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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:26 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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In 1988 George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis among college graduates by 25 points. Nothing unusual there: Republicans have owned the college-graduate vote. But in 1992 Ross Perot led an exodus of the college-educated out of the GOP, and they never fully returned.

Hmmmm... Is he making this up? I've always heard that the "college elite" are all "left-wing loons" who vote Democrat? Could it be that that's just another one of those conservative myths?

Mike

Can't tell if you are being intentionally obtuse, or it's just your normal not paying attention mode.
The quote is correct, college-EDUCATED and college-GRADUATE have always been GOP voters. The perpetual college-STUDENT and college NON-GRADUATE sectors are liberals, voting mostly for Democrats. One they enter the real world, they open their eyes, grow up, and vote GOP.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:58 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

*Laughter*
You hit that nail right on the head.
AURaptor's inferiority complex is getting the best of him.

-River

Classic Liberal mistake. Assuming those who don't share your view points feel inferior to you or even give a damn what you think.

We don't.

.

Anyway, I am no liberal. You keep calling me that, yet you have no evidence that this is what I am. You believe this only because I voted for Obama. It never occurred to you that I voted for Obama because at this point in time I believe that he is the BEST choice of a person to lead this ravaged country. I am actually a conservative, but you call me a liberal only because I don't believe in your steal-food-from-the-mouths-of-children ideology. Greedy, closed minded idiots like you should be put up against the wall.

You and your leader Rush LimTARD can go fish up a tree.

-River

Not a liberal? How delusional must one be to believe this?

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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In 1988 George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis among college graduates by 25 points. Nothing unusual there: Republicans have owned the college-graduate vote. But in 1992 Ross Perot led an exodus of the college-educated out of the GOP, and they never fully returned.

Hmmmm... Is he making this up? I've always heard that the "college elite" are all "left-wing loons" who vote Democrat? Could it be that that's just another one of those conservative myths?

Mike

Can't tell if you are being intentionally obtuse, or it's just your normal not paying attention mode.
The quote is correct, college-EDUCATED and college-GRADUATE have always been GOP voters. The perpetual college-STUDENT and college NON-GRADUATE sectors are liberals, voting mostly for Democrats. One they enter the real world, they open their eyes, grow up, and vote GOP.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Jimmy Carter had graduated college. Guess I was wrong...

Also, it's good to know that the ivory-tower Ivy League intellectual elite are now the college non-graduate sector.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Also, it's good to know that the ivory-tower Ivy League intellectual elite are now the college non-graduate sector.

Yes, I'm feeling a little schitzoid here...did I graduate or NOT?
Must I vote differently now?
If so, how?
AU & JSF both seem to speak for all Conservatives, who is the true authority here???

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0
.html

No High School (3%) 64%D 35%R
H.S. Graduate (21%) 55%D 44%R
Some College (31%) 51%D 47%R
College Graduate (27%) 49%D 49%R
Postgraduate (18%) 58%D 41%R

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Silence is consent.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:27 PM

Hmmmm...these stats seem to shoot BOTH AU & JSF's statements of fact down.

Sorry guys.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:30 PM

"Nothing unusual there: Republicans have owned the college-graduate vote."
An even break between D and R for college graduates doesn't indicate to me that R 'owns' the demographic. OTOH it does appear to be true that D does 'own' every other demographic.

"The quote is correct, college-EDUCATED and college-GRADUATE have always been GOP voters."
They apparently are ALSO democratic voters - in equal numbers.

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Silence is consent.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:21 PM

Oooh, now that rapo's been roundly discredited (again) I see the sock puppet has come out to play! JSF, come here. I have a nice shiny pair of scissors I want to try out.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:28 PM

Oh, BTW Rue, Chris, Kwicko... Apparently you just don't understand what rapo means. He doesn't really mean college-educated or college graduate. What he REALLY means is... people who graduated from college who aren't liberal! In other words, ya gotta exclude the Ivy League schools (which would more or less exclude Bush; but who's counting?), Berkeley, UCLA, and, well... pretty much the whole UC system. ANY university that teaches "Liberal Arts". NYC universities. All foreign universities, or USA universities with foreign programs. ANY university that has applied for, or will apply for, an ESC research grant. All PhD candidates. So, pretty much limited to the agricultural colleges. Yanno, THOSE college graduates!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:29 PM

No comments from the schooled peanut gallery, I see.

The laughing Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:55 PM

Just thought I'd bump this, 'cause it was funny as hell.

Wingnuts gettin' pwned is awesome!

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:14 PM

Didn't AuLapdog already declare himself the winner? I notice every time he gets totally owned on something, he throws up a quick "I win!" and then checks out for a week or so. It's part of the coward's creed.

If he gets REALLY brave, he might show up as one of his sockpuppets to have another go.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:22 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hmmmm...these stats seem to shoot BOTH AU & JSF's statements of fact down.

Sorry guys.

The laughing Chrisisall

And now, the REST of the story....

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And now, the REST of the story....

Yes, very scientific.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:30 PM

Just keepin' it real, dog.

Straight from the peeps in the streets!

Wurd.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:36 PM

The conservative rebuttal from the peeps in the street:

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just keepin' it real, dog.

Yo twisted kid, y'all FAIL to keep it real, know what ahm sayin'?

