Laurasaurus Ingraham

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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:42 AM

Yeah,I don't get why any moron would say we have an army built for wounding the enemy.

Lame.

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:32 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Iraq, not Vietnam, numb nutz

Sorry, but the 5.56x45 round that the M16 uses came into widespread use in the Viet Nam war, not the Iraq war. There's been some widespread call for a heavier round by the troops in Iraq, precisely BECAUSE the 5.56 (.223) round doesn't do an adequate job of killing, in their eyes, but merely wounds - which is by design.

Oh, and U.S. troops using the M16 are still trained and qualified on the rifle at ranges out to 500 yards, so that smaller bullet doesn't really lose range; if anything, it has a range advantage over the 7.62x39mm AK-47 round, which tends to be far less effective at ranges over 100 yards. So it's not like the M16 rounds are less likely to cause damage in an urban environment - they're just less likely to KILL, which is rather the point of them.

Granted, the "shoot to wound" philosophy is only effective in man-on-man shooting engagements, or in head-on infantry rifle battles. You're correct that howitzers, tanks, and bombs aren't intended to wound - they're quite a bit better at getting your opponent to leave an area!

Oh, another advantage of wounding your opponent? Psychological. Seeing men come home with horrific injuries can be rather demoralizing...

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:36 AM

OK, General.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:57 AM

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Someone has to stand up for reason and justice. Count me as one of them.

Since you can't reason and you wouldn't know justice if it bought you a drink.... How in god's name can you claim to be "for" either one?????

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:10 AM

Did you say free drinks?

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:10 AM

Man, for someone who's too chicken-shit to sign up AURight-back-behind-the-lines sure seems to think he knows a lot about military tactics.

No proper military has a primary goal of killing. Anti-Tank rounds (they're not shells, they're usually kinetic kill these days) aren't used to kill the crew, they're designed to disable the tank. Often that can't be done without killing the crew, but the objective is to disable the tank. Most of the time when a plane is brought down, it's done in a way that allows the pilot to eject. This is by design, because the enemy has to expend resources retrieving the pilot, and if you capture them they're valuable intelligence gathering resources.

Only someone who is truly ignorant of real military tactics and goals could make the sort of statements AUReichsLover does. The goal of a military is to destroy the enemies ability to make war. Killing is not part of the primary goal, it might be a way of achieving it at times, but it isn't a goal of the military.

Well, it might be for certain people. The paramilitary SS were certainly all about the mass murder. AU might indeed see the primary goal of the military to violently racially cleanse the enemy...

AURaptor advocates child murder:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Did you say free drinks?

I'll drink to that!

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:22 PM

Rapo.... Look, I know you probably feel like you're surrounded by enemies but there's a REASON for it. And if you had an iota of self-reflection, of reasoning ability, you might ask yourself (not us, I wouldn't expect that) "Why? Why do so many people disagree with me?

Contrary to what you might tell yourself, not everyone here is am ivory-tower fuzzy-headed librul who doesn't know the world is dangerous. Some of us are not college graduates. Some of us have lived in dangerous neighborhoods. Some of us have been in the military, or experienced terrorism or war first-hand. Some of us own a gun and are prepared to use it. I dare say that many of us have experienced as much danger and fear as you, if not more. We know its a rough world.

So why would so many people, of such diverse backgrounds, disagree with you so strongly?

Believe it or not, in a instance of supreme irony that only a careless universe could arrange, Finn posted the answer.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

MALBADINLATIN

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo.... Look, I know you probably feel like you're surrounded by enemies but there's a REASON for it. And if you had an iota of self-reflection, of reasoning ability, you might ask yourself (not us, I wouldn't expect that) "Why? Why do so many people disagree with me?

I know you weren't talking to me...but this is a microcosm of Conservia in exile. In relative disgrace, they have to sit alongside comparatively powerful Democrats hoping to chime in with something authoratative. If they don't catch a lucky break...thier only option is a maneuver children use in times of sparse attention...they go for negative attention, in this case, phony outrage. The more people who legitimize phony outrage with attention, the better the conservative feels.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:53 PM

Funny thing about that particular military philosophy - one of the many reasons for my eventual incompatibility with regular military service was that I simply do not ascribe to, and initially could not even comprehend, that philosophy.

Someone actually had to TELL me we weren't supposed to cut the throats of downed enemy troops who likely didn't know enough to bother dragging back for interrogation - to which my initial reaction was stunned incomprehension, not because of any innate bloodthirst or meanness, but simply cause it did not occur whatever to me to not do it.

I tend to not initiate violence, personally, but when it comes TO violence, I have a strong inclination to finish the job as thoroughly as possible, that being one reason for using a self defense weapon that only holds five shots in the first place, cause once it starts, it don't stop till the slide locks back and I really don't want to have to explain shooting a grounded opponent to a jury.

He gets all five standing, though.

Reason I mention this is BECAUSE the army spent so much time trying to pound that philosophy detailed above into my thick head, there's no way to say it isn't their operational objective.

Oh, and this just for you Siggy, I'll PM it to you to make sure, but imma post it here as well, feel free to open a new thread on it since it's relative not only to this, but so MANY other issues.

Facing the Myth of Redemptive Violence
http://ekklesia.co.uk/content/cpt/article_060823wink.shtml

-F

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