Dollhouse: Man on the Street. Do you think it delivered?
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UPDATED: Thursday, March 26, 2009 07:41
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I have two theories as to who the mole could be. First is Dr. Saunders, who has an understandable beef with the workings of the Dollhouse. The second, with less revealed motivation but greater means, is the cute lab assistant, Ivy.
My first pick is Ivy.
Poison Ivy, eh? Nah! It can't be her! She's just too pretty! :)
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And how is Topher supposed to notice anything she does when she runs around in lace stockings?
Topher doesn't seem to notice her at all. He ain't quite right.
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My wife favors Dr. Saunders, who I must admit is a strong candidate.
The guy we saw stick the photo of Caroline in the envelope was, well, a guy! :) So, can't be Dr. Saunders, either.
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I have two theories as to who the mole could be. First is Dr. Saunders, who has an understandable beef with the workings of the Dollhouse. The second, with less revealed motivation but greater means, is the cute lab assistant, Ivy.
My first pick is Ivy.
Poison Ivy, eh? Nah! It can't be her! She's just too pretty! :)
So was River.
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The guy we saw stick the photo of Caroline in the envelope was, well, a guy! :) So, can't be Dr. Saunders, either.
Saunders could be the mole within the organization. We're not talking about Alpha.
I do have I certain theory on that, which involves us not having seen Alpha yet; the guy we see sticking the photo of Caroline in the envelope is a doll, programmed by Alpha as an intermediary. Though I've no doubt Alpha is male, being consistently referred to as 'he' by the employees of the Dollhouse, I don't think he's been seen yet. But that's my theory; I've already expounded upon it in various places over at Shiny Universe.
Anyway, we were talking about the mole? Who do you think it is?
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YESSSS!!!!
FINALLY!
HELL FREAKING YES, IT DELIVERED! And not a moment too soon. I was watching it only because (a) it was the last thing on my DVR, and I didn't want to watch basketball, and (b) it's Joss, so I've given it a LOT of leeway. Seriously, I was ready to write the show off, figuring Joss had overreached and failed. There hasn't been a single episode where I cared one whit about any of these people, really - UNTIL NOW! Now I'm hooked. My wife and I were both, at the end of the episode, after watching the previews for next week, looking at each other in shock: "I can't wait for next week! Damn - that looks like it's going to be GOOD!!"
So Joss, ya bastich, you got me again.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Originally posted by asarian:
Poison Ivy, eh? Nah! It can't be her! She's just too pretty! :)
So was River.
Touché.
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The guy we saw stick the photo of Caroline in the envelope was, well, a guy! :) So, can't be Dr. Saunders, either.
Saunders could be the mole within the organization. We're not talking about Alpha.
Hmm, I thought they were one and the same. But, yeah, if not, then it really could be Ivy (*snif*). Or Dr. Saunders, yes: most folks develop a rational dislike towards organizations that get your face slashed. And as a Doctor she's gotta have some moral issues with the whole deal, too (especially since she's so kind-hearted). But let's not discount Boyd, either, then. He has 'disapproval' written all over his face, constantly.
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I do have I certain theory on that, which involves us not having seen Alpha yet; the guy we see sticking the photo of Caroline in the envelope is a doll, programmed by Alpha as an intermediary.
Could be that's true. And if he knows how to 'remote wipe,' then it stands to reason he can use that same 56k modem signal to 'remote upload,' too. Scary stuff.
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The mole and Alpha could not possibly be one and the same. Number one, it was blatantly stated that this was the first contact the mole was having with Ballard, as well as being stated that the program was tampered with to add this parameter. The program was likely tampered with while Boyd was talking to Topher, making him a strong candidate for being in cahoots, as I said, but impossible that he was the one doing the actual tinkering. Whoever it was is inside the Dollhouse, with means and ability to get into the programming, which is why my suspicions fall strongly on Ivy.
As for remote upload, I don't think it's entirely remote.
This, if I'm right, is Alpha's version of the imprint chair. Go to http://www.shinyuniverse.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=880#shiny for the potentially spoilish image on which I initially based my theory.
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I believe at the time that Ballard was busy strangling one of the security guys on the kitchen island, so he easily could have stopped and cut off Boyd and Echo.