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:42 PM

SOOO much fun to argue about a fat blow-hard than whats really fin important isnt it?

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
SOOO much fun to argue about a fat blow-hard than whats really fin important isnt it?

It's no use screaming about the economy...it's on fire.

The laughing Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
SOOO much fun to argue about a fat blow-hard than whats really fin important isnt it?

And complaining about what others discuss is soooo much more productive, right?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And complaining about what others discuss is soooo much more productive, right?

Kwicko, is that you?

KWICKO

Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:00 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
And complaining about what others discuss is soooo much more productive, right?

Kwicko, is that you?

Um... Nope.

As I've said before, if I'm going to take the time to insult someone, I'll be happy to sign my name to it.

Mike

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:29 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0
.html

No High School (3%) 64%D 35%R
H.S. Graduate (21%) 55%D 44%R
Some College (31%) 51%D 47%R
College Graduate (27%) 49%D 49%R
Postgraduate (18%) 58%D 41%R

Golly, 2006? Could we possibly find an off-Presidential election year with unusually large liberal turnout to prove that historically a demographic does not vote the way they do? 2006 would be that choice.
Your figures show that, in a predominantly liberal turnout, College Grads were even for both parties, and represented over a quarter of the vote, and Some College had a 4% margin, representing almost a third of the votes - whoooo, impressive.

Let's try 2004:
No HS (4%) 49%R 50%D
HS Grad (22%) 52%R 47%D
Some Coll (32%) 54%R 46%D
Col Grad (26%) 52%R 46%D
Post Grad Study (16%) 44%R 55%D

There appears to show almost a third of voters had some college, giving an 8% margin for GOP, and another quarter of voters as College Grads wiht a 6% margin.

How about 1988?
College 58%R 42%D
High School 54%R 46%D
Grade School 45%R 55%D

Hmm, not the greatest breakdown, but "College" has a 16% margin - that being the largest margin of the 3 breakdowns shown (didn't find better breakdown.

How about 1984?
College 61%R 39%D
High School 57%R 43%D
Grade School 49%R 51%D
Well, then "College" group only showed a 22% margin, and was still the largest margin of the groups listed. One might conclude that "College" voters were more likely to vote GOP. huh.

So, when it comes to proving that historically, GOP voters were concentrated among the College Grads, I guess you really did your homework - or were you just being selective?

Even in your example of 2006, the margins for the College groups (0% and 4%) were significantly more GOP than the other groups (8% for next largest group). Golly, that's like, in line with, the other data, like man.

Of course, the original reference stated the elections of 1988 and 1992, and stated "they never returned" (the college grads who voted GOP). So picking 2006 as an example is sorta......?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:53 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
WoW!
AURaptor is really stupid. He's living in some kind of dreamland. Don't waste your breathe arguing with him because you might as well be arguing with a retarded kid with deep emotional issues. He's as moronic as every "ditto-head" I've met in my life.

What is really funny is he does a lot of typing, but makes no sense at all, and he crazy part is that he "thinks" he's making sense. I am the REAL Conservative AURaptor and you are just some kind of wannabe. You seriously need to sit down and STFU.

-River

Wow. Not only can this one not provide one single example of a conservative idea they expouse, and claim to be a conservative while spewing liberalisms galore, but they also do not consider AuRaptor to be a conservative?
I will admit that I have pointed out when AuRaptor seemed less conservative in his liberalistic posts, but I had thought everybody else here considered him to be, quite clearly and consistently, conservative. Now this delusional unit who can't even proclaim one single conservative tenet (real or imagined), claims he is not.
I had wondered what possible State River was from to get that whacked, but it is now obvious it's the State of Delusion.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:38 AM

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I am the REAL Conservative AURaptor and you are just some kind of wannabe. You seriously need to sit down and STFU.

Ya know, RiveR never did give one example of anything which she held to which was in any remote way 'conservative'. Instead, she just went on insulting me and told me to " STFU " .

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CITIZEN

Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:19 AM

A bride on her wedding night says to her husband 'I must confess darling, I was a hooker!'.
He says 'That's all right, dear. Your past is your past, but I must admit that I find it quite erotic. Tell me about it'.
She replies 'Well, my name was Nigel, and I played for Wigan!'

KWICKO

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0
.html

No High School (3%) 64%D 35%R
H.S. Graduate (21%) 55%D 44%R
Some College (31%) 51%D 47%R
College Graduate (27%) 49%D 49%R
Postgraduate (18%) 58%D 41%R

Golly, 2006? Could we possibly find an off-Presidential election year with unusually large liberal turnout to prove that historically a demographic does not vote the way they do? 2006 would be that choice.
Your figures show that, in a predominantly liberal turnout, College Grads were even for both parties, and represented over a quarter of the vote, and Some College had a 4% margin, representing almost a third of the votes - whoooo, impressive.

Let's try 2004:
No HS (4%) 49%R 50%D
HS Grad (22%) 52%R 47%D
Some Coll (32%) 54%R 46%D
Col Grad (26%) 52%R 46%D
Post Grad Study (16%) 44%R 55%D

There appears to show almost a third of voters had some college, giving an 8% margin for GOP, and another quarter of voters as College Grads wiht a 6% margin.

