Why not now fight for a animated firefly show?

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RIVER6213

Monday, March 2, 2009 4:24 PM

I find the comic books rather unappealing.

-River

SCHISM

Monday, March 2, 2009 5:04 PM

I agree with River.

I was a bit let down by the comics.

I used to be a huge comics geek in the early to mid 90's (Batman and X-Men), but I sell my former self out by saying that the FF/Serenity comics are not good mediums.

The comic is a very visual medium. FF is a very visual show, but the visuals are only secondary to good writing and great characters. I found those two traits lacking in the comics. Moreso in 'Those Left Behind', but also in 'Better Days'.

If they focused on less dynamic art and more story-oriented dialogue, I'd be happy.

I mean, did you see that image where the Shepherd suddenly grew 12 inch pythons and slugged the captain? Yeah, in the show, in a slightly more realistic 'environment', that would not have been so.......dynamic.

This does not make me anti-FF/Serenity comics.
I would just like to see that storyteller's approach. Ever read the Watchmen, or 'V for Vendetta'? Yeah, the artwork kinda sucks (moreso in V), and it doesn't employ anything more than the repetitive succession of small rectagular comic frames, but by god they are some good stories.

Ultimately, if anything, I'd like to see official cannonized novels, perhaps with a few artist's renderings of key scenes thrown in.

BYTEMITE

Monday, March 2, 2009 5:07 PM

Hmm. I liked them. Had the same kind of bantering humour that the series had and Better Days at least presented a new adventure with at least a decent premise. (It was very interesting to see the plans the crew made for their individual shares of the money. Those Left Behind, admittedly, was intended to just be backstory and filler space)

There are some character development plots that made me a little wary, but I have faith enough that later arcs will resolve them in a way that will remove the uneasiness.

It could be that a drowning person will grasp at any lifeline tossed to them, but there were honestly parts of the comics I enjoyed, so I don't think that's what my reaction was.

So that's my logic. If I can like the comic books, I would probably like a cartoon with the same tone and feel.

The look would have to be different, of course, because you don't often render cartoons to look straight out of a comic book. Though, in the comic books sometimes the characters were drawn with only a passing resemblance to the actors (especially in Those Left Behind, I feel like the artist got a better handle on what they look like in Better Days), so that may not be a bad thing.

SCHISM

Monday, March 2, 2009 11:21 PM

I really did love the story of 'Better Days', don't get me wrong.
It would have been great to see it as an actual episode.

I still stand by my point, however.
There's a certain something that the series had that can't be brought back in comic form, or animated form.

Personally I'd rather lose something than see it done badly.

Besides, with novelizations you can get a level of character insight that you can't in comics, or even a tv show.

I am no big fan of that Steven Brurst novel "My Own Freedom" (or whatever it was called). It felt contrived, and his writing style was rather childish. HOWEVER there are two parts of it that I really did appreciate - insights into River's way of thinking, as well as Wash's own take on his piloting abilities. I really enjoyed those brief moments.

TUJIAOZUO

Monday, March 2, 2009 11:23 PM

The comics are sort of a hit or miss in terms of being an example on how Firefly would translate well into a different medium. For starters, I'm not a huge fan of Those Left Behind. It's sort of like the people who worked on it really had to find their footing in translating Firefly into comic form. And while Better Days was a definite improvement and I loved a lot of things about it, certain parts are lacking. Particularly in the rendering of the BDHs, but then again I'm just not to entirely fond of the artist's style.

I think a better example of how a mature, whitty, high caliber animated show or movie would do the franchise justice would be to check out the Wonder Woman DVD that comes out tomorrow. I've pimped it a few times on this site but it's worthy of the praise. I was able to see the west coast premiere at Wondercon this last weekend and I (and a few hundred other people) was blown away at how great was. It's a pg-13 animated movie, and while some of the origins story was re-imagined and it's a broad audience it's not dumbed down or kiddified by any means. The animation is streamlined and the designs are simplified, but it's powerful work. Plus, you hear Nathan as Steve Trevor so you can get a feel for some BDH voice acting.

And there are people who don't care for comics books, or animation and just want to see the cast again on TV. Which trust me, if there was any indication the show could be resurrected just like that, this thread wouldn't be here because we'd all be celebrating, crossing our fingers, praying to the dear fluffy lord about it. We're just here to throw around ideas, concepts and opinions because it has the potential to be a viable medium. Animation has come a long way from steam boat willy, and adult geared animation is becoming widely embraced (i do believe both Fox and ABC have new animated shows on their lineups). I'm all for an animated show as long as it's properly handled (leaning more towards 2-d, but that's just me) and it has Joss' blessing as well as the gang on board.

Your Indian Pirate Lord,
Ash

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 12:04 AM

You know, since you bring up character insight...

An aspect of other comic books that I haven't seen in the Serenity comics is the yellow rectangular internal monologue box. You know, that helps with the scene transitions, or depicts the characters thoughts in a more narrative manner than the usual thought bubble?

