Media Malpractice and the death of journalism. Sarah Palin
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UPDATED: Monday, March 2, 2009 07:34
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http://www.howobamagotelected.com/
Finally we get a documentary about the blind Obama worship, and the shunned Palin.
Well deserved, but just a little too late.
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The media did the unthinkable - when they interviewed Palin - something to which she agreed - they asked her questions ! What an outrage.
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Originally posted by rue:
The media did the unthinkable - when they interviewed Palin - something to which she agreed - they asked her questions ! What an outrage.
Naw, the worst part was that they showed her answers.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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But Rue, it was the "gotcha media" with their loaded questions like "What newspapers or magazines do you read?" and "What's the Bush Doctrine?"
Seems to me if you're dedicated to upholding the Bush Doctrine, you'd have at least some idea of what the hell it was, other than "his world view".
She was shown to be an idiot. Nothing she's done or said since has dissuaded me of that opinion.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But Rue, it was the "gotcha media" with their loaded questions like "What newspapers or magazines do you read?" and "What's the Bush Doctrine?"
Seems to me if you're dedicated to upholding the Bush Doctrine, you'd have at least some idea of what the hell it was, other than "his world view".
She was shown to be an idiot. Nothing she's done or said since has dissuaded me of that opinion.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Can't stop the signal.
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Very true, probably doesn't go far enough, but this is what the media has been, it's nothing new. They were split on Bush because though the popular left hated him, the socialist higher ups of the media liked him, and in fact, threw him over the top in the 2000 primary, on a three way split, created by Forbes, who was working for the Bush camp at the time, running and basically copying mccains platform. The media hates McCain and Palin, and sure, worships Obama. This is because the media likes lapdogs, but it doesn't like pitbulls.
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Originally posted by rue:
The media did the unthinkable - when they interviewed Palin - something to which she agreed - they asked her questions ! What an outrage.
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Originally posted by rue:
The media did the unthinkable - when they interviewed Palin - something to which she agreed - they asked her questions ! What an outrage.
Naw, the worst part was that they showed her answers.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
Palin hesitated on which newspapers she reads in an interview to Couric. And for that one simple hesitation on her part, she was labeled an idiot by the media(especially Newsweek). So yeah, I guess that's fair.
If Obama hesitated on a question, you think the media would have let him live it down? You decide.
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I'm glad you posted this, as I saw this man the other night on cable. As a traditional conservative Republican I want to let my thoughts out on Sarah Palin :
1) I loved her speech at the Convention
2) I thought to myself, now here's a woman of accomplishment who is also Conservative, I was elated
3) One of the highlights of her speech was a section where she said (I paraphrase)"And for you media pundits and DC newspapers I have a message for you - I don't care what you say or think. I'm running to represent the people."
4) So I thought, wow!, at last, someone, a woman, on my side to take on the liberal media.
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That was it.....after that it was all downhill for her in my opinion. How could she dare to challenge the media, and NOT be prepared to deal with the media? How utterly stupid was that? Did she think they were just going to lay down for her? Did she exist in a frikkin' bubble up there in Alaska? Did she not know that the interviews she went on were going to be hostile and potentially difficult? Did she think Katie Couric was going to ask her what her favorite recipes were for fudge brownies or something? Her complete befuddlement about how things work in Washington politics was hard to swallow. Now...was it her fault or McCain's? I'm not a Governor or an ex PTA President, but by God I can tell you what magazines and newspapers I read! By God, I know that the media slants to the Left, and I'd be a bit wary of meeting with them without some brushing up. Whoever brushed her up ought never to work in politics again. Driving the Left nuts over her values, and perhaps motivating some Republicans to vote etc wasn't going to be good enough this time. Ultimately she kept endlessly repeating the same crap from her original speech, and then when that morphed in the Obama-terrorist connection stuff I knew it was over big time. I hate McCain for what he put her though, the stupid fuck himself smiled on the View while all the gals gave him the middle finger, what a clueless tool. So Sarah, stay in Alaska. You will never make it on the national scene, and that's quite an accomplishment considering all the idiot females in Washington.
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Word was that McCain's people tried to prep Palin and she told them to take a hike.
"Did she think Katie Couric was going to ask her what her favorite recipes were for fudge brownies or something?" Maybe. She didn't seem to think she had to show some kind of national CV to be VP.
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Did she exist in a frikkin' bubble up there in Alaska? Did she not know that the interviews she went on were going to be hostile and potentially difficult? Did she think Katie Couric was going to ask her what her favorite recipes were for fudge brownies or something? Her complete befuddlement about how things work in Washington politics was hard to swallow.
Genuine, honest people. We don't need any of those running this country. Heaven forbid.
Befuddled by the way of big politics is acceptable. It also showed she was 100% removed from the slick asshole machine that is big politics. Where lies and spins on the truth are commonplace.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Palin hesitated on which newspapers she reads in an interview to Couric. And for that one simple hesitation on her part, she was labeled an idiot by the media(especially Newsweek). So yeah, I guess that's fair.
I've seen that interview. She didn't so much hesitate, as look like a rabbit caught in headlights after a lie. I remember her saying something like "which ones? All of them", then went on too talk about how Alaska has all the newspapers anywhere else has, and that she has a variety of sources. She just can't name any of them. Yeah, if you can't manage to answer a question like "what newspapers do you read" you're an idiot. I mean even if the answer is "none" that doesn't make you an idiot. But not even being able to answer the question? Come on.
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If Obama hesitated on a question, you think the media would have let hi live it down? You decide.
I can't say, I can't remember him having a problem answering a simple question like that. Palin did though. From what I see of the US media this "Liberal conspiracy" is a myth. If anything it's the other way, hell you've got one of the most biased right wing propaganda organs in the western world calling itself fair and balanced.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Mike,
Let's say today, I nominate you to be secretary to the UN. Your job is to discuss the intricacies of south east asian economic interrelations, which suddenly I've decided is the pressing topic. Now I'm going to give you one hour to prepare yourself, physically, you don't get to google the the topic, and then you go in for a ten hour interview. The interview is conducted by Rush Limbaugh, who will then cherrypick your most embarassing moments. Then he will interview Auraptor, but he will have given him 2 years prep, and they'll talk about the power of God in American life.
Sorry, but having watched CBS's Lara Logan's interview with Obama, which was so totally gotcha, and then CBS not airing that interview, instead, sending their Katie to interview him, Katie's Obama interview was like a flatterathon. Katie and Obama are co-workers, she has a crush on him, and worse yet, they have the identical agenda as witness they belong to the same think tanks. Then, Katie, who is so totally in the Obama camp she'd do anything to get him elected, is granted the only Palin interview, where she shreds Palin until Palin is a nervous wreck.
You still believing everything the media is telling you? Come on, you're smarter than that.
Rewind to that Lara Logan interview. The first CBS Obama interview, she corners Obama and gets him to admit that "Yes, my administration would represent no policy change over that of George W. Bush" Barack Obama's own words in an interview on CBS. Then watch his Katie interview which oh so "who does your suits" sort of nonsense.