How about 1988?
College 58%R 42%D
High School 54%R 46%D
Grade School 45%R 55%D

Hmm, not the greatest breakdown, but "College" has a 16% margin - that being the largest margin of the 3 breakdowns shown (didn't find better breakdown.

How about 1984?
College 61%R 39%D
High School 57%R 43%D
Grade School 49%R 51%D
Well, then "College" group only showed a 22% margin, and was still the largest margin of the groups listed. One might conclude that "College" voters were more likely to vote GOP. huh.

So, when it comes to proving that historically, GOP voters were concentrated among the College Grads, I guess you really did your homework - or were you just being selective?

Even in your example of 2006, the margins for the College groups (0% and 4%) were significantly more GOP than the other groups (8% for next largest group). Golly, that's like, in line with, the other data, like man.

Of course, the original reference stated the elections of 1988 and 1992, and stated "they never returned" (the college grads who voted GOP). So picking 2006 as an example is sorta......?

Golly, looks like selectivity is contagious! I notice you posted ONLY numbers for years in which a Republican won the Presidency, eh?

And you brought up 1992, and then DIDN'T post those numbers.
Could that be because Clinton won?

I'd like to see the numbers for '92, '96, and 2000. Double-aught might be interesting, since a Republican "won" the election, but not the popular vote. Wonder how that one would skew...

Mike

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

KWICKO

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
I am the REAL Conservative AURaptor and you are just some kind of wannabe. You seriously need to sit down and STFU.

Ya know, RiveR never did give one example of anything which she held to which was in any remote way 'conservative'. Instead, she just went on insulting me and told me to " STFU " .

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

For the record, I don't consider LapDog a conservative either. I think of him as a right-wing fundamentalist nut-job - he's out at the extreme right fringe, out past the John Birchers. And JSF, being his alter-ego, is just more of the same.

CITIZEN

Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
For the record, I don't consider LapDog a conservative either. I think of him as a right-wing fundamentalist nut-job - he's out at the extreme right fringe, out past the John Birchers. And JSF, being his alter-ego, is just more of the same.

They're just pissed because River is stealing their tactics.

A bride on her wedding night says to her husband 'I must confess darling, I was a hooker!'.
He says 'That's all right, dear. Your past is your past, but I must admit that I find it quite erotic. Tell me about it'.
She replies 'Well, my name was Nigel, and I played for Wigan!'

RIVER6213

Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
WoW!
AURaptor is really stupid. He's living in some kind of dreamland. Don't waste your breathe arguing with him because you might as well be arguing with a retarded kid with deep emotional issues. He's as moronic as every "ditto-head" I've met in my life.

What is really funny is he does a lot of typing, but makes no sense at all, and he crazy part is that he "thinks" he's making sense. I am the REAL Conservative AURaptor and you are just some kind of wannabe. You seriously need to sit down and STFU.

-River

Wow. Not only can this one not provide one single example of a conservative idea they expouse, and claim to be a conservative while spewing liberalisms galore, but they also do not consider AuRaptor to be a conservative?
I will admit that I have pointed out when AuRaptor seemed less conservative in his liberalistic posts, but I had thought everybody else here considered him to be, quite clearly and consistently, conservative. Now this delusional unit who can't even proclaim one single conservative tenet (real or imagined), claims he is not.
I had wondered what possible State River was from to get that whacked, but it is now obvious it's the State of Delusion.

I'll cut you a break seeing that you are retarded and all. So if one isn't a Rush Limbaugh Conservative then he isn't a Conservative is this correct? Because I voted for Obama automatically makes me a Liberal in your eyes? LOL!!! If ANYONE is delusional its the legion of idiots that follow Rush, and his idiotic view of things, and it will be the death of this divisive country mark my words on this.

You wouldn't know a true Conservative if we came up to you and defecated in your face.

I rest my case. You are an idiot.

-River

RIVER6213

Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
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I am the REAL Conservative AURaptor and you are just some kind of wannabe. You seriously need to sit down and STFU.

Ya know, RiveR never did give one example of anything which she held to which was in any remote way 'conservative'. Instead, she just went on insulting me and told me to " STFU " .

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

For the record, I don't consider LapDog a conservative either. I think of him as a right-wing fundamentalist nut-job - he's out at the extreme right fringe, out past the John Birchers. And JSF, being his alter-ego, is just more of the same.

It must really bother you that a true Conservative such as I can see right through your BS. It must hurt you deep inside knowing that I know that you are nothing more than a clown from the 50s shouting "Communism!" at everyone that doesn't agree, or refuse to be kowtowed by your fascist views laughingly disguised as "Rush Conservatism." I'm just curious about something AR. Where you a Special Education Student? Just asking...

I gave you many examples of my Conservatism views, but you have yet to give any examples of your own...No Wait, yes you did. All you've managed to do SO FAR is parrot everything your GOD Rush Limbaugh says, and to me that clown is NO Conservatism. What Rush needs is to be tried and executed. That would be doing this recovering nation a serious favor, but as usual you are too stupid, or too ignorant to see it.

-River

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I had thought everybody else here considered him to be, quite clearly and consistently, conservative.