I'm thinking with A Shepherd's Tale, being that it's probably going to be from Book's POV mostly, we might actually get some of that. Which would be nice, it's true.

Comic books and books in general can do that, where a tv show/ cartoon couldn't.

But, of course, if we liked Firefly the TV series, we weren't missing the narrative/internal monologue that much. And I think it's not that a tvshow (animated or not) can't represent what characters are thinking, they just have to do things more visually. Remember that walk River takes through Serenity and we take through her head in Objects in Space? That was very fine cinematography. And that could be done in cartoons and in comic books... If we got artists and writers who could visuallize something like that. :)

ANONYMOUS1

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:18 AM

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Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
I think a better example of how a mature, whitty, high caliber animated show or movie would do the franchise justice would be to check out the Wonder Woman DVD that comes out tomorrow. I've pimped it a few times on this site but it's worthy of the praise. I was able to see the west coast premiere at Wondercon this last weekend and I (and a few hundred other people) was blown away at how great was. It's a pg-13 animated movie, and while some of the origins story was re-imagined and it's a broad audience it's not dumbed down or kiddified by any means. The animation is streamlined and the designs are simplified, but it's powerful work. Plus, you hear Nathan as Steve Trevor so you can get a feel for some BDH voice acting.

I'll be picking this up tomorrow.

Nathan Fillion - Col. Steve Trevor (voice)

http://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Woman-Two-Disc-Special-Digital/dp/B001LK8
SQ6/

http://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Woman-2009-Keri-Russell/dp/B001LK8SKW/

ANONYMOUS1

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:21 AM

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or Dark Horse Comics for Dr. Horrible, Serenity and Buffy and IDW for Angel.

Joss has already talked about doing things through subscription/donation/budgeting based on pre-sales. Propose to Joss to animate what is already written with the real actors and build from there.

Read Joss's interviews. Joss is planning/working on something. Whatever that is can be supplemented with animation.

Get in the door before Joss has someone shop for companies. Keep in mind, Joss has very high standards and also wants as much control of his babies as he can have. He had total control over Dr. Horrible. I think he liked that alot. Nothing quite like working for yourself.

ADS

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:06 AM

Anonymous1,

The whole professional behind the scenes side of things isn't really my area. I am just doing my bit for us fans and hoping that we all get behind this so someone will consider giving us what we want. Whatever they have to do to make it a reality.

GB is very professional and also knows what he is talking about though so if you come onto facebook he might be the one to pose those sort of questions too. I dont think it really matters though. With heaps of fan support GB is likely just one of the companies that will be considered to make the show for us.

He is likely just showing interest early because he is also a fan and wants there to be more firefly episodes as much as we do. A good quality to have in a person making new Firefly episodes if you ask me. His industry expierience and knowledge is evident and he is basically just giving us all a guidline as to what is required of us to make this show a reality.

GB's latest post on facebook.

"If we can get 50,000 dedicated Firefly animation fans together by this summer, I am confident we could see the show by Fall 2010. If we can't hit those kind of numbers, then the "live action or nothing" crowd wins."

There are over 120,000 fans on the main Firefly facebook fan page and thats not even all of the Firefly fans on facebook. Not to mention that the true number of Firefly fans in the world is much greater still. Watching Mal tackle the Blue Sun Corp or laughing my ass off at Jayne again is so close I can almost taste it.

It is good that we can all come here and discuss this but now that this idea actually has a clear target and is being presented to us as a very realistic option to getting more Firefly episodes I am compelled to try a couple more ways to try and get my feelings across.

One is to ask you to forget everything you know or are worried about and think back. Think back to the first time you heard the hero of canton song and saw Wash's reaction to it. Can you honestly tell me any show since has made you laugh as hard as that. I would give anything to expierience entertainment like that again.

Or think about how much potential the story had and how interested you where back then to watch it unfold. The Blue sun and its mysteries. The alliance and the possibility of Mal and the crew having a part in taking them down. The hands of blue guys and watching Mal take them on. The new 'verse characters that would have been introduced and who would no doubt have been as interesting as all the other chartacters. The romance that probably would have developed between Mal and Inara and the complications that would have followed. The relationship between Simon and Kaylee and the funny complications that would have followed that also. All of this and so much more can and WILL be done in an animated show if we all get behind it.

Another way to express how I feel is this,

*Gets on his knees*

Please my fellow Browncoats I am begging you to give Firefly animation a chance and get behind it 100%. We all just want to see more quality episodes of Firefly and that dream is a very possible reality. I know that if we all get behind it they will make it well. We won't let them make it unless Joss is on board and Joss won't let it be crapola. We all know thats not his style.

Sorry, I just want to see more quality Firefly episodes so badly that my dignity is the least of the things I would give up if it helps this come to be.

ANONYMOUS1

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 3:23 AM

Ads,

When I was picking up Wonder Woman, I noticed a Watchman DVD...which I thought was odd cause the movie is in theaters this weekend. So it was a DVD of the Watchman graphic novel in motion comic. So that is another type of animation that is being done. Somewhere between comic book and animated I guess.

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