I'll give them one thing, the interviewees here weren't lying, they're all a cut above Bush and Kerry who just lied their asses off. But to not see the blatant media manipulation, that's just mind-numbing. Sorry.
How do you think the election would have played, if the videos the media were playing were things like the fight between palin and cheney, the man fights between mccain and bush, particularly over torture, geneva conventions, stem cells. Then, that had been contrasted with with Obama saying he supports president Bush, his administration would be the same, he likes the fiscal policy, he supports the wars, he'd like there to be more us military action in the mideast, not less. All these things were said on camera, and reported, and not replayed by the MSM.
Would that have been fair and balanced? No. But it would have been the flipside of what we did see.
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Originally posted by rue:
Word was that McCain's people tried to prep Palin and she told them to take a hike.
Genuine, honest people. Heaven forbid we get one of them running this country.
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My god, anyone still boo-hooing for Palin because she couldn't answer some of the most softball questions ever is, frankly, pathetic. She wanted to play in the big leagues, she should have brought a brain with her.
Oh, and on the subject of the librul media, here's a study pointing out how the so-called librul media was more favorable to Republican candidates.
http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/9993.html
God, the right has become such a whiney bunch of sissies.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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To take a line from "Tombstone"...she called down the thunder, and she got struck with lightning. Towards the end of the campaign, when it was teetering towards hopelessness for McCain, she finally went into "friendly" territory and had some nice moments with Sean Hannity. Too little, too late. The general public could never get past Couric, Gibson, and Tina Fey.
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She was given no choice on Katie Couric, it was that or nothing, this campaign was sabotaged from the inside. People should look up Katie Couric before passing any judgment on Sarah Palin.
Katie Couric is a card carrying charter member of the CFR, the globalist institute that seeks to establish a New World Order, openly has advocated the reduction of the world population by 5 billion, supported all of our recent wars, supports the dissolution of the United States to surrender it to a one world govt., all of this from their own home page over the years. These guys make PNAC look like rank amateurs, except that All the PNAC guys are members too. Oh, and this is David rockefeller's baby.
Katie Couric is not a random reporter.
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"Mike,
Let's say today, I nominate you to be secretary to the UN."
If Mike can't answer the questions pertaining to his future JOB, maybe you shouldn't have nominated him. Right ?
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
She was given no choice on Katie Couric, it was that or nothing, this campaign was sabotaged from the inside. People should look up Katie Couric before passing any judgment on Sarah Palin.
Katie Couric is a card carrying charter member of the CFR, the globalist institute that seeks to establish a New World Order, openly has advocated the reduction of the world population by 5 billion, supported all of our recent wars, supports the dissolution of the United States to surrender it to a one world govt., all of this from their own home page over the years. These guys make PNAC look like rank amateurs, except that All the PNAC guys are members too. Oh, and this is David rockefeller's baby.
Katie Couric is not a random reporter.
I lost all respect for Couric. She absolutely played hot with Obama, and cold with Palin.
She's no journalist she's a barracuda.
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I don't have any problem with Katie Couric or her interview with Palin. In her wildest dreams she never could have expected Palin to come off as such a booby-head over such simple, normal questions. Extremely bizzare experience.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
She was given no choice on Katie Couric, it was that or nothing, this campaign was sabotaged from the inside. People should look up Katie Couric before passing any judgment on Sarah Palin.
Katie Couric is a card carrying charter member of the CFR, the globalist institute that seeks to establish a New World Order, openly has advocated the reduction of the world population by 5 billion, supported all of our recent wars, supports the dissolution of the United States to surrender it to a one world govt., all of this from their own home page over the years. These guys make PNAC look like rank amateurs, except that All the PNAC guys are members too. Oh, and this is David rockefeller's baby.
Katie Couric is not a random reporter.
So. What? Her questions had nothing to do with any of that. They were simple, easy questions Palin should have been able to nail. Couric's background didn't make Palin embarrass herself - she did it all on her own. And your defense is rediculous.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by rue:
"Mike,
Let's say today, I nominate you to be secretary to the UN."
If Mike can't answer the questions pertaining to his future JOB, maybe you shouldn't have nominated him. Right ?
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Thanks for that, Rue. I was going to say that I'd have declined the nomination, pointing out - with complete candor and validity - that I am wholly unqualified for that job, and that furthermore, having lost my father recently to the damage he suffered during his time in the U.S. Army in Viet Nam, I'd have to recuse myself due to the very real possibility of a conflict of interest, in that I may have some vestigial prejudices towards anyone from southeast Asia for the ills my father suffered there.
Clear enough answer for ya?
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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She's no journalist she's a barracuda.
Couldn't you say the exact same thing for Palin?
She was a journalism major in college, fer fuck's sake! Her nick-name was "Sarah Barracuda"! She polishes her bullshit image as the macho-tough he-woman, but she then proceeds to get her ass handed to her by a Kewpie doll like Katie freaking' Couric? Hell, I've never HAD any respect for Katie, simply because she's such a sweetness-n-light kind of interviewer - yet even she was able to hand Palin her ass on a plate.
How's that make Palin any kind of rugged individual capable of standing on her own two feet and standing up for herself?
Short answer: It doesn't.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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She's no journalist she's a barracuda.
Couldn't you say the exact same thing for Palin?
She was a journalism major in college, fer fuck's sake! Her nick-name was "Sarah Barracuda"! She polishes her bullshit image as the macho-tough he-woman, but she then proceeds to get her ass handed to her by a Kewpie doll like Katie freaking' Couric? Hell, I've never HAD any respect for Katie, simply because she's such a sweetness-n-light kind of interviewer - yet even she was able to hand Palin her ass on a plate.
How's that make Palin any kind of rugged individual capable of standing on her own two feet and standing up for herself?
Short answer: It doesn't.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
I have to agree with all of that. It's painful to me, but very true. Coming onto the national scene as an "honest hick" has its' charm, but that charm faded oh so fast. Maybe, as others here have said, her honesty and naive manner would be refershing in Washington DC, but in the real world that will never happen.
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Quote:It's one thing to defend ignorance, it's another thing to BE ignorant. Even jesus said something about being wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Unfortunately Palin got that bass-akwards.
Befuddled by the way of big politics is acceptable. It also showed she was 100% removed from the slick asshole machine that is big politics. Where lies and spins on the truth are commonplace
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
She was shown to be an idiot. Nothing she's done or said since has dissuaded me of that opinion.
It was their goal to portray her as some kind of idiot.
Obama looked bad during the Primary debates, but never got painted with the stupid brush...Hillary and the Republicans did however paint him with the 'unprepared' brush.
Democrats had every opportunity to paint Palin the same way. However, they started with an immediate jump to the most base and vile personal attacks. This caused a pro-Palin backlash during the RNC so they tried the 'unprepared' brush and that didn't work because it was correctly pointed out she had MORE experiance then Obama. At that point the Republicans began a series of mistakes including the Palin-Couric and Palin-Gibson interviews.
She looked great in later interviews. They should have started her with a friendly lineup like Sean Hannity, then rolled out the adversarial ones after they'd gotten her acclimated.