Agreeing with Kwicko here, I NEVER thought of AU as Conservative. A Conservative is one who thinks & makes rational judgements.
AU is like any Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore fan- a wacko. Politically, just a brainless human tape recorder.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:20 PM

"So, when it comes to proving that historically, GOP voters were concentrated among the College Grads, I guess you really did your homework - or were you just being selective?"

Nope, just did quick google to see where things stand. And where they are NOW - not so good for your 'side'.

And you had to go all the way back to '88 and '84 ? It makes me wonder about all those other years - the ones it seems like you had to skip over. I'll have to check them out. Thanks for highlighting them for me.

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:56 PM

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If ANYONE is delusional its the legion of idiots that follow Rush, and his idiotic view of things, and it will be the death of this divisive country mark my words on this.

Disagree with ya on this, River. It won't be the death of this country - only of that particular party!

That's why I'm all for it. Kill the Republican party, let it wither and die, because in its place will sprout two new parties - one, a far-right fascist party of neo-cons like Rush and 'Rap, the other (larger) one a party of the center, of the rational, of the REAL Consevatives, who want not what Rush wants, but rather what THE COUNTRY wants.

Mike

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:35 PM

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Politically, just a brainless human tape recorder.

OUCH! But true.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

It must really bother you that a true Conservative such as I can see right through your BS. It must hurt you deep inside knowing that I know that you are nothing more than a clown from the 50s shouting "Communism!" at everyone that doesn't agree, or refuse to be kowtowed by your fascist views laughingly disguised as "Rush Conservatism." I'm just curious about something AR. Where you a Special Education Student? Just asking...

I gave you many examples of my Conservatism views, but you have yet to give any examples of your own...No Wait, yes you did. All you've managed to do SO FAR is parrot everything your GOD Rush Limbaugh says, and to me that clown is NO Conservatism. What Rush needs is to be tried and executed. That would be doing this recovering nation a serious favor, but as usual you are too stupid, or too ignorant to see it.

-River

More childish insults, more lies with claims you've offered your conservative views and that you're a 'TRUE' conservative.

Quote:

You wouldn't know a true Conservative if we came up to you and defecated in your face.

I rest my case. You are an idiot.

-River

You won't answer a simple, straight forward question. I find that odd.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:56 PM

kwickie, the fascist are on the Left, my friend. Not the Right.

Quote:
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.

- Barack Obama, 2001

- The underlying implication being that weatlh was " distributed" in the first place by some all powerful, unseen force, and not earned, by ANYONE.

Quote:
"And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um.... Would be about…, basically…, taking over…, and the government running all of your companies."

Rep.Maxine Waters (D) CA

Gov't control of private business. The very DEFINITION of fascism. Pure and simple.

Quote:
"We also will be asking Mr. Liddy to give us the names of the recipients," Frank said at the hearing. "If [he] declines to give us the names, then I will convene the committee and have a vote to subpoena the names."

Rep. Barney Frank (D) Mass.

This even though A.I.G. ceo Liddy explained there have been death threats directed toward those contracted to be given bonuses, and making their names public might endanger the employees , and their families. Barney Frank still doesn't give a damn, even if ALL the $$ is given back, he's been given an opportunity to make a 3 Ring Circus out of this and shift blame away from himself and the OTHER Dems who caused all this mess in the 1st place.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:10 PM

"Gov't control of private business. The very DEFINITION of fascism. Pure and simple."

At this point the government (that's us) is an 80% shareholder in AIG. It didn't take 'control' - it did a buy out. That's the capitalist way.

The alternative is for AIG to cease to exist.

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Silence is consent.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
he's been given an opportunity to make a 3 Ring Circus out of this and shift blame away from himself

Can't deny this part.
It's misplaced anger over the so-called AIG bonuses.

More dogs & ponies for the show.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
it did a buy out. That's the capitalist way.

This is also true.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:20 PM

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The alternative is for AIG to cease to exist.

THAT would have been the capitalist way.

Claims that " we the people" are the Government any more, while noble, are naive and false.

The Imperial Federal Government is the tank, and "the people" is represented by the lone man standing in front.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:22 PM

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Gov't control of private business. The very DEFINITION of fascism.

You got is bass-akwards. Again. Fascism is business control of government.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:35 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Gov't control of private business. The very DEFINITION of fascism.
You got is bass-akwards. Again. Fascism is business control of government.

Was that you, Sig?

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The Imperial Federal Government

So...it became the "Imperial Federal Government" since Bush stepped down? Or before that?
I don't disagree, btw.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:39 PM

Probably since FDR ascended to the throne.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:41 PM

"The alternative is for AIG to cease to exist."

"THAT would have been the capitalist way."

Hey, if capitalism is so good, why SHOULDN'T the government buy out a business in distress at rock-bottom prices ? In your book, is that bad ?

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Silence is consent.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"The alternative is for AIG to cease to exist."

"THAT would have been the capitalist way."

Hey, if capitalism is so good, why SHOULDN'T the government buy out a business in distress at rock-bottom prices ? In your book, is that bad ?

Yes, because then the Gov't would be in the business of choosing winners and losers, and that exceeds its proper function.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Probably since FDR ascended to the throne.

I'd say even before that.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:43 PM

Is that you, Rap ?

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Could it BE any more sleezy ?

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:47 PM

Aghhh! Rue, it's too BIG!!!
EDIT: Thanks!