Actually, as I'm currently rewatching it, Ballard is being strangled by one of the security guys when Echo is pulled out of the kitchen, making it rather difficult for him to leave off at that moment.
I did find myself wondering about DeWitt's voice on the answering machine as well. I wonder if that will lead anywhere? For now, I'm assuming there's a bit in Mellie's program that tells her to delete the message. Might be weak, but if they can trigger her to snap a man's neck, surely they can build in a trigger to push a button.
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Finally, a Dollhouse ep that didn't threaten to put me asleep! (Ok, last week's ep wasn't *that* bad.)
Not only was "Man On The Street" the best Dollhouse ep (so far?), it felt like it might turn out to be one of those BIG classic Jossverse episodes. Maybe on par with Ariel.
Turns out this is my kind of party!
And PhoenixRose:
I think one of my old CRT monitors is in that screenshot.
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Ivy, Dr. Saunders and Adelle DeWitt are the most likely candidates for being the mole. Which is why I don't think it is either one of them. I'm leaning toward it being Topher himself. He is more than likely the most knowledgeable about the system and able to cover his tracks.
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
The mole and Alpha could not possibly be one and the same. Number one, it was blatantly stated that this was the first contact the mole was having with Ballard, as well as being stated that the program was tampered with to add this parameter. The program was likely tampered with while Boyd was talking to Topher, making him a strong candidate for being in cahoots, as I said, but impossible that he was the one doing the actual tinkering. Whoever it was is inside the Dollhouse, with means and ability to get into the programming, which is why my suspicions fall strongly on Ivy.
As for remote upload, I don't think it's entirely remote.
This, if I'm right, is Alpha's version of the imprint chair. Go to http://www.shinyuniverse.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=880#shiny for the potentially spoilish image on which I initially based my theory.
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Originally posted by pachelbel:
I believe at the time that Ballard was busy strangling one of the security guys on the kitchen island, so he easily could have stopped and cut off Boyd and Echo.
Actually, as I'm currently rewatching it, Ballard is being strangled by one of the security guys when Echo is pulled out of the kitchen, making it rather difficult for him to leave off at that moment.
I did find myself wondering about DeWitt's voice on the answering machine as well. I wonder if that will lead anywhere? For now, I'm assuming there's a bit in Mellie's program that tells her to delete the message. Might be weak, but if they can trigger her to snap a man's neck, surely they can build in a trigger to push a button.
Wow. I thought Ballard was doing the strangling! So, yes, it would be difficult for him to leave then.
It was a lucky thing that Dewitt got through to Ballard's apartment phone before Ballard got through on his cell phone, huh?
Isn't it a bad thing for the Dollhouse to have a dead handler in and FBI guy's apartment?
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
The mole and Alpha could not possibly be one and the same. Number one, it was blatantly stated that this was the first contact the mole was having with Ballard, as well as being stated that the program was tampered with to add this parameter. The program was likely tampered with while Boyd was talking to Topher, making him a strong candidate for being in cahoots, as I said, but impossible that he was the one doing the actual tinkering. Whoever it was is inside the Dollhouse, with means and ability to get into the programming, which is why my suspicions fall strongly on Ivy.
Watching it again, I think it's Ivy now, too, LOL. First off, we hear her suggest something incredibly smart to Topher about inhibitors or some such, indicating (to us) that she's qualified to do a whole lot more than just getting Topher's food. Then Topher is being interrupted by Boyd, and when he comes back, the camera is focussed on the 'tape' in such a way that suggests it may have been changed or tampered with in his absence. That would really only leave Ivy.
Topher himself, gotta say, is not above suspicion, either. Ask yourself, why is he so nervous when Boyd drops in? (In a nervous manner) Topher says something like: "Hey.. Boyd, I was just doing my..." Like Boyd would give a shit about his geek stuff (let alone understand it). But a Topher feeling guilty over what he's in the middle of doing might react just like that.
*edit* Also, Topher, quasi-nonchalant, asks Boyd how he 'made' the perp; whether it was a cop-thing or something. Again, a guilty Topher might be nervous about that, worried that Boyd might get to him that way, too.
Just sayin'.
Anyway, thanks PhoenixRose for giving me a reason to go watch it again. :)
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