I give Palin all the credit in the world. She went from a courtesy place on the search list to contender in about 24 hours, then had her first national speech, then suffered the most intense period of personal and political attacks I've ever seen, and then gave one of the best VP convention speeches in history. Her only real mistakes in that whole three weeks or so was the Couric interview...which was amazing when compared to Biden.
In the month before the election Palin was meeting with the press on an almost daily basis taking any and all questions. McCain and Obama were not nearly as accessable. Biden was "in a secure location"...he emerged briefly for the VP debate and then it was back to the pit for "it puts the lotion in the basket" which is where he's at today.
"Nobody messes with Joe"...yeah, we all know Joe is sitting in the Oval Office's closet, handcuffed, dressed in leather with some kind of ball gag in his mouth...hmmm...just pictured Palin that way...its disgusting and inappropriate and kinda hot...
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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...and that didn't work because it was correctly pointed out she had MORE experiance then Obama.
"MORE" experience? Hardly. She was the mayor of a town of 1100 while he was a state senator of a state with almost 12.5 million, then she was governor of a state with fewer than 700,000, while he was a United States Senator, again of a state with more than 12 million.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Mike
sorry, no offense intended.
My point was Katie Couric is a hardcore neocon operative, and has been for a while. Lara Logan is a reporter. Katie just plays one on TV. Catch a bit of Lara's war reporting and you'll find she's no fan of GW. Bush, but she sure put the smack down on Obama, for being too much like Bush, and the media sure didn't air it. The point is that the thread, started by someone i don't know, he or she has a point. The media is not liberal, but it is biased. I know when liberals were opposing the iraq war, 200,000 peaceniks would show up, and a few dozen war supporters, and the press, if it said anything at all, it would be "protestors were our on both sides today" and then show you close ups of 6 people from each side. Yep, fair and balanced. No, the media has its own agenda.
It's slightly reassuring that it hasn't been very flattering to obama lately, not like it was during the campaign, so maybe he's straying from the script. But his speech last night was pretty close to word for word the speech Bush gave in 2005. A little more gloomy.
BTW, Can I have an exit strategy from this discussion. Personally, I'm not happy with the way things are going, a lot of people aren't, and so it's natural to go back and romanticize the loser. And yeah, I'll romanticize Palin if she shows up at my door, or she can send over Bristol and that other one, and throw in the McCain girls, and Lara Logan, and Katie Couric and Cindy McCain if there's time. If Obama doesn't mind, Michelle is also welcome :)
If I had to pick one though, it's gotta be Lara.
Angry young Lara, for CBS News
"you motherf^&kers aren't even going to air this because OHH Britney's back in rehab."
MMm. okay, mind off politics now. I'll be in my bunk. I invite everyone to go find clips of Lara Logan reporting.
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Quote:I SAW Palin's interviews and she didn't need anyone pushing her over the edge... she jumped all by her lonesome. Heck, I think Couric is pretty stupid.... but at least she preps harder!
It was their goal to portray her as some kind of idiot.
What I heard, is that the Party sent people to prep Palin, but she blew them off. I heard that Palin is actually bright. Maybe she thought all she needed to do was connect on an emotional level. Maybe she thought appearing TOO smart would turn off the peeps she was trying to appeal to. (The ignorami?)
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I was going to say that I'd have declined the nomination, pointing out - with complete candor and validity - that I am wholly unqualified for that job...
You know, that didn't work too damn well when *I* tried it, just sayin...
And Palins lack of qualifications didn't scare me nearly so much as her "true believer" zealotry for obviously disastrous policies cooked up by sociopathic maniacs.
Just imagine if Joe McCarthy was veep to a failing president at the very height of his fervor, and just how much damage that woulda done.
If THAT woman was next in line after a badly failing McCain, who rumor has it, had a mild stroke while on that campaign as it is, it would have strongly encouraged me to find somewhere else to live.
Policy and qualifications aside, I am firmly convinced that she's every bit as batshit crazy as these holier-than-thou Queen-wannbes you run into at PTA and Homeowner org meetings, and ten times as dangerous with her greedy, grasping, knows-whats-best-for-you hands in range of REAL power, oh HELL no - despite the fact that Obama, his party and policymakers make me yearn for an airsick bag, I felt the pressing need to vote *against* her as an act of self defense!
Felt the same way about Tipper, too, so it's got jack shit to do with party lines, and everything to do with the fact that I consider the woman to be downright insane.
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It was their goal to portray her as some kind of idiot.
And she graciously obliged by making it very, very easy.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Can't stop the signal.
Ha - cool!
Man, wouldn't you just crap (could be a happy
crap, could be a sad 
crap) if a political candidate chose that for their campaign slogan?I WOULD!
It was like that when we got here!
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Maybe she thought appearing TOO smart would turn off the peeps she was trying to appeal to.
Sheesh, ain't that the truth... You have to remember she was trying to appeal to the Bush conservatives, those who view anyone who checks "some college" on a poll as "intellectual elites". I'm surprised she didn't pronounce it "eeee-lights".
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Felt the same way about Tipper, too, so it's got jack shit to do with party lines, and everything to do with the fact that I consider the woman to be downright insane.
I'm right there with ya on that one!
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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A few thoughts.
Katie ain't dumb
Sarah ain't dumb
Got enough footage you can edit 3 min make anyone look like a moron. I just saw Jon Stewart make Barack Obama look like Forrest Gump. And he did it to prove that it could be done, not because he wanted to slight the guy.
Sarah's not a true believer, she's a very good faker. My sis lived in alaska, Sarah would say one thing to one group, something else to the next. She does well what John McCain sucks at.
I agree about Tipper and all true believers.
Re: Joe McCarthy, yeah, he was a little over the top, but when I read his chilling statement: I dread the day when Americans wake up to find their nation run by the disciples of Max Shachtman and their followers.
Those names would be
Irving Kristol
Leo Strauss
Allan Bloom
Paul Wolfowitz
Donald Rumsfeld
Richard Cheney
Richard Perle
Jeanne Kirkpatrick
Hillary Clinton
Karl Rove
William Kristol
Zbignew Brezinsky
Bill Clinton
Barack Obama
This list goes on. Some first generation, at the top, some second generation.
Joe McCarthy was a little extreme, McCarthyism, like Watergate, didn't kill anyone. Why are these held up as the crimes of the century? It eeked into your consciousness, the public consciousness, broadcast by the mainstream media, by a society run by these people. Oh, as for watergate, see watergate revolution, see how america was really stolen from its elected officials.
And think. Step back for a second and think. The american crimes of the 20th century were more like this, to any objective observer:
Nuking Japan
Supporting tyrants everywhere
Joseph Stalin
Chiang Kai Shek
Winston Churchill
Saddam Hussein
Pinochet
just to name a few.
Cutting a deal with the UK to delay the invasion of europe so that "the soviets and germans could wipe each other out" and incidentally, so the holocaust could be completed, as all our allies had low quotas on accepting jews. That was so they could take jewish scientists, but no one else.
Oh, and Rwanda, a made in USA disaster.
And several more, not quite as spectacular.
