Why not now fight for a animated firefly show?
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Well, after reading the entire thread(Jeez, it was long) I have to say that I agree. If it was done right, an animated series would not only be good, but, at this point, it may be our only chance at getting something more of FF...
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Well, after reading the entire thread(Jeez, it was long) I have to say that I agree. If it was done right, an animated series would not only be good, but, at this point, it may be our only chance at getting something more of FF...
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Originally posted by Ads:
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While I'd love to see a Firefly animated show, I doubt the market is really there for it.
The market isn't ther for it 'yet'. Thats why we are here.
But "we" are not really a big enough market, or this would have happened long ago.
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On the surface I see your point but there are so many differences between Firefly and Buffy animation and the circumstances surrounding them that it is not very accurate to compare them. You guys have touched on it but I don't really consider it worth debating. If anyone disagrees I will though. I just don't have much time right now.
I agree, there are differences. Chiefly amongst them: Buffy was very popular with a wide audience and got a huge ammount of media attention, Firefly alas, was not. Buffy was, and still is, a property much more likely to survive a transition to another medium.
Sure, a group of dedicated fans, within the industry, could get something moving - maybe. That does not mean that it'd actually be successfull. If every single Browncoat watched - it probably wouldn't be enough to actually be a success. We need people outside our niche to bring that. And as this thread alone has shown, not even every Browncoat would watch an animated version, just like not every one reads the comics.
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Correct we are a niche. Just becuase a fan is not interested in animation though does that mean that they never will be? Does it mean that it isn't possible to grow a niche? Does that mean the tastes a niche has arn't good? We are all a niche as long as we all don't like reality tv and crap shows like the hills. Just because there hasn't been any significant interest in western animated drama does that mean that there never will be? I doubt it. What if Firefly was the first show to change that? Just because something is an uphill battle does that mean that it isn't worth fighting for or that it isn't achievable? Whats your definition of a large audience anyway?
Of course it doesn't mean that those with niche tastes have poor taste - I never said anything like that. What it does mean, however, is that we're a small group, and thus far less likely to form a profitable audience.
It's all dandy to say "maybe" Firefly would be the first animated show to click in that way, but it's just wishfull thinking - nothing factual to base it on. The fact is, if anyone were going to try to launch an animated series based on a TV show, they'd do something with a greater chance at a broad appeal - which Firefly/Serenity has failed at - twice. I love it, but I won't deny the reality.
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Thats a fan perspective also.
It's a fan perspective to say a company's only going to want to invest millions of dollars into something the think a large group of people might watch. M'kay.....
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Also, a story is never really finished. There is always something more you can add. As far as a live action show go's, Buffy's story deffinatly finished.
Yes, but as I've already pointed out, more than once - the Buffy animation project was something they tried while Buffy was still going - thus it WASN'T DONE YET.
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As far as I can see we as browncoats have two options. One is defeatist and one is optimistic.
You're missing the third - the pragmatic approach - the one where we seek way of continuing the story, which actually have a chance for success.
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You're missing the third - the pragmatic approach - the one where we seek way of continuing the story, which actually have a chance for success.
Out of curiosity, what way would you see best for continuing the story?
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Sure, a group of dedicated fans, within the industry, could get something moving - maybe. That does not mean that it'd actually be successfull. If every single Browncoat watched - it probably wouldn't be enough to actually be a success. We need people outside our niche to bring that. And as this thread alone has shown, not even every Browncoat would watch an animated version, just like not every one reads the comics.
What's your point? If the animation studios agree then they won't pursue the project. Is there are reason we should try to make that decision for them?
It's just my assumption, but I'm thinking the fanbase to make an animated show successful is far far less than a live action show. The budget for Firefly was quite large for a TV show if I recall correctly. I can't imagine animation would be anywhere near that cost. Plus the live action show needed network television sized success. An animated show would likely be on cable where they are happy with much smaller viewership.
I'm happy to let an animation studio know I'd watch the show and then leave the decision up to them. I think that's a better option than convincing ourselves it won't happen so we shouldn't even try.
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I checked out that guys "professional" quality animation... not impressed. Not even remotely. It just doesn't fit FF/S.