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:49 PM

Quote:
Was that you, Sig?

Oh, man! Do you have a thing for me, or what????

But I noticed you didn't dispute my point, so.... I must be right!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Could it BE any more sleezy ?

Drug soaked hypocritical hate-monger. When he goes to Hell, Satan will have everyone down there ignore him.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Was that you, Sig?
Oh, man! Do you have a thing for me, or what????

But I noticed you didn't dispute my point, so.... I must be right!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

It was too silly to dignify w/ a sincere reply.

Thus the Michael Moore pic. Pure irrelevancy.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:59 PM

Quote:
It was too silly to dignify w/ a sincere reply.

YOU'RE too silly to come up with one!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:00 PM

"Yes, because then the Gov't would be in the business of choosing winners and losers, and that exceeds its proper function."

Not choosing, dolt. They win or lose on their own. Just INVESTING at rock bottom prices. Must be a good thing - doncha' think ? After all, if privatizing Social Security is such a good thing (taking government money and turning it loose on the market) - and you WERE all for it - right ? - why isn't taking govenment money and - turning it loose on the market ALSO a good thing ?

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Sounds like the same thing to me.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Drug soaked hypocritical hate-monger. When he goes to Hell, Satan will have everyone down there ignore him.

The stupid Chrisisall

You talking about this guy?

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:04 PM

Quote:
YOU'RE too silly to come up with one!

Oh, stop, you big flirt!

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:10 PM

This was hysterical

Edited out due to an abundance of discretion ...

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Jeff as in Gannon ...

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You talking about this guy?

No, and funny thing, you don't have to photoshop Rush to make him look stupider than he is.

The laughing Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So...it became the "Imperial Federal Government" since Bush stepped down? Or before that?

About 1794.

I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM

Quote:
Yes, because then the Gov't would be in the business of choosing winners and losers, and that exceeds its proper function.-Rapo

Not choosing, dolt. They win or lose on their own. Just INVESTING at rock bottom prices. Must be a good thing - doncha' think ? After all, if privatizing Social Security is such a good thing (taking government money and turning it loose on the market) - and you WERE all for it - right ? - why isn't taking govenment money and - turning it loose on the market ALSO a good thing ?- Reu

C'mon Rue. Stop it! You're just making too much sense!!!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You talking about this guy?
No, and funny thing, you don't have to photoshop Rush to make him look stupider than he is.

The laughing Chrisisall

You implying Franken was photoshoppped?

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:25 PM

How much you wanna' bet Rap goes away and NEVER addresses any of the questions put to him ?

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Really Rap - if ya' wanna' be Rush's good dog you gotta' just, well, dog down the arguments.

BAD DOG !

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:57 PM

It would be nice if Rapo could hold a cogent conversation....

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:03 PM

Well, how about if I reply and give him a gentle nudge to re-join the discussion ?

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Silence is consent.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:16 PM

Actually, I ran across an interesting bit that made me do a doubletake when I read it cause it seemed almost directed at Rappy personally.

I consider the H-Post naught more than a rag, but this is in the mans own words, and while I find him no less despicable than ever, imma repost it here and let Mister Frank himself refute Rappys usual shit shovelling against him and Dodd.

Original URL - http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20090318/cm_huffpost/176538;_ylt=AvGV
As0s3NHhZLtVE.vdMOX9wxIF

FULL TEXT
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Is There an Antidote to the Republican Amnesia?
Rep. Barney Frank Rep. Barney Frank Wed Mar 18, 6:03 pm ET

Memory eventually fails us all, but apparently the decline strikes one party far more than the other.

In recent weeks, my friends across the aisle have expended a lot of breath proclaiming that the Democrats caused the present financial crisis by failing to pass legislation to regulate financial services companies in the years 1995 through 2006.

There is only small one problem with this story -- throughout this entire period the Republicans were in complete charge of the House and for the most critical years they controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.

In the House of Representatives, the majority party has almost unlimited power over the minority party. The majority party owns the committee chairmanships; it controls what bills come to a vote; and it is under no obligation to consider the ideas of the beleaguered minority. When the Republicans were in the majority they ruled with an iron first; it is no accident that Tom DeLay was known as "The Hammer."

That is why I find it particularly flattering the Republicans now claim that in the years 1995 to 2006 I personally possessed supernatural powers which enabled me to force mighty Republican leaders to do my bidding. Choose your comic book hero -- I was all of them.

I wish I had the power to force the Republican leadership to do my bidding! If I had had that power, I would have used it to block the impeachment of Bill Clinton, to stop the war in Iraq, to prevent large tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, and to stop government intervention into the private life of Terri Schiavo. Yet that power eluded me, and I was unable to stop those things.

According to the Republicans' misty memories of the period before 2007, I allegedly singlehandedly blocked their determined efforts to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and my supposed intransigence literally caused the worldwide financial crisis.