This is the sort of thing that an objective history would tell as the crimes of america in the 20th century. But our media feeds us things like Joe McCarthy and Watergate.
News flash: Joe McCarthy was right, insane, but right: the American Troskyite movement he started, that would become known as neoconservatism, was, in his own words "The number one threat to America." And that people in the media were seeding these ideas into the American public consciousness was also absolutely right. His methods were flawed, a witch hunt, very visible, and censorship, rather than exposure. But no one died.
Watergate was a set up. The spying was tipped by an insider, most likely the man who set the bugs himself, my guess, Karl Rove. People who commit crimes always rise to the top, and Karl was Nixon's interal spy, he kept track of all the jews in govt. and what they were up to. Call that what you will, it was what Karl was up to, and he turned on Nixon, and was annointed as a chief strategist by the people who dethroned Nixon many of them jews. They would never have done that unless Karl had betrayed Nixon.
I'm not passing judgment on any of this. Or supporting any of these shmucks. Just objectively reporting what happened, and pointed out the rather skewed perspective of our rather carefully edited and programmed history.
In the end, Joe McCarthy got a hundred some Americans fired, including himself, doing what he thought was absolutely essential to protect us from the very tyranny under which we now live.
William Jefferson got a hundred some americans killed, because he felt like it that day, and probably had some rumors to silence, who knows for sure. But for slick willy, that was just another day on the job. Or off the job, getting a blow job, letting his wife actually give the order.
3416 combat deaths in Iraq of US soldiers to date. That's just under the number of civilians that died each day during the Clinton presidency from his many international military
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No.
McCarthy's problem is that he was attacking the OPPONENTS of the folk you just named.
Not only was he nuts, he wasn't even right, going after all the wrong people while the real enemies were sittin right beside him egging him on and patting him on the back.
He was very instrumental in putting the final blows to real union labor that started with the first red scare and the palmer raids, both having more to do with clearing the deck for "Corporate America" than any real threat, and entirely successful in doing so.
He was also, in my opinion, the beginning of the end for the Republican Party, and the forefather of all the shit we're still trying to scrape off from the slimy bastards from Nixon to Bush that it's delivered unto us since.
Ike despised him, and I have profound respect for Eisenhower in no small amount for that fact alone, and if you go back and take a good long look at Eddie Murrow, concerning his blistering assault on McCarthy and his "Culture of Fear", and his reasons for doing it, you'll see in that a striking resemblance to my blistering assaults on the continuing use of that tactic by simply exchanging "Terrorism" for "Communism".
Seriously, McCarthy was a freaking monster, and the sixties were a direct backlash against people like him and their entire culture by folks possessed of moral courage the average citizens of today would envy if they weren't trained from birth to despise.
Hail to the hippies, down with the fearmongers.
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"MORE" experience? Hardly. She was the mayor of a town of 1100 while he was a state senator of a state with almost 12.5 million, then she was governor of a state with fewer than 700,000, while he was a United States Senator, again of a state with more than 12 million.
Your making a "quality" argument...but during the election it was framed first by Hillary, then by the Republicans as a quantity argument.
The Republicans had them beat on that point right up till the Couric interview. Many folks took Obama's "quality" argument as an attack on middle america and women (especially after he gave the VP slot to Biden instead of Hillary). It was also correctly pointed out that the Republicans had the more experianced person at the top of the ticket where they belong and that Palin's national experiance, while lacking, was less important in her role of VP.
The Couric interview cost the Republicans the quality-quantity experiance debate.
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What I heard, is that the Party sent people to prep Palin, but she blew them off.
That was AFTER the Couric and Gibson interviews. They over prepared her...classic mistake (just look at Gore in 2000 vs. Gore in 1992).
After the Gibson interview she sent her handlers packing and adopted a "let Palin be Palin" approach which fired up the crowds and led to not one gaffe in the weeks that followed.
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Sheesh, ain't that the truth... You have to remember she was trying to appeal to the Bush conservatives, those who view anyone who checks "some college" on a poll as "intellectual elites". I'm surprised she didn't pronounce it "eeee-lights".
Its typical to try and counter your opposition by portraying them as less intellegent or poorly educated. Most conservatives are people with college educations, jobs, stable families, and attend church. They are good folk.
If your description of conservatives was accurate, they would be the folks without college educations, working minimum wage jobs or unemployed, who are on welfare, etc. Oddly the description applies to liberals, particularly folks living in cities controlled by long-term Democratic party machines.
Take a look at the mortgage crisis. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of defaulting mortagees are liberal Democrats.
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Frem, agree to disagree, excepting one small detail
It was a quote. Max Shachtman was his number one topic, and he stated his worst fear that we'd wake up to find Shachtman's disciples running the country. Follow that chain, and you find that is who is running the country. He was nuts, yes, misguided, yes, but my main objection to him, damned ineffectual. He wasn't wrong about the Troskytes turned SWP turned Social Dems Turned Neoconservatives the various names this very same group of people have called themselves. These guys are still following the Shachtman plan, "one world govt through a hierarchy of supernational entities" yeah, I did my research on this one.
Even a total whacko can still be right.
As for hippies, they brought us some nice libertarianism, unfortunately they we're infiltrated with CIA agents Timothy Leary and company to introduce a new world Soma.
The problem I have with all crusaders is they draw too much attention to themselves.
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If your description of conservatives was accurate, they would be the folks without college educations, working minimum wage jobs or unemployed, who are on welfare, etc. Oddly the description applies to liberals, particularly folks living in cities controlled by long-term Democratic party machines.
And that is the biggest problem. Sarah Palin is a SMART lady. And so many other media mongers have been brainwashed into believing she can't tie her own shoes.
I could take the stance(like so many others in this thread) that Sarah is an idiot. Of course that would not be the truth.
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Quote:Because she refused to be interviewed after that. Hard to "gaffe" in front of a friendly crowd at a campaign stop, where nobody's asking questions.
led to not one gaffe in the weeks that followed.
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led to not one gaffe in the weeks that followed.
In the month of October she was being interviewed by the media on a nearly daily basis, a pace that was far greater then either Obama or McCain. Biden was kept away from the press.
She did not, however, get much more national media attention like she did in the Gibson and Couric interviews. She got a tremendous amount of State and Local attention.
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(Oct 20)In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.
By contrast, Biden hasn’t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn’t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain—who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability—hasn’t done one since Sept. 23.
In fact, if you search for October Biden interviews you'll find out he got interviewed by a 5th Grader and got into a fight with a Florida anchorwoman. Thats pretty much it.
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I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of defaulting mortagees are liberal Democrats.
You know, AuLapdog says that that means you're too lazy to look it up, and you don't know, so you'll say it anyway just to make a point.
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If I went to a toothless redneck bar near a polling station during the 2008 elections...I would get a bunch of "USA-USA's!!!", and "Fu#k Liberals", and if I asked questions about why they were voting for McCain I would have gotten all kinds of "Cuz Obama's a commie!", and a bunch of "I dunno...I just do!"'s. Then if I showed Fox News and Rush clips bashing Obama, I could come up with the same bigotry driven crap Zielger has regurgitated all over the floor.
