Jaynestown

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:46 AM

I'm thinking Jayne didn't want anybody to think he would have hired on the likes of Simon.

RALLEM

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:39 PM

Jayne could have been telling the truth too and Simon really isn't one of his.

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JOHNAG68

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:02 PM

Logically speaking, Jayne's words ring true. "He aint a'one of mine" is a true statement because no one on board serenity is one of "his".

One issue here is the possible ambuguity of the term Jayne uses when he says "mine".

Should we take this to mean he is responsible for him, as in belonging to him in some way?

If we take Jayne's words in this fashion, his statement is true because
A) He isnt the captain.
B) Simon is not his servant/slave or belonging to him.

Next, We can infer by Jayne's later actions, including the turning in of Simon to the alliance, that he doesnt really consider him a friend even though he may be travelling along with Simon for the time being.

-- John Gulla

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:14 PM

I think it was a combination. I don't believe Jayne does consider Simon part of the crew at this point. He's being honest in saying Simon isn't one of his. He's so honest that even Stitch believes him right away. The other side of it is that Jayne cares about Kaylee. She's right there and he knows she's got a crush on Simon. He knows that she would be really hurt if she had to watch him get killed right in front of her. I think it was more about honesty and protecting Kaylee than any concern for Simon himself.

INSTANTKARMAGIRL

Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:14 PM

Everyone has logical thoughts on this.

Personally? I do think Jayne has a code, just like pretty much everyone in the 'Verse.

I think that while he didn't consider Simon "crew" and didn't like Simon or River based on the threat they posed to him, he wouldn't stand by and let someone be killed or hurt for something they weren't a part of. And yes, especially since the people he is fond of were standing right there.

Had it been anyone else, he would have done the same thing.

Selling River and Simon out to the Feds is a mite easier than watching a boy be butchered in front of you.

And at that point, Simon's tale of woe or not, Jayne didn't TRULY understand what would happen to them. Yes, he saw the brain scan...probably didn't mean much to him...and yes, he heard the words from Simon about them removing bits of her...but in Jayne's world, he doesn't know about hands of blue. He probably only knows that Feds would punish them with respectable means, after all the Alliance's whole trip is about bringing "Enlightenment" to the 'Verse, right?

Jayne didn't fight in the war. He's not anti-Alliance, per se. He's more anti-authority and the Alliance is the authority. He works in a criminal field, so while he doesn't like the Alliance because they could catch and punish him for doing illegal things, he might not know what they're capable of.

So in Jaynestown...I think yes, he was saving Simon, as he would anyone else. Yes, he was being truthful in his statement. Simon wasn't his in any kind of way. Jayne wasn't captain. Jayne didn't consider Simon and River part of the crew. And Jayne didn't consider Simon someone he was friendly with. And yes, Jayne said that to throw Stitch off and help save himself.

As for River slashing Jayne. I think it works on both levels. Had Kaylee been wearing the Blue Sun shirt, River wouldn't have slashed her. However, River has a history of destroying Blue Sun items (as referenced above). I don't think River hates Jayne. I don't know that she really meant to hurt Jayne, however, he's expendable, just like River and Simon are expendable to Jayne.

Hope some of that made sense.

Thanks for the fun topic!

~**~
"How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such?"~Cap'n Mal

KAOSIUM

Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:38 AM

This episode is one that has really grown on me, I didn't like it at first as it seemed it was just mocking Jayne and he's my favorite character.

However, upon further viewing I believe I got something out of it I hadn't before. Jayne is (at this point) *not* a hero--he doesn't even know what one is! Jayne is the practical, greedy thug, and while he has the ability and capacity to be heroic, he still puts himself above anyone or any cause: the antithesis of being a hero. I think he follows Mal and Zoe because he sees in them something missing in himself, something that even Simon has that he does not. I believe when even Wash showed that quality in "War Stories" it shamed Jayne into dressing for battle and going with them on their 'suicide' run.

Plus I loved the "Hero of Canton" and the crew's reactions to the song. On "Stillflying.net" they have an 'episode' where Jayne is holding off a mob of starving people who want the grain in their hold Mal planned to sell to the rich folk, not knowing the situation. Mal and Zoe are gone leaving Jayne guarding the ship and he's holding his gun on them keeping them at bay when River breaks into "The Hero of Canton" causing Jayne to stand down and let them have a crate of grain. Beautiful scene and something I could see them using in the show had it continued.

One thing that still bugs me though, just what exactly is Jayne's plan for dealing with Stitch if the boy hadn't taken the shot for him? Take a blast in the chest himself, then try to fight Stitch? I would have thought Jayne would have thrown that knife or at least jumped for cover before Stitch got around to firing the shotgun.

"Let's not be excluding people, that would be rude..."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:27 AM

I don't know about shaming Jayne in War Stories. Sure, he'll jabber about it being suicide for other folk, but he's a different entity. Even at the end of BDM, he conjures that he might make it even if nobody else does. And when it's clear there's gonna be some fighting, he sure isn't going to miss out on all the fun.
He also knows he is not a planning genius, and knows that Mal and Zoe seem to have that knack.

KAOSIUM

Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:56 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I don't know about shaming Jayne in War Stories. Sure, he'll jabber about it being suicide for other folk, but he's a different entity. Even at the end of BDM, he conjures that he might make it even if nobody else does. And when it's clear there's gonna be some fighting, he sure isn't going to miss out on all the fun.
He also knows he is not a planning genius, and knows that Mal and Zoe seem to have that knack.

I think something must have happened to get him from mocking them for a suicide run to deciding to go himself. It seems pretty apparent that this is a two man (or 'one man, one woman--unisex') operation initially. Zoe is surprised when she sees Book, Kaylee and Simon arming themselves and then must have given Jayne a somewhat shocked look when she saw him all dressed and ready to go judging from Jayne's reaction.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by Kaosium:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I don't know about shaming Jayne in War Stories. Sure, he'll jabber about it being suicide for other folk, but he's a different entity. Even at the end of BDM, he conjures that he might make it even if nobody else does. And when it's clear there's gonna be some fighting, he sure isn't going to miss out on all the fun.
He also knows he is not a planning genius, and knows that Mal and Zoe seem to have that knack.

I think something must have happened to get him from mocking them for a suicide run to deciding to go himself. It seems pretty apparent that this is a two man (or 'one man, one woman--unisex') operation initially. Zoe is surprised when she sees Book, Kaylee and Simon arming themselves and then must have given Jayne a somewhat shocked look when she saw him all dressed and ready to go judging from Jayne's reaction.

I reckoned the mocking of suicide run akin to John Wayne telling kids to stay home, or stay behind, while experienced men did the dirty work. But I don't think Jayne had any intention on missing out on any fun fighting which was about to occur. Just my conjuring.

YELLOWJACKET

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 5:24 PM

Jayne said 'He ain't one of mine' because he didn't except Simon as 'one of his'. He wasn't trying to defend him or save him in any way. He was just flat out saying, 'he ain't a friend of mine'. Pure and simple.

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