Why not now fight for a animated firefly show?

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FIDDLER

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:25 AM

@ADS

That's really great! I'm behind it 100%.

I wonder why Joss doesn't coordinate graphic novels and paperback novels like Star wars and Star Trek do. Their publishing activities are worth a few hundred million, and helped the material reach a niche audience that is a large geek (no offense) sympathetic group but isn't necessarily up on tv and movies. These people then peer and spread at the very least out of curiosity for the other media. We do a lot to keep this franchise alive but it seems to me that there is a lot that Joss et al can do to keep it a going concern and squeeze revenue out of in order to fund other projects. Expand this core of rabid fans and lay the groundwork for the 'verse at least if not the crew of serenity.

"Am I talking to Miranda now?"

ADS

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:16 AM

You make great points Fiddler and you should deffinatly come onto Facbook if you can to join the fight there also. I thought I would add one more point to your posts here too.

Maybe they will make it and it rules but they still shit can it after half a season again anyway and we just add a new generation of fanatical Firefly fans to the ranks who are just as united as we are.

*Fingers crossed that it doesn't happen that way. I dont think I could go through that much pain a second time around.*

ADS

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:45 PM

I think you are also right and it is also worth discussing alternative 'verse stories in any type of format.

For an animated episodes I would really like to see Firefly continue just because it is a realistic option to making sure crew and their stories get told because there is still SO much more life in it.

If an animated show took of however we could also one day see a spinoff ala Angel(even a live action one). I loved Buffy and I loved Angel so it stands to reason that if Firefly had a sister show I would love them both too. Man you are going to give me wet dreams now Fiddler making me think about two shows as good as Firefly on tv at the same time.

More graphic novels or even real novels done well and made cannon about alternative aspects or characters of the 'verse would be awsome as well and if we can get the fan base even bigger I cant see why it wouldnt happen. Star wars has plenty of novels.

There is still so much you can do with the 'verse it could go on for ever. Especially if we can keep significantly growing the fanbase.

Imagine this Firefly spin off.

Jayne one day gets his own ship, his own crew and his own show.

LOL Maybe its not the best idea but at the same time........... maybe its the best idea ever

STORYMARK

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:57 PM

While I'd love to see a Firefly animated show, I doubt the market is really there for it. Animation aimed at adults is still a niche within a niche, and to be made in a way that we'd like, it would probably be too expensive.

Besides, if Joss couldn't get a Buffy cartoon running at the height of it's popularity, the odds of a Firefly one getting a shot are slim to none.

Oh, and the X-Men animated series was pretty cool, saturday-morning based or not (though I did get a prime-time run for a while, paired with Batman:TAS).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:04 PM

Whoa so you actually have an animation studio interested in this project? You might want to start a new thread with a more catchy title. I was just bored and thought I'd check in on this discussion. I didn't for a second think things were progressing this quickly. I doubt enough people are reading this.

I'm sure if this got spread around the different Firefly communities we could get enough people. Heck if we could get something on digg I bet all the closet Firefly fans, who don't constantly skim Firefly message boards, would show their support.

FIDDLER

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:15 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
While I'd love to see a Firefly animated show, I doubt the market is really there for it. Animation aimed at adults is still a niche within a niche,

Aren't we a Niche. We are a large enough population to make it wildly profitable, and there is an untapped subset that would be acquired. After all we've done, believe it or not, firefly is still not very well known. We grow daily.

The time wasn't right for Buffy, probably never will be. Buffy told the fullness of its story for the most part. There isn't this sense of not getting a chance, a very tiny minority were behind it, and there really wasn't much left to say in it.

There are many indie and even major groups that would be willing if it was really wanted, and the only major snafus are contractual issues between Fox, Universal, and Whedon.

anyway, these are just ideas to try and keep it alive.

"Am I talking to Miranda now?"

STORYMARK

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
While I'd love to see a Firefly animated show, I doubt the market is really there for it. Animation aimed at adults is still a niche within a niche,

Aren't we a Niche. We are a large enough population to make it wildly profitable, and there is an untapped subset that would be acquired. After all we've done, believe it or not, firefly is still not very well known. We grow daily.