We would be better off without the unconscionable idiots who believe Zielger. He is a class bigot, and Sarah Palin is a blitherring brainless bubbleheaded ninny, and her thousands of gaffes and displays of oblivion are what did her in.
Ziegler brings out the worst in Conservatives by trying to bring out and ralley the cry baby phony outrage junkies that lurk in the souls of all Conservatives.
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nd Sarah Palin is a blitherring brainless bubbleheaded ninny, and her thousands of gaffes and displays of oblivion are what did her in.
You're just pissed that she's hot, smart, and an accomplished career woman who never gave up raising a family. She's everything the Feminazis say no woman EVER could be, and yet, there she is.
And for every 1 of Palin's so called gaffes, Joe "Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." Biden has well over a dozen true gems. Biden makes Dan Quayle look like a gorram RHODES Scholar.
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And for every 1 of Palin's so called gaffes, Joe "Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." Biden has well over a dozen true gems. Biden makes Dan Quayle look like a gorram RHODES Scholar.
I think we can go ahead and forgive Biden every gaffe he's made before becoming VP. After all he says, "Louisiana is losing 400 jobs per day."
I know, all you truth loving liberals will want to jump in and harp on the fact that Louisiana is one of two states to gain several thousand jobs in the last month...but we need to allow Biden to move beyond the facts.
Biden: "It puts the lotion on its skin...It does not talk to the press."
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She's HOT ? Really ? Some people think so. Not many. If we put it up to a vote - well, we did. Apaprently not hot enough to win.
Smart ? Can't even answer which magazines she reads ... Runs her town into the ground financially ... Runs Alaska into the ground ... Still under ethics invesitgations ... Still owes back taxes ... and she's smart ? Not smart enough apparently to do what works, or to at least cover her tracks.
And accomplished career woman ? Well, she's certainly on the losing end of a a lot of efforts notably as VP, her popularity is falling among Alaskans (New poll shows Palin no longer Alaska's most popular politician), AND they don't trust her (Troopergate Scandal: 85% of Alaskans Believe Palin Lied). Is that YOUR definition of successful - going down in flames ?
As for enver giving up raising her family - she cranked them out sure enough. Then raised them on the government's dime (another investigation as to who paid for her children's travel, along with the per diem pay she gave herself while at home).
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rue -
Them's just the facts. Just the facts.
Point out what I said that wasn't 100% factual, if ya can.
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Every word out of Biden's mouth could be a gaffe (he's almost there already), and yet next to Palin he'd still look like a founding member of Mensa.
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Co founders of Mensa are both dead. Biden does appear to be dead as well, from the shoulders up.
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If you consider Palin 'hot', I have some pictures of a Bulldog chewing a wasp here that should put you through the roof.
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If I went to a toothless redneck bar near a polling station during the 2008 elections...I would get a bunch of "USA-USA's!!!", and "Fu#k Liberals", and if I asked questions about why they were voting for McCain I would have gotten all kinds of "Cuz Obama's a commie!", and a bunch of "I dunno...I just do!"'s. Then if I showed Fox News and Rush clips bashing Obama, I could come up with the same bigotry driven crap Zielger has regurgitated all over the floor.Quote:
That was pretty f^&king offensive. I don't think there was a lot of truth in it. I live in the heart of redneck country. I don't think I heard any ethnic slurs against anyone except against Sarah Palin, and Oh, I'm still hearing them. Oh, and Todd, and Bristol, and some agism against McCain. In person. In the media, there was some Muslim bashing, but not a lot of racism I heard. And yeah, most of the guys here, they voted for McCain Palin. But they weren't all nazi about it. they just related to them, people who actually knew what a shotgun was, or nascar, who could bowl higher than 37. But when Obama won, they were all like "oh, that's cool." I think there's maybe two guys in town who were upset. Most of them were like "anh, he sounds kinda like reagan, might not be too bad." And you coulda gotten a lot of fuck bush from these guys, but most of em have most of their teeth.
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She's HOT ? Really ? Some people think so. Not many. If we put it up to a vote - well, we did. Apaprently not hot enough to win.
People don't vote on hotness. Recently I saw a line up of stars and models, women in the news, and one of them was sarah palin was one of them, and I did a double take, didn't recognize her at first just thought, hey, she's hot.
I can see how straight women and gay men might miss that.
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In fact, if you search for October Biden interviews you'll find out he got interviewed by a 5th Grader and got into a fight with a Florida anchorwoman. Thats pretty much it.
Well, at least he was out there keepin' it real...
It was like that when we got here!
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If I went to a toothless redneck bar near a polling station during the 2008 elections...I would get a bunch of "USA-USA's!!!", and "Fu#k Liberals", and if I asked questions about why they were voting for McCain I would have gotten all kinds of "Cuz Obama's a commie!", and a bunch of "I dunno...I just do!"'s. Then if I showed Fox News and Rush clips bashing Obama, I could come up with the same bigotry driven crap Zielger has regurgitated all over the floor.
That was pretty f^&king offensive. I don't think there was a lot of truth in it. I live in the heart of redneck country. I don't think I heard any ethnic slurs against anyone except against Sarah Palin, and Oh, I'm still hearing them. Oh, and Todd, and Bristol, and some agism against McCain. In person. In the media, there was some Muslim bashing, but not a lot of racism I heard. And yeah, most of the guys here, they voted for McCain Palin. But they weren't all nazi about it. they just related to them, people who actually knew what a shotgun was, or nascar, who could bowl higher than 37. But when Obama won, they were all like "oh, that's cool." I think there's maybe two guys in town who were upset. Most of them were like "anh, he sounds kinda like reagan, might not be too bad." And you coulda gotten a lot of fuck bush from these guys, but most of em have most of their teeth.
Well, I live in redneck land, too, and I did see some of that behavior. One neighborhood put up a billboard that said "Obama is a Terrorist".
We've had to have meetings at my school to discuss how to deal with the sudden swell of racial insults being tossed around by kids right after the election - stuff that in most cases, they heard from their parents first.
And literally the day after the election, I heard a number of adults comparing Obama to Hitler, or saying we're on our way to a facist state - again, the next day.
So, yeah, that sentiment is out there. You may not have seen it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
And "ethnic" smears against Palin. Come on, you can't be serious. Gotta call bullshit on you there. Maybe if you'd said "sexist", you'd come off as less silly. Knee-jerk defense is one thing, but that's just kinda dumb.
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Biden is out there, all right. And keepin' it real. Real STUPID.
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If you consider Palin 'hot', I have some pictures of a Bulldog chewing a wasp here that should put you through the roof.
She's hot. I can't recall talking to any guy since her debut as The New Model Veep that doesn't think she's hot...or at least "easy on the eyes." I tried to watch her Convention speech but kept having to leave the room so as to "be in my bunk."
That said, I surely would admire to take a gander at that wasp-chewin' bulldog of yours...
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It was like that when we got here!
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That said, I surely would admire to take a gander at that wasp-chewin' bulldog of yours...
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Cute photo shop.