Fortunately, we have tools to aid memory -- pencil and paper, word processing, transcripts, newspapers, and the Congressional record. And as described in the most reputable published sources, in 2005 I in fact worked together with my Republican colleague Michael Oxley, then Chairman of the Financial Services Committee, to write a bill to increase regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We passed the bill out of committee with an overwhelming majority -- every Democrat voted in favor of the legislation. However, on the House floor the Republican leadership added a poison pill amendment, which would have prevented non-profit institutions with religious affiliations from receiving funds. I voted against the legislation in protest, though I continued to work with Mr. Oxley to encourage the Senate to pass a good bill. But these efforts were defeated because President Bush blocked further consideration of the legislation. In the words of Mr. Oxley, no flaming liberal, the Bush administration gave his efforts 'the one-finger salute.'

The Republicans can claim some supposed successes despite my awesome power. In 1999 they passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which overturned a Depression-era law preventing commercial banks from acting like investment banks. In 2000, they passed another bill which loosened regulation of derivative markets. I voted against these bills -- but to no avail.

Under Republican President George W. Bush, many federal agencies turned a blind eye to activities which would later precipitate the g

AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Yes, because then the Gov't would be in the business of choosing winners and losers, and that exceeds its proper function."

Not choosing, dolt. They win or lose on their own. Just INVESTING at rock bottom prices. Must be a good thing - doncha' think ? After all, if privatizing Social Security is such a good thing (taking government money and turning it loose on the market) - and you WERE all for it - right ? - why isn't taking govenment money and - turning it loose on the market ALSO a good thing ?
.

It's not the same thing as privatizing SS money . WHY - you ask ? Because when we spend OUR OWN money, money which we earned, it's not the Government doing the spending. Ah- DOY!

There is no such thing as " government money",precious. Not in the sense thatyou mean. The Government produces nothing. WE earn that money, and the Gov't takes from us , via taxes, fees, levies, fines, etc. You seem to think that Gov't is daddy, and if we're good enough, daddy doles out allowances to good boys and girls who do their chores.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

RUE

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:56 PM

Well then, if there's no such thing as government money, why is it so bad to have our money invested in AIG at rock-bottom prices ? It's just capitalism - right ? Good stuff at any time - right ?

"The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years."

Well, except for the two years after Clinton. And the dip during the middle of those four years. And not counting the soaring government and private debt climbing for the whole time, or low consumer confidence since 2002 ... and also except for Enron and other large failures during the meantime, the ever widening balance of trade gap ...

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Sit !

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:58 PM

I see Crapo has completely ignored the previous post.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I see Crapo has completely ignored the previous post.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Gee, I just got done answering a question which rue said I wouldn't. NOW what the hell are you bitching about ? rue is being ridiculous. There, are you happy?

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:09 AM

Enron had nothing to do w/ W's economic policies. Ron Paul already stated the obvious, a strong economy, low unemployment, high big item orders in industry.... lots of signs of a steady, strong economy.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

KWICKO

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"The alternative is for AIG to cease to exist."

"THAT would have been the capitalist way."

Hey, if capitalism is so good, why SHOULDN'T the government buy out a business in distress at rock-bottom prices ? In your book, is that bad ?

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Silence is consent.

Especially if there's a chance that it can turn around and SELL that business at a profit later on down the road!

Or is it wrong for the government to turn a profit in a "capitalist" economy?

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

RUE

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:22 AM

"Ron Paul already stated the obvious, a strong economy, low unemployment, high big item orders in industry.... lots of signs of a steady, strong economy."

No, actually all he pointed to was how USers THOUGHT it was going great. Though that was a lie, as consumer confidence has been low since 2002.

The other stuff, you're just pulling out of your ... doggy mind.

"The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years."

Well, except for the two years after Clinton. And the dip during the middle of those four years. And not counting the soaring government and private debt climbing for the whole time, or low consumer confidence since 2002 ... and also except for Enron and other large failures during the meantime, the ever widening balance of trade gap ...

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Sit !

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:46 AM

No, Paul was stating the facts, and how EVERYONE thought the economy was going great.

You're just petty and hate giving W any positives for - ANYthing.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

RUE

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:50 AM

"No, Paul was stating the facts, and how EVERYONE thought the economy was going great."

Except for all those consumers, who had no confidence.

"The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years."

Well, except for the two years after Clinton. And the dip during the middle of those four years. And not counting the soaring government and private debt climbing for the whole time, or low consumer confidence since 2002 ... and also except for Enron and other large failures during the meantime, the ever widening balance of trade gap ...

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Sit !

SIGNYM

Friday, March 20, 2009 12:59 AM

Quote:
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years.

All based on debt: Government deficits. Leveraged investments. Private debt. NOW where are we????

I saw it coming. Limbaugh didn't.

BTW- I was wondering when you were going to comment on Frems' post.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, March 20, 2009 1:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Especially if there's a chance that it can turn around and SELL that business at a profit later on down the road!

Or is it wrong for the government to turn a profit in a "capitalist" economy?

And then, of course, the Government will send every citizen their fair share of the profits or perhaps lower taxes, right?

SIGNYM

Friday, March 20, 2009 1:04 AM

Quote:
No, Paul was stating the facts, and how EVERYONE thought the economy was going great.

Oh no!!!!! Not this "everyone" thing again! Is this like the "everyone" who "knew" that Saddam had WMD in 2002???? Heck, man, how many times do you have to fall into the same hole before you get it???

1) I can point to several well-known economists, myself, Rue, and others, who DIDN'T think the economy was on fire. So, not "everyone".