Yes, we are a niche. And just this thread shows that there are some browncoats who are not interested in animation. And given that there really has never been any western animated drama that appealed to a large adult audience, it'd be facing a big uphill climb from the start.

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The time wasn't right for Buffy, probably never will be. Buffy told the fullness of its story for the most part. There isn't this sense of not getting a chance, a very tiny minority were behind it, and there really wasn't much left to say in it.

That's a fan perspective. The people who'd have to put up the money for this won't care if the story's finished, of if it had a chance. And the Buffy cartooon they tried at the height of the shows popularity, before the story had finished, so I don't really see how your point applies.

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There are many indie and even major groups that would be willing if it was really wanted,

That sounds more like wishfull thinking, than anything factual. There have been many properties more successful than Firefly that have tried to continue in animated form, and almost all of them have fallen by the wayside.

It's a nice thought. But the many practicalities involved, far beyond just the rights, weigh heavily against it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FIDDLER

Friday, March 6, 2009 11:28 PM

touche

"Am I talking to Miranda now?"

ADS

Saturday, March 7, 2009 6:51 PM

@ Storymark

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While I'd love to see a Firefly animated show, I doubt the market is really there for it.

The market isn't ther for it 'yet'. Thats why we are here.

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Besides, if Joss couldn't get a Buffy cartoon running at the height of it's popularity, the odds of a Firefly one getting a shot are slim to none.

On the surface I see your point but there are so many differences between Firefly and Buffy animation and the circumstances surrounding them that it is not very accurate to compare them. You guys have touched on it but I don't really consider it worth debating. If anyone disagrees I will though. I just don't have much time right now.

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Yes, we are a niche. And just this thread shows that there are some browncoats who are not interested in animation. And given that there really has never been any western animated drama that appealed to a large adult audience, it'd be facing a big uphill climb from the start.

Correct we are a niche. Just becuase a fan is not interested in animation though does that mean that they never will be? Does it mean that it isn't possible to grow a niche? Does that mean the tastes a niche has arn't good? We are all a niche as long as we all don't like reality tv and crap shows like the hills. Just because there hasn't been any significant interest in western animated drama does that mean that there never will be? I doubt it. What if Firefly was the first show to change that? Just because something is an uphill battle does that mean that it isn't worth fighting for or that it isn't achievable? Whats your definition of a large audience anyway?

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That's a fan perspective. The people who'd have to put up the money for this won't care if the story's finished, of if it had a chance. And the Buffy cartooon they tried at the height of the shows popularity, before the story had finished, so I don't really see how your point applies.

Thats a fan perspective also. I know people with a profesional perspective that would disagree with you. I agree that they wont ONLY care about if the story is finished and that they will also consider profits. Thats only natural for a company. But what I would also add and this has already been adressed in this thread is that there isn't much point making a show for fans if they are not going to adress what the fans want. The only reason we are getting serious consideration for animation is because they recognise that there are fans who wish firefly's story had of finished and that the show had of had a chance to succeed. The whole point of this is to generate enough fans so they will make this how we want and give it 'another' chance to succeed.

Also, a story is never really finished. There is always something more you can add. As far as a live action show go's, Buffy's story deffinatly finished.

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That sounds more like wishfull thinking, than anything factual. There have been many properties more successful than Firefly that have tried to continue in animated form, and almost all of them have fallen by the wayside.

Wishful thinking is exactly why we are here and you have already said that 'almost' all of them have failed. When it comes to me and I can imagine allot of other Firefily fans 'almost' is enough. Not to mention the 'fact' thet GB's company is very real and that his industry knowledge has clearly identified how many fans we need on board to make this happen. The number he has given could be considered a niche.

As far as I can see we as browncoats have two options. One is defeatist and one is optimistic.

1) Accept that we will never get to see more Firefly ever again and also accept that all the potential the story and the characters had will never be fulfilled.

OR

2) Identify the most viable way for this awsome show to continue and then unconditionally believe in and also support it because we love the show so much.

@ ZEEK

Good idea mate and thanks for the input. This has all deffinatly progressed very fast since this thread was started so

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:52 PM

I'm going to try to remember to add your group thingiemabob on facebook. A.) I'll probably forget cause I most likely won't have time tonight B.) I'm a facebook noob and probably won't figure it out.

Still I'll do my best.

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