Again, the Left is just jealous. Plain , old fashioned jealousy.
Citizen's idea of what ' pretty ' is....
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That said, I surely would admire to take a gander at that wasp-chewin' bulldog of yours...
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Okay. Thanks, Cit.
My days of being in my bunk over Sarah may have just come to a middle...
It was like that when we got here!
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Wait for it.......
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Cute photo shop.
Yeah, it's much more fun when you put some effort in, rather than just taking a photo from someone else's site and posting it.
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Again, the Left is just jealous. Plain , old fashioned jealousy.
Yeah, we wish we could have our own ugly stupid halfwit to fawn over, damn.
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Citizen's idea of what ' pretty ' is....
You're the one who posts that picture constantly...
I mean, there seems to be a reason you keep it around on your photobucket account...
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I didn't mean ethnic slurs like redneck and white trash though there were those, it was all the eskimo jokes about Todd, but screw it, this is the lowest form of barroom brawl.
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Dworken is no longer among the quick, she died last year. Of course, as the saying goes, the dead vote democratic, fictional characters vote republican.
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Yeah, to remind everyone what you think ' pretty ' is.
I know you might not like Palin, but to call her ugly is flat out disingenuous. As much as I despise Granny Nanny Pelosi, I still have to give her props, for lookin as good as she does, at her age. Sure, at times she looks like a stomped on bullfrog, but other times, like during Barry's speech, she didn't look half bad. She was clearly on some amphetamines, but she looked decent enough.
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Oh, and to remind Chris what HE thinks " pretty " is, I keep this pic....
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Yeah, to remind everyone what you think ' pretty ' is.
That's why I keep the picture of the wasp chewing bulldog around, just for you. No need to thank me, I think of it as a public service.
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I know you might not like Palin, but to call her ugly is flat out disingenuous.
It's really not. It's not sour grapes (because it wasn't my election, no matter what delusional sociopaths might tell you, and her side lost anyway), I just think she looks like a slapped arse, and we're talking one full of cellulite, not Jessica Alba's.
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This is exactly why no one takes you seriously. You can't say anything w/ intellectual honesty, you're constantly the partisan far Left wing hack.
Palin's on the right, so she must be ugly, stupid.....please, you're a fucking child. Grow the hell up.
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Rap, please delete Ann Coulter and Laura Bush and add in Sarah Palin, Sarah Michele Gellar, Emma Caulfield,
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This is exactly why no one takes you seriously. You can't say anything w/ intellectual honesty, you're constantly the partisan far Left wing hack.
Palin's on the right, so she must be ugly, stupid.....please, you're a fucking child. Grow the hell up.
This from the guy who just posted two images suggesting all Republicans were attractive, and all Democrats are ugly. Not to mention the one who two months ago couldn't post anything bad about the government, and now can't post anything good...
Actually, I think this is why no one takes you seriously. Something about parroting back other peoples lines to them, and then throwing a hissy fit because people don't agree with you, swearing and calling them names. That's childish. Saying I find Palin less attractive than a slapped arse is just a factual statement.
Take some anger management classes, then maybe you can grow up eh
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It looks like I don't need to answer the posts that didn't agree that Palin is the stupidist politician since George Bush.
As part of thier pact with the Devil, Conservatives must field a candidate of unimaginable incompetance every so often. Dan Quayle 80's, George Bush 00's, Joe the Unlicensed tax dodging former welfare recipient ??'s, Sarah Palin 10's.
We've got CPAC coming up and it's going to be desperate. Bobby Jindal blew his Presidential chances yesterday. Tim Pawlenty has skeletons in his closet. Palin is a joke. Michael Steele is more journalist than politician. What a mess. All that backed up by impotent Dixiecrats turned evangelical Republicans whom I'm sure still like segregation.
The Republican party is unraveling exactly like the Whigs did in the mid 1800's. Good ridance in advance. And to get started I'll stop listening to you now like Washington already has.
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"when your liberal crowds get together in your liberal bars, no one chants USA!? I mean, it's the USA. You don't support the USA? What to they chant Al-Qae-Duh!"
That's beneath you.
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Mal,
You over the top, bloviating hyperbole is nothing short of irrational.
Palin is " stupid " ? You've got nothing but your unhinged, baseless hatred for the Right to lay that on.
And Joe the Plumber is yet to be a candidate for anything, but was just a typical working American, who was besieged on by the Left wing media because he dared to QUESTION Herr Obama. Where the hell do you get off getting angry at him? Where's the justified rage at a media who'd attack a private citizen for doing what we ALL should be doing, and that's putting tough questions to those in elected office ?
Oh, and you want to talk tax dodging? Hell, what about Charles Rangel or Tim Geithner , or half of Obama's choices for his cabinet positions? Spare us all the faux indignation, please.
Your cry fest over the status of the GOP wishful thinking, at best and makes about as much sense as a Kennedy at a Wal-Mart.
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"Oh, and you want to talk tax dodging?"
How about Sarah Palin for a start ? Still under investigation and hasn't paid the taxes she owes.
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She didn't evade anything, dumbass. There was a legitimate question as to whether she was due a per diem or not, and whether that was taxable income or not.
Compare that to Charlie Rangel, head of the powerful tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, who " forgot " to pay taxes on beach front property he owned, or Tim Geithner, the WunderKid Treasury Secretary who is too big to fail, and who signed a form affirming he KNEW the $$ he was being paid was to off set the tax $$ he owed, yet STILL didn't pay his taxes. Only when his name came up for the Treasury gig did he " fess up " and pay those taxes owed, but he conveniently didn't have to pay ANY late fees or penalties. Plumb sweet deal, if you can swing it. I know I couldn't.
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It's more than that. She used state money to transport her kids, which is both fraud and undeclared income.
As for the per diem, every tax expert said she owed tax on it. There was NO question about it. Except perhaps in your mind.
Say, is SHE one of the 95% of 'them' who don't pay tax ? It sure seems like it.
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It's more than that. She used state money to transport her kids, which is both fraud and undeclared income.
As for the per diem, every tax expert said she owed tax on it. There was NO question about it. Except perhaps in your mind.
Say, is SHE one of the 95% of 'them' who don't pay tax ? It sure seems like it.
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Rue, you just don't understand how things work in RapLand™. When a Democrat owes back taxes, it's a fraud and a scandal, because they're obviously a cheat. When a Republican owes back taxes, it's because they're being singled out and picked on by the Democrats.
In RapLand™, it's ALWAYS the Democrats' fault. Even if it isn't, it is.
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rue, you're so full of shit. It was clearly a misunderstanding. Each state is different in their tax codes, and this was nothing but a minor issue. Unlike the Rangel or Geithner issue, where massive, major fraud was committed. In Geithner's case, we're talking $ 34,000 in unpaid taxes. $$ He was PAID, and knew he owed, he simply chose NOT to pay. As for Rangel, the Chair of the House Ways and Means's Committee, he "forgot" to declare over $ 75k in income from rental property in the Dominican Republic.
How many of us have rental property in the Caribbean? Anyone ? Not I.
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In RapLand™, it's ALWAYS the Democrats' fault. Even if it isn't, it is.
