Buffy vs The Walkin' Dude

POSTED BY: Mantichorus
UPDATED: Monday, June 14, 2004 09:24
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MANTICHORUS

Monday, May 24, 2004 11:20 AM

Okay- if you haven't seen The Stand mini-series/film, or read any of Stephen King's books with Randall Flagg in (The Stand and the Dark Tower series), please don't post here.
In The Stand, Flagg is a powerful sorcerer, maybe even a demon (the end seems to imply that...). I'd like others opinions of my idea that he would be a worthy adversary to the Slayer.

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"BADGER: You think you're better than other people.
MAL: Just the ones I'm better than."
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"MAL: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.
SIMON: Yes, I'm very proud."

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, May 24, 2004 1:08 PM

Nah,ole Randall Flagg would mop the floor with the buffster - although... I'd pay to see it.

-frem
diefuxdie

MANTICHORUS

Monday, May 24, 2004 3:23 PM

It all depends on sides.
In a one-on-one, Flagg would beat Buffy before breakfast everyday, and twice on weekends. (Come on, he managed to survive a friggin' A-bomb!)
However...
-Buffy has a LOT of friends.
-The amount of activated Slayers after the Season 8 finale is unknown.
-If Willow becomes 'Evil-Psycho-Black-Witch' Willow, Flagg might have met an equal in power (and possibly a new bride...)
I would, however, imagine that Flagg would get some lieutenants to help out. (Possibly Ethan Rayne, for one.)

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"BADGER: You think you're better than other people.
MAL: Just the ones I'm better than."
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"MAL: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.
SIMON: Yes, I'm very proud."

TIMBEISHIR

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 5:03 PM

Okay, here we go. Flagg kills Buffy. In her grief, again, Willow goes on a rampage trying to kill Flagg and unleashes all of her power on him. While Flagg is distracted fending off Willow's attacks, Roland comes up from behind Willow and shoots Flagg in the heart, throat, and right between his eyes.

Anybody else itchin' for June 8th and the next book to get here?

SARAHETC

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 5:51 PM

I am beside myself with the itching. And woo! What a thrilling thread.

I love the idea of Flagg killing Buffy twice before breakfast. And I love the idea of Black Willow being a force Flagg would have to reckon with. And I also love the idea of a Black Willow-Roland one-two punch.

I always kind of read Flagg/Walkin' Dude/Man in Black as the devil-- the head guy. Maybe not like the first evil, but really the worst possible guy who was always among people and always trying to affect situations and events to his advantage. Do y'all think that the smarts factor would mean that he would never let a confrontation happen? Roland's gotten so close how many times now?

And to add a little something to the discussion, I think that they should make a whole big juggernaut of Dark Tower movies and that Anthony Stewart Head would make the ultimate Roland of Gilead, Gunslinger. The rugged features and the cool, blue eyes-- plus we know that he can kick ass when needed.

And do y'all think that the Dark Tower books are getting increasingly Firefly-esque? I mean, I know they came along way way before Mr Whedon created Firefly, but the ethos of the whole thing is so similar and resonant: just a few people, in a nearly completely hostile environment, trying to undo the damage of hostile authority. Plus, The Wolves of the Calla was so Seven Samurai-- it was so great.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TIMBEISHIR

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 8:24 PM

Never though of Tony Head for Roland, but it's a cool idea. I would think that they would have to either do them all together (which would be pretty difficult, if not impossible with seven books) like Lord of the Rings or change actors playing Jake to deal with the growing of a young man over the time of filming. Would be easier to do the latter. Here is how I would love to see the casting of the Ka-tet if they did it right now:
Roland Deschain= Clint Eastwood (You would have to do some good makeup for the first film, at least. And he just screams Roland to me. C'mon he's the last true American gunslinger.)
Eddie Dean= Sam Rockwell
Odetta/Detta/Susannah/Mia= Gina Torres
Jake Chambers (at least the oldest actor to play him)= Daniel Radcliffe

Anybody have any ideas for other castings? Nobody really hits me yet for the role of Flagg. I hope it wouldn't be Jamey Sheridan like in The Stand, though.

SOPRANOSBROWNCOAT

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 10:50 PM

Hey, nice to know there are other Browncoats who are fans of the Dark Tower as well. Buffy getting in on that universe could be interesting. . .imagine the conversations her and Father Callahan could have. And the Scoobies teaming up with the ka-tet. . .Xander and Eddie would vie for the best lines, Dawn and Jake would hit it off, perhaps even Buffy wouldn't be able to resist Roland, and in the end Spike would simply laugh at Flagg and proceed to open up a can of you-know-what. On the other hand, that could just be a really cheesey fanfic that everyone would still read. . .

That said, what does anyone think of the Dark Tower books right now, since they seem to be turning into something like a Stephen King fanfic?Characters from other books are constantly turning up, and lately EVERY BOOK seems to be connected to it. (Also, *SPOILER* There were lightsabers and sneetches in the last book, and the Wolves were dressed just like Dr. Doom.) I know this has nothing to do with Firefly, but I was just wondering what anyone thought, since most Message Boards dealing with King's universe seem to turn into a Serenity Valley-level flame war between disgruntled fanboys. Any thoughts?

And timbeishir, right on with Clint Eastwood as Roland!

SLAYER730

Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:07 AM

I'll agree with the "casting" of the DT movies, with one exception. I would cast the guy from Touching Evil (also in Blair Witch 2) as Eddie Dean.

My other thought? I loved the play-by-play of the Buffy/Roland/Flagg fight, but I think it'll take more than a few bullets to kill Flagg.

And what of the Crimson King???

***Never judge a book by its movie***

MANWITHPEZ

Thursday, June 3, 2004 12:38 AM

For me, the only contemporary to play Roland could be Hugh Jackman...He's tall, and can be skinny, wiry...you know.

I'd like to see Guy Pearce play Randall Flagg/Marten Broadcloak. He can be bad...I've seen it.

Gina Torres...YES!

I wouldn't mind seeing Mark Wahlberg play Eddie...Good lookin guy, New York accent's already there.

Jake...more problematic...What is he...10, 11..12 maybe...and blonde? Hmmm...

"You would've lied anyway..."
Mal

GUNSLINGINBROWNCOAT

Thursday, June 3, 2004 1:43 AM

Well, come on, it's /Roland's/ job to take care of Flagg, and Buffy wouldn't stand a chance! She could be useful against the Crimson King's undead vampire soldiers, though...

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"It must be all lies and of no account when the culture of a thousand years could not prevent this stream of blood being poured out, these tourture-chambers in their hundreds of thousands. A hospital alone shows what war is."
-All Quiet on the Western Front

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