2) Just because some people THINK the economy is on fire (or, more to the point, somebody claims that everyone thinks so) doesn't make it so! Hell, I can think about "purple dragons" and claim that "everyone knows" they exist. Does that make it so???

3) I'll bet libertarians just cringe when you invoke Ron Paul. Me, I don't care: When it comes to economics, Ron Paul is as big an idiot as Rush Limbaugh. It falls into the "billion flies eat sh*t" category. I don't care how many people think the earth is flat, or if someone famous believes in angels, or whether some peeps think the sun shines outta Rush's *ss- because when they're wrong they're wrong. And diving into the middle of a herd of like-minded folks doesn't make them right.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 20, 2009 1:48 AM

Reply to something Barney Frank says on H.P. ? You've GOT to be kidding ! He's a lying sack of go se , among the worst in a den of liars. Why should I waste any of my time responding to his propaganda b.s. ??

No thanks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 20, 2009 1:50 AM

Oh no!!!!! Not this "everyone" thing again! Is this like the "everyone" who "knew" that Saddam had WMD in 2002???? Heck, man, how many times do you have to fall into the same hole before you get it???

"Everyone" -

Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons

KWICKO

Friday, March 20, 2009 2:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reply to something Barney Frank says on H.P. ? You've GOT to be kidding ! He's a lying sack of go se , among the worst in a den of liars. Why should I waste any of my time responding to his propaganda b.s. ??

No thanks.

That's pretty much exactly what I would expect of you.

Of course, my money says that within two weeks, you'll trot out your favorite Barney Frank quote in another thread, and keep trying to pass off that particular sack of crap.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 20, 2009 3:56 AM

I'll quote him all day long to show what a sack of go se he and the Dems are, and how they should be in jail, not writing laws.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, March 20, 2009 8:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

It must really bother you that a true Conservative such as I can see right through your BS. It must hurt you deep inside knowing that I know that you are nothing more than a clown from the 50s shouting "Communism!" at everyone that doesn't agree, or refuse to be kowtowed by your fascist views laughingly disguised as "Rush Conservatism." I'm just curious about something AR. Where you a Special Education Student? Just asking...

I gave you many examples of my Conservatism views, but you have yet to give any examples of your own...No Wait, yes you did. All you've managed to do SO FAR is parrot everything your GOD Rush Limbaugh says, and to me that clown is NO Conservatism. What Rush needs is to be tried and executed. That would be doing this recovering nation a serious favor, but as usual you are too stupid, or too ignorant to see it.

-River

More childish insults, more lies with claims you've offered your conservative views and that you're a 'TRUE' conservative.
Quote:

You wouldn't know a true Conservative if we came up to you and defecated in your face.

I rest my case. You are an idiot.

-River

You won't answer a simple, straight forward question. I find that odd.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

A great man once said, on repeated occasions, Folks, you just can't make this stuff up. I haven't heard from him in a decade, so don't know if he still uses that one.

KWICKO

Friday, March 20, 2009 11:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

FULL TEXT
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Is There an Antidote to the Republican Amnesia?
Rep. Barney Frank Rep. Barney Frank Wed Mar 18, 6:03 pm ET

Memory eventually fails us all, but apparently the decline strikes one party far more than the other.

In recent weeks, my friends across the aisle have expended a lot of breath proclaiming that the Democrats caused the present financial crisis by failing to pass legislation to regulate financial services companies in the years 1995 through 2006.

There is only small one problem with this story -- throughout this entire period the Republicans were in complete charge of the House and for the most critical years they controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.

In the House of Representatives, the majority party has almost unlimited power over the minority party. The majority party owns the committee chairmanships; it controls what bills come to a vote; and it is under no obligation to consider the ideas of the beleaguered minority. When the Republicans were in the majority they ruled with an iron first; it is no accident that Tom DeLay was known as "The Hammer."

That is why I find it particularly flattering the Republicans now claim that in the years 1995 to 2006 I personally possessed supernatural powers which enabled me to force mighty Republican leaders to do my bidding. Choose your comic book hero -- I was all of them.

I wish I had the power to force the Republican leadership to do my bidding! If I had had that power, I would have used it to block the impeachment of Bill Clinton, to stop the war in Iraq, to prevent large tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, and to stop government intervention into the private life of Terri Schiavo. Yet that power eluded me, and I was unable to stop those things.

According to the Republicans' misty memories of the period before 2007, I allegedly singlehandedly blocked their determined efforts to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and my supposed intransigence literally caused the worldwide financial crisis.

Fortunately, we have tools to aid memory -- pencil and paper, word processing, transcripts, newspapers, and the Congressional record. And as described in the most reputable published sources, in 2005 I in fact worked together with my Republican colleague Michael Oxley, then Chairman of the Financial Services Committee, to write a bill to increase regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We passed the bill out of committee with an overwhelming majority -- every Democrat voted in favor of the legislation. However, on the House floor the Republican leadership added a poison pill amendment, which would have prevented non-profit institutions with religious affiliations from receiving funds. I voted against the legislation in protest, though I continued to work with Mr. Oxley to encourage the Senate to pass a good bill. But these efforts were defeated because President Bush blocked further consideration of the legislation. In the words of Mr. Oxley, no flaming liberal, the Bush administration gave his efforts 'the one-finger salute.'