Mike
If you're going to assume anything, assume you're wrong.
Explain away how it's NOT Rangel's or Geithner's fault, please.
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In RapLand™, it's ALWAYS the Democrats' fault. Even if it isn't, it is.
Mike
If you're going to assume anything, assume you're wrong.
Explain away how it's NOT Rangel's or Geithner's fault, please.
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Nice dodge. Explain away how Palin's problems aren't her fault, please. "Tax laws are different from state to state..." Please! So with all of her vaunted executive experience you've been prattling on about for months, NOW you're going to go with the "how could she possibly know what the laws are in the state where she's the governor?" Yes, tax laws DO vary from state to state - which might actually mean something if she were a newcomer to Alaska.
As for Geithner and Rangel, please show me where I said their problems weren't their fault. I pointed out that for you and your ilk, PALIN'S problems MUST be the fault of the Democrats, but I never said that a Democrat's problem wasn't his own. It's a good try at deflection on your part, but it's still weak.
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The " it's the Democrat's fault " construct is a straw man YOU made up out of thin air. I never made that claim, but the MSM so hyped up the tax issue as to make the likes of YOU equate Palin to Geithner and Rangel. Her issue is so much less than theirs, yet you're willing to vilify her and give THE DEMOCRATS a great big pass.
Hypocrite, thy name is Kwicko.
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It was their goal to portray her as some kind of idiot.
And she graciously obliged by making it very, very easy.
Hmmm? And how did she prove that she's an idiot? Flubbing that newspaper question by Couric? Please tell. I'm so curious.
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...the MSM so hyped up the tax issue as to make the likes of YOU equate Palin to Geithner and Rangel. Her issue is so much less than theirs...
Okay, short-bus - SHOW ME where I've given ANYONE a free pass.
And I'm sorry, but I'm simply not going to take your word for it that "her issue is so much less than theirs". You claim fraud for the others, yet INSIST that Palin's issue is nothing but a misunderstanding. You refuse to even entertain the possibility that (a) the others' issues may result from similar misunderstandings of the tax law, or (b) that Palin's issues may well be the result of fraud and premeditation.
I'm not saying either one of those are the case. In ALL such cases, there should be an investigation, and if deemed fraudulent, there should be charges filed and prison sentences handed down, not to mention penalties, fines, and loss of any eligibility to hold ANY government job in the future.
There is apparently solid evidence that Palin took some $17,000+ in per-diem pay that she wasn't eligible for, and charged some $19,000+ in bogus travel charges for unofficial, non state-business-related trips for her family. You claim this is so much less than Geithner's $34k in unpaid taxes, but it sound like some pretty major money to me. It sounds like felony territory, in fact.
Your partisan blinders are showing again, badly. Instead of investigating ALL tax evaders, you simply want to brush aside GOP members who run into problems, saying their problems were clearly "minor issues". Either it's a crime when anyone does it, or it's not a crime worth pursuing at all.
Hypocrite, thy (notice I spelled it correctly) name is AuRaptor.
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Why do I have to explain to you which SHOULD be common knowledge? This is very readily available info for all to discover, if you're not too scared of the facts
Tim Geithner is the TREASURY SECRETARY. He signed forms affirming that he was paid $$ from the company he worked for which was equal to the amount of $$ he owed in taxes. He did this for FOUR years, and each and every year, he took the $$ and then failed to pay the taxes.
There was no mistake, what so ever. This was willful tax evasion. Geithner owed 34 k in TAXES! Palin was due some , but not all of the $$ she was given. The 17k or what ever she didn't pay taxes on isn't 17k in TAXES she didn't pay, just the amount she wasn't taxed on. What rate that is, I can't say..... 10 % ??? So, she OWES what... $ 1,700 ? vs 34,000 that Geithner owes ?
Rangel is the chair of the House Ways and Means committe, which deals in what ? TAXES! And yet he paid NO taxes on the Caribbean beach front property he has. Makes me wonder what other property he has, which might not be known, that he's skimming income from, but not paying taxes.
Palin's issue is different because of the facts that they were good faith mistakes. It was a matter of degrees where the mistakes were made, not whole sale evasion. She COULD write off her husband on a business expense, but not her kids. And Per Diem? Hell, how many folks take a per diem and then make their own lunch, or go eat some where cheap , and pocket the rest ? Hell, most folks in business usually take a per diem and then tack on expenses, and that's simply how things are.
You give a pass by vilifying her tax issues as being some great fault on her part while glossing over the Dems tax issues. Treating hers as being some great show of incompetence or bad intent, and then barely mentioning what REAL evasion was committed by the members of the Dem party.
The more one examines the facts of the cases, the clearer it becomes that the Democrats scammed the Federal Gov't, intentionally, and Palin's was an honest mistake.
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You give a pass by vilifying her tax issues as being some great fault on her part while glossing over the Dems tax issues. Treating hers as being some great show of incompetence or bad intent, and then barely mentioning what REAL evasion was committed by the members of the Dem party.
That's utter horseshit. I "give a pass" by saying that we should investigate ALL of these allegations? In your partisan little world, saying "we should investigate" is tantamount to giving a free pass?
Point is, we were talking about PALIN here, not Geithner or Rangel. If they've committed fraud, I'd love to see them headed to the Greybar Hilton. But you've yet to show ANY evidence of where Palin's actions were simple mistakes or unintended blunders on her tax forms.
Investigate Geithner, by all means. Investigate Rangel, by all means. Investigate Palin, by all means. If there's evidence of a crime - whether intentional or not, it's still a crime - then charge them accordingly. Convict 'em if you can, and run all the fuckers out of government.
What part of that don't you get?
Mike
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If they've committed fraud, I'd love to see them headed to the Greybar Hilton. But you've yet to show ANY evidence of where Palin's actions were simple mistakes or unintended blunders on her tax forms.
I've shown exactly that, and I've shown how Geithner specifically signed forms avowing he KNEW he was getting paid extra $$ that was intended to cover the cost of his taxes owed, and yet he STILL didn't pay those taxes, and then claimed he " forgot " ? THAT'S the utter horse shit here, and the fact that Geithner didn't pay any penalties either. How much you want to bet Palin will pay late fees and taxes ? How much you wanna bet Rangel never does either?
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I've shown exactly that...
WHERE?!
Where have you shown that? Where have you shown anything other than "because I said so"? You want us to take your word for it, but your word isn't really worth much around here.
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...and I've shown how Geithner specifically signed forms avowing he KNEW he was getting paid extra $$ that was intended to cover the cost of his taxes owed, and yet he STILL didn't pay those taxes, and then claimed he " forgot " ?
Again, for the umpteenth time, can you please show me where I said that we should give him a pass, that we should NOT investigate this?
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THAT'S the utter horse shit here, and the fact that Geithner didn't pay any penalties either.
On this part, we're in agreement. If it were you or me, there'd be not only late fees and substantial penalties, but probably criminal charges of the felony variety...
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How much you want to bet Palin will pay late fees and taxes ? How much you wanna bet Rangel never does either?
