to work the system from the inside. It's safer for them if he believes he is making a difference, even if all he is really doing is running in place taking the crumbs they throw him. However, if the rumors are true and

Select to view spoiler:

Echo & co regain memories and she leads a breakout in ep 8,

then Ballard won't be lead around in circles for very long.

I'm a leaf on the wind

ASARIAN

Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
Honestly, I don't know why everyone thinks that there is a mole. My read on the situation is that Echo was sent by Dewitt to do exactly what she did... convince Ballard to do things more quietly and misdirect him, eventually tipping him off to the attack on Mellie, which will be another thing that will get him to stop being as vocal. I see Echo taking over the role that Victor had played, giving Ballard fake information that he'll take as being credible. I may be wrong (Joss does tend to pull things out of nowhere), but that's the way things seemed to be put out in a rather straightforward fashion.

I ain't saying it ain't true. After all, there's no better way to control a resistance movement than to fake that movement yourself (I'm thinking '1984', the book, for instance). But it's also taking an incredible risk: tell a tenacious mofo like Ballard that the Dollhouse is real, and he'll never let go, ever, as in never.

But do you think he would let the dollhouse go even if nobody ever told him it was real? He got shot and it didn't even phase him. Honestly, I don't think he ever would have stopped either way. At least with Echo feeding him information, he's under dollhouse control, less likely to make a ruckus, believing that he is helping to work the system from the inside. It's safer for them if he believes he is making a difference, even if all he is really doing is running in place taking the crumbs they throw him. However, if the rumors are true and
Select to view spoiler:
Echo & co regain memories and she leads a breakout in ep 8,
then Ballard won't be lead around in circles for very long.

I kinda liked the idea of a mole. :) But you make a cogent case against it. And no, I don't think Ballard would really back off, regardless.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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