I'll also point out that his offer, "I'll get my company to do animation mock ups of each of the characters" would be a violation of copyright/IP law. He should expect to get his ass sued the moment Fox and/or Universal finds out about it. And his comment, "I am confident we could see the show by Fall 2010." is delusional. Or has he gotten both Universal and Fox to sign off on the project? I think not.
Seriously, Fox and Universal can't agree on how to work something that is guaranteed to have a revenue stream like the killed FF/S MMO...
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Originally posted by Zeek:
The budget for Firefly was quite large for a TV show if I recall correctly.
As I recall, it was a couple million per ep. That wasn't much back then, and it isn't much now. At least for shows that require CG. The real issue is that /scripted/ shows are *far* more expensive then "reality shows." This cost thing is just a pathetic excuse from Fox to kill a show that they didn't like from the get go.
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I can't imagine animation would be anywhere near that cost. Plus the live action show needed network television sized success. An animated show would likely be on cable where they are happy with much smaller viewership.
If you're talking about a specialised channel such as the outdoor network, then you're right. But, in general, you're wrong. Counter example, BSG.
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I'm happy to let an animation studio know I'd watch the show and then leave the decision up to them. I think that's a better option than convincing ourselves it won't happen so we shouldn't even try.
You're 1/2 right. You're right that letting studios know that you're interested in a product is a good idea. But, you're wrong about the convincing part. We don't need convincing that it won't happen. It won't. There are legal issues among other things that are reasons why it won't happen.
Why must this community continue to pursue pipe dreams instead of projects that actually have a chance at success? Oh, wait. Those projects require actual work instead of just sending an email stating that they want something. God forbid that people would actually do something.
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And what DO you suggest?
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
And what DO you suggest?
I'm honestly starting to wonder just how many times I (and others) have to say it before people will actually listen. But, my last paragraph kind of said it all:
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Why must this community continue to pursue pipe dreams instead of projects that actually have a chance at success? Oh, wait. Those projects require actual work instead of just sending an email stating that they want something. God forbid that people would actually do something.
So, to be explicitly clear:
Do NOT depend on the studios. There are legal issues up the **** that lead to the killing of the MMO and will kill any other projects.
DO make your own stuff. I outlined (again) some stuff here: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=20&t=34491#684412
Some other thoughts:
- Pool the resources. Our community might look active to some, but it really *really* isn't. There are *far* more people leaving than coming in. Everyone splitting off and doing there own thing will just create a bunch of failed projects instead of a few with a good chance of success.
- Think small. Don't do these grand projects that will take vast amounts of time and resources to complete. Pick something that a couple people could do in a couple months if they worked hard on it. It doesn't matter if that turns into working on and off over a year or more. The point is to do something that doesn't require massive amounts of time and energy to complete. This significantly increases the projects chance of success.
- Do something that doesn't require support from the community. I know first hand just how little support projects get (not to mention seen it in *many* other projects as well). It's a YAY in the beginning, then after a few days to a few weeks, nothing; all those promises of help evaporate.
- If a project has stalled, restart it. Starting new projects that re-create what has already been done makes the community look bad through numerous dead projects. So, make sure to do a thorough search before starting anything.
- (Re)start projects that produce something for the community. Sending letters/emails/etc or starting online polls/etc does nothing. Fan fic and fan art are a couple ideas. Games, whether they are board, card, or computer, are some more.
My above linked post links to a couple projects that have actually done something.
All that said, any project stands the chance of getting shut down. That is just the reality of using IP that one doesn't own or have license to use. Little fan projects are typically tolerated. But, large projects can catch the lawyers attention and projects where money exchanges hands (regardless of profit) will get killed as soon as the powers that be find it.
In essence, when thinking of a project, one should consider (not a complete list):
- How many people do I need to have work on this to complete it?
- How long will it take to complete?
- Is there a need for special skills on the project?
- Does it require funds that I/we don't have?
- Has someone else done/started it before?
- Does it produce something for the community to enjoy?
- Will it complete with a product already in existence, or with something that will or is likely to exist in the future?
As for me, I have a couple projects rattling around my brain that satisfy most or all of the above. But, I learned long ago not to say anything until I'm relatively certain things will work out. So, I continue my fiddling in secrecy.
As for you, if you're asking me for new project ideas, or known dead projects that could use a boost, I can't help aside from the links I've already given in that other post. Find others or create them yourself. Same goes for everyone else.
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