Hate to piss on your parade, but according to your own words, "I'll bet" simply means you don't know and haven't looked into it, but just want to say it anyway to make your point.
Regardless, I've said more than once now that Geithner and Rangel should be thoroughly investigated - ideally by a known-Republican prosecutor - and if there is solid evidence of wrongdoing (and especially if there is solid evidence of malfeasance and malice aforethought), they should be charged, tried, and if convicted, sent to prison for a long, long time.
Once again, I fail to see how asking to uphold the same standards for all is "giving the Dems a pass".
You have no case, except a deeply ingrained case of partisan blindness.
Mike
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Quote:Kennedy at Wal Mart...tsk tsk tsk...The now Solid Republican South is a tribute to the cleverness of the haves getting the have-nots to work against their own interests: The main attraction the Republicans hold for the "regular people" who make up the bulk of their Southern constituency...is that they are the party of the white man. The decendants of segregationists now campaign for the wealthy, by protesting taxes for the rich!.....imagine that, mostly working class people doing the dirty work for the wealthy...can you spell b-i-t-c-h-e-s?
Originally posted by AURaptor: You've got nothing but your unhinged, baseless hatred for the Right to lay that on. Your cry fest over the status of the GOP wishful thinking, at best and makes about as much sense as a Kennedy at a Wal-Mart.
The 1948 Dixiecrat revolt was the Southern bolt from the Democratic Party in protest of Harry Truman's civil rights plank.
Then in the 60's - 70's, Segregationists left the Dixiecratic party because they had nowhere else to run, except Wallace and his band of confederates. The Republican party didn't takeover the south...the bigoted southern white Dixiecrats sought refuge in the Republican party, which had previously lost all of it's liberals and moderates. Dixiecrats became closet segregationist Republicans, the first generation of neocons. Southern Republicans today are 911 neocon evangelicals.
and they are still 87% white.
Rap...Evangelical Dixiepublicans and 911 Neocons are all your side has left, and the party is rank with ages old anglocentric paranoia. Rush is proof of that.
Sarah Palin represents the long dead Norman Rockwell innocence that Conservatives persue that the global economy will swallow whole along with whats left of America if Dixiepublicans and 911-neocons like Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty, and Steele get thier mitts on any kind of power.
To your credit, and to my dismay, Dixiepublicans and 911 Neocons will not go the way of the Whigs. The Whigs died out because they didn't take a decisive enough side on states rights. You guys have clearly retarded platforms on everything I care about, but platforms nonetheless, with plenty of sheeple to mindlessley obey thier wealthy white masters.
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"Ms. Palin received around $17,000 in per diem payments from the state for 312 nights she spent in her Wasilla home rather than the Governor’s mansion in her first 19 months in office. Per diem payments are a daily allowance to cover meals and lodging while on the state’s business."
So, she made $54 PER NIGHT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF to stay at home. Sounds like a typical repubican scam to me. Futher, she owes FEDERAL taxes on them as well, which are not subject to state rules.
"Several tax accounting blogs have raised the question: should Sarah Palin pay federal income taxes on the per-diem payments that she received from the state of Alaska for nights spent in her Wasilla, Alaska, home?
Anthony C. Infanti, a professor of tax law at the University of Pittsburg law school, raised the issue ...
“It’s obvious that the per diems are taxable income. There’s no question it is taxable,’’ Mr. McIntyre said. “If it were not taxable, no one would pay taxes. People would convert their salary into a per diem and no one would pay taxes. You can deduct travel expenses when away from home. But you cannot deduct travel when you are at home.”"
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"And she graciously obliged by making it very, very easy."
"Hmmm? And how did she prove that she's an idiot? Flubbing that newspaper question by Couric? Please tell. I'm so curious."
Is THAT a tough question for you ? 'What newspapers do you read ?' A Gotcha' question ? Because if it is, what you've just done is prove YOU are right there in her league.
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And how did she prove that she's an idiot?
1) She bashed the office of the vice-president with her smarmy, smug "Well, don'tcha know, someone's gonna hafta tell me what it is the Vice President DOES!" - and then she was idiot enough to accept when McSame offered her the job.
2) She agreed to give interviews she was clearly unprepared for, and
3) She opened her mouth to speak in those interviews.
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And how did she prove that she's an idiot?
1) She bashed the office of the vice-president with her smarmy, smug "Well, don'tcha know, someone's gonna hafta tell me what it is the Vice President DOES!" - and then she was idiot enough to accept when McSame offered her the job.
2) She agreed to give interviews she was clearly unprepared for, and
3) She opened her mouth to speak in those interviews.
Mike
If you're going to assume anything, assume you're wrong.
And this is worse than Biden's remark that Obama is , "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".... how ?
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Mal,
We've been over this before, and I'll proudly say it again.
Those you mischaracterize as " dixiepublicans " and " 911 neocons " are in all honesty and reality - REAL AMERICANS. We're not going away, we'll never cede the Union to any one ,and we'll defend the Republic from all enemies, foreign AND domestic.
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And how did she prove that she's an idiot?
1) She bashed the office of the vice-president with her smarmy, smug "Well, don'tcha know, someone's gonna hafta tell me what it is the Vice President DOES!" - and then she was idiot enough to accept when McSame offered her the job.
2) She agreed to give interviews she was clearly unprepared for, and
3) She opened her mouth to speak in those interviews.
Mike
If you're going to assume anything, assume you're wrong.
1. Wow. That's a doozy. Lighthearted comments aren't to be taken literally.
Person A:It's like a thousand degrees outside.
Person B: Oh my god you really thinks it's a thousand degrees outside your an idiot.
Person A:No I just meant it's really hot outside.
Get the picture brainiac?
If it's her dialect that bothers you, you should know that Obama frequently uses "slang" when speaking to African American teens. Not proper english. He must be an idiot as well.
2.Agreed
3.See #2.
You lose!
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And this is worse than Biden's remark that Obama is , "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".... how ?
Can you show me again where I ever said that Biden isn't an idiot?
I find his gaffes to be entertaining on a scale we haven't seen since Dan Quayle and his version of the NAACP motto, "to lose one's mind is a terrible thing."
Mike
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And how did she prove that she's an idiot?
1) She bashed the office of the vice-president with her smarmy, smug "Well, don'tcha know, someone's gonna hafta tell me what it is the Vice President DOES!" - and then she was idiot enough to accept when McSame offered her the job.
2) She agreed to give interviews she was clearly unprepared for, and
3) She opened her mouth to speak in those interviews.
Mike
If you're going to assume anything, assume you're wrong.
1. Wow. That's a doozy. Lighthearted comments aren't to be taken literally.
Person A:It's like a thousand degrees outside.
Person B: Oh my god you really thinks it's a thousand degrees outside your an idiot.
Person A:No I just meant it's really hot outside.
Get the picture brainiac?
If it's her dialect that bothers you, you should know that Obama frequently uses "slang" when speaking to African American teens. Not proper english. He must be an idiot as well.
2.Agreed
3.See #2.
You lose!
Looks like you agree with me on 2 out of 3. How is it that I lose?
Mike
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