The Republicans can claim some supposed successes despite my awesome power. In 1999 they passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which overturned a Depression-era law preventing commercial banks from acting like investment banks. In 2000, they passed another bill which loosened regulation of derivative markets. I voted against these bills -- but to no avail.

Under Republican President George W. Bush, many federal agencies turned a blind eye to activities which would later precipitate the global financial meltdown. The Securities and Exchange Commission decided to allow the nation's largest financial institutions to "self-regulate;" the Federal Reserve under Alan Greenspan declined to use its power to regulate subprime mortgages; the Comptroller of the Currency decided to preempt state consumer laws on subprime mortgages.

Meanwhile, President Bush himself demanded that Fannie and Freddie increase the percentage of subprime loans the

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CHRISISALL

Friday, March 20, 2009 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

"Everyone" -

How many more times must I smack y'all in the face with reality before it sinks in??

Golly AU, that sho 'nuff was EVERYONE all right. 'Cept me, Signy, and a few million others.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, March 20, 2009 6:06 PM

"They say that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But the collective amnesia of the Republican Party will not only hurt its members -- it threatens to hurt all of us. Is there a cure for amnesia? We can only hope."

Sadly, the cure for the amnesia is to just keep on invalidating the lies every single time they get trotted out.

Yeah, it's a nasty job, but it has to be done. Otherwise the stuff gets repeated, echoed in MSM, re-quoted by the right-wingnuts from MSM and by MSM from the right-wingnuts ... ad infinitum without a countervailing message until it passes into common acceptance. Not based on facts mind you, but based on the passing notion that there must be something to it or you wouldn't hear so much of the same stuff about it.

The sad part is, it is so much easier to spew made-up stuff than it is to discredit it. It's a lot of work to keep on responding.

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Silence is consent.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 20, 2009 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Not based on facts mind you, but based on the passing notion that there must be something to it or you wouldn't hear so much about it.

Sort of like religion?

The evil Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, March 20, 2009 6:12 PM

If that makes you evil - well then I am evil too !

Thank Mithra !

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Silence is consent.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 20, 2009 6:15 PM

I do not fear God!

I fear microscopic pathogens & American Idol.

The laughing Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Friday, March 20, 2009 6:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Golly AU, that sho 'nuff was EVERYONE all right. 'Cept me, Signy, and a few million others.

He posted quotes from ~17 people (hard to tell, he put some down twice, now I'm not saying he did it to make it look like there were more people there than there were, ok I am saying that) but last I looked, there's more than 17 people in the world. Of course Rap can't count much higher than that without getting his sockpuppets to take their shoes and socks off too.

I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?

SIGNYM

Friday, March 20, 2009 6:47 PM

Quote:
How many more times must I smack y'all in the face with reality before it sinks in??

Hmmm... let's see... counting the fact that some of the names are repeated MANY times, and scrapping statements before 2000 (before UNMOVIC started re-inspecting Iraq... cause some people dropped off the bandwagon during that time) "everybody" (according to rapo) is

... uh

... nine people.

NINE!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rapo, I dont' care if you quote the Pope! Even HE doesn't speak for everybody, not even all Catholics!

ETA: I think this is where miscommunication comes in. Rapo, being an authoritarian, thinks that if he quotes Democratic authority figures, Democrats and liberals will line themselves up (just like he does). As far as he's concerned it IS "everybody"... because only authorities' opinions count! (Everybody else is a nobody.)

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 20, 2009 7:15 PM

Meanwhile... Rapo has bailed from this thread.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

STORYMARK

Friday, March 20, 2009 7:28 PM

Shocker!

Will he repost the same BS in a new thread, send in the sock puppet, or both?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CITIZEN

Friday, March 20, 2009 7:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Shocker!

Will he repost the same BS in a new thread, send in the sock puppet, or both?

Both. I'm going to go with both.

I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?

RUE

Friday, March 20, 2009 8:00 PM

OOOooooohhh - is this a bet ? I'll put my money on both.

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Friday, March 20, 2009 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Not based on facts mind you, but based on the passing notion that there must be something to it or you wouldn't hear so much about it.

Sort of like religion?

The evil Chrisisall

Or sort of like "We do not negotiate with terrorists."

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

KWICKO

Friday, March 20, 2009 8:33 PM

Quote:

Will he repost the same BS in a new thread, send in the sock puppet, or both?

Yes. The correct answer is "yes".

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, March 20, 2009 9:29 PM

Did not realize there was a set time to respond to someone's post. Seriously, I've seen some Posters bump a thread expecting a response little more than an hour after posting themselves. The real world sometimes prevents us from constantly checking back with this site, Dong ma?

CITIZEN

Friday, March 20, 2009 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Seriously, I've seen some Posters bump a thread expecting a response little more than an hour after posting themselves.

You mean like you did in a few previous threads?

I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?

STORYMARK

Friday, March 20, 2009 10:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Did not realize there was a set time to respond to someone's post. Seriously, I've seen some Posters bump a thread expecting a response little more than an hour after posting themselves. The real world sometimes prevents us from constantly checking back with this site, Dong ma?

You know quite well this isn't about timing, but about behavior patters. We all know Rappy SOP.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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