Dollhouse: Man on the Street. Do you think it delivered?

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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 23, 2009 4:14 AM

Hmmm, I thought Topher sounded more annoyed than anything, saying "I'm in my process..." in a rather exasperated manner. Also, when he comes back, the previously closed door is ajar. That could be misdirection, I suppose. And you're right, he seemed a little nervous asking Boyd if it was a cop thing, but Topher often seems charged with nervous energy, so I only gave it passing notice. Guess now I'll just have to watch it again, see if any hints for Topher being the mole pop out at me.

One other thing, though, I'm remembering Echo saying "We have a person on the inside." rather than the more common phrase, "We have a man on the inside." Am I wrong? Well, still more reason to watch again...

*edit* Yes, it's a glorious set all around, rich with detail. One of the many reasons I love Joss shows!

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ASARIAN

Monday, March 23, 2009 4:23 AM

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Also, when he comes back, the previously closed door is ajar. That could be misdirection, I suppose. Guess now I'll just have to watch it again, see if any hints for Topher being the mole pop out at me.

Well, I just thought of another one (see my *edit*). And I didn't even notice the door, doh.

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One other thing, though, I'm remembering Echo saying "We have a person on the inside." rather than the more common phrase, "We have a man on the inside." Am I wrong? Well, still more reason to watch again...

Yes, she did say that. Though, in all fairness, even had she said man, I think "We have a man on the inside." is just a generic phrase, like you say, and could well refer to a woman, too.

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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 23, 2009 4:31 AM

Ah, but it's not generic, it's common, there is a distinction
At the time the phrase originated, it was a man on the inside, pretty much exclusively. Often, when using the archaic phrase to refer to a woman, a correction would shortly follow. Maybe it's not significant, but it sprang to my mind.

And I saw your edit, and my post was shortly edited accordingly. I thought I was fast enough no one would notice, hehe.

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ASARIAN

Monday, March 23, 2009 4:57 AM

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Often, when using the archaic phrase to refer to a woman, a correction would shortly follow. Maybe it's not significant, but it sprang to my mind.

English not being my native tongue, I'll take your word for it.

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And I saw your edit, and my post was shortly edited accordingly. I thought I was fast enough no one would notice, hehe.

And I guess I was just a mite too late to see your edit 'bout my edit. :) These things happen.

I'll go check out your ShinyUniverse thread now (though I'm not all that comfortable navigating ShinyUniverse yet). But it certainly looks like you found a gem or two. :)

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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 23, 2009 5:14 AM

Truly, there is a LOT of stuff on Shiny Universe, and it can be difficult to navigate all the myriad stuff. Also truly, I've found some golden nuggets

English isn't your native tongue? I wouldn't have guessed that, and if I at any point knew that, I'd forgotten, sorry about that. What is?

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ASARIAN

Monday, March 23, 2009 7:14 AM

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I did find myself wondering about DeWitt's voice on the answering machine as well. I wonder if that will lead anywhere? For now, I'm assuming there's a bit in Mellie's program that tells her to delete the message. Might be weak, but if they can trigger her to snap a man's neck, surely they can build in a trigger to push a button.

Not that weak, really. Or maybe the 'unsafe' word (to paraphrase Simon) only works once. But yeah, she's likely programmed to erase it. Otherwise, I wonder what happens when she, oh, goes shopping with her mom or something, and she decides to quickly play her messages again before they leave the house? Could get messy. :)

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Actually, as I'm currently rewatching it, Ballard is being strangled by one of the security guys when Echo is pulled out of the kitchen, making it rather difficult for him to leave off at that moment.

Yeah. And I kinda withdraw my earlier objection in that regard. In fact, he was so pre-occupied, I now think it should probably have surprised him even that she was gone, after the fight. Still, Boyd waltzing in all the time. pulling a near Deus ex Machina, really is pushing the envelope a bit. But then again, there were a lot of men in the house, and Ballard doesn't know Boyd from Adam, either; so to him (should he have even noticed it with whatever eye he could spare at the time) it may just have looked like one of the security folks was getting the missus out of harm's way.

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English isn't your native tongue? I wouldn't have guessed that, and if I at any point knew that, I'd forgotten, sorry about that. What is?

It's Dutch, actually. Great language! Unfortunately, it don't get you very far in this crap hill 'Verse. :) So, English it is.

P.S. Echo, aka Rebecca, going on about hubby being in porn was hi-frakkin-larious. :)

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ZEEK

Monday, March 23, 2009 6:30 PM

Topher is nervous when talking to Boyd because he's lying to him about Echo's engagement. He knows they're sending Echo out to fight/kill Ballard and he tells Boyd that they're sending her to some doctor to do something non-violent. He's obviously been ordered to keep this information from Boyd so he's nervous.

I don't see why people think this technology is so advanced that only Topher could know how to use it. There are 20 or more dollhouses and the news reporter says the rumors date back to the late 80's. Which means the tech was there long before Topher. If anything he's just been trained to use it. He didn't develop it. Which means just about anyone in the Dollhouse could have gained access to the information needed to program a Doll. Plus once someone knows how to program a Doll they don't need to be anywhere near that room to do it. They can just program a Doll to do their bidding while they distract Topher. Meaning Boyd is not ruled out by any means. Right now I'd focus more on motive than means.

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 23, 2009 7:27 PM

I think having access to the computer in some way is still necessary for programming, so unless you're suggesting that Boyd could telepathically tamper with the imprint while he was talking to Topher, I really don't think it was Boyd.
Clearly, Topher isn't the only one ever who can use this technology, but it's also clearly more than just point-and-click, it's a science which must be learned and comprehended. My suspicions therefore fall more strongly on the scientists, highly trained, and long-term employees within the Dollhouse. Such as, say, Ivy, Dr. Saunders, DeWitt... gosh, I feel somehow like I'm repeating myself.

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BYTEMITE

Monday, March 23, 2009 7:58 PM

Well, and plus, there is that whole freak-out that Topher has about who could've snagged their frequencies.

I'll admit that he would have to be a REALLY good actor to be faking that.

But anyway. In his freak-out, he ultimately concludes that no one else besides himself or Alpha could do that, including his counterpart in a Japanese dollhouse. And while he's a pretty arrogant guy (unless it's an act), he goes through all the other candidates so methodically before giving a reason for dismissing them that I'm inclined to believe him when he says he's the best.

I don't know what significance that has on him being the mole, if any. Just my take on it.

But no, I also agree that people besides Topher could possibly learn how to do it.

ZEEK

Monday, March 23, 2009 8:42 PM

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I think having access to the computer in some way is still necessary for programming, so unless you're suggesting that Boyd could telepathically tamper with the imprint while he was talking to Topher, I really don't think it was Boyd.

No I'm suggesting if you can program a Doll then you can program one to mess with programming when you're out of the room. 2 + 2 = 4

It also actually looked exactly point and clickish when Topher was making his program. He may have needed training to know what to put together, but still he was just pointing and clicking.

They're obviously able to train new employees to program dolls. Which means there's documentation somewhere. If someone got access to that and studied then they can program dolls.

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