A whole new war, a dazzling hate I never knew
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Friday, January 30, 2009 20:59
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Wow, people get really upset on these threads. I figured Firefly fans to be a bit more easy going lol.
A couple times they get upset, but usually they're just f^&king with you. We might have a battle to the death here, and then go have a beer.
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"Sockpuppet"? If I was I wouldn't have picked such an obscure aircraft as the EA-6B Prowler to say I flew. I would have picked an F/A-18 or F-15 or something like that.
Ah, you're making an assumption: That no one else on the board is a naval airman. That assumption would be incorrect. But even uneducated tomato farmers know the scope of the US military. People are more aware than you may suspect.
BTW, Get used to being a suspected sockpuppet, it's not going away for a long time. It didn't for me either.
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At any rate, we obviously disagree on the Afghanistan war and we're not going to change each other's opinions. You know Afghans who want it stopped, I've had an Afghan come to me in tears thanking me and begging us not to stop before its done with.
Unfortunately for me, you're the one with the weapons.
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However, I DO agree that we're overly dependent on bombing. Airpower is an amazing thing and its definitely necessary in combat, but we need to have more stringent standards for when we use it and when we don't. You're right in that case. We'll never win the hearts and minds if we keep causing so much collateral damage.
So called. I think it's worse than just a bad choice as a weapon of war, it's a recruitment poster for the enemy. The problem is that our govt. is afraid of US casualties, because they make headlines. If you go to war, that's the risk.
The case against aerial bombardment was made long before it began, in Jules Verne's Master of the World, 1904.
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Oh, and my plane doesn't drop bombs. We carry the HARM missile which is used to shoot at surface to air missile/radar sites. Its a tactical jamming aircraft that we use to suppress enemy air defenses.
Interesting. I'll look it up, see what happens if you hit a house with it
I'm impressed that they have air defenses.
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We are doing some good over there. Every Friday we have a bazaar and the local Afghans come on base and set up a little tent city and try to sell various crafts, mostly made in Kabul. They make pretty good money. I remember this one kid in a Bears jersey, gold chains, and a sideways Chicago White Socks hat trying to sell me Soviet uniforms and old British pistols. Another one was giving these Air Force girls a ride on a camel. Its a hell of a place.
Just try not to make it a *hell* of a place
One problem with places like Bagram is that our side doesn't report them at all, and so all we here is from the other side.
My own view on the matter is complex, and I have a lot of issues I'd like to discuss on it. But at the moment I'm very sick, so I have to get over this flu. But stick around a while, and we'll have a nice civil discussion about the pros and cons, and the possible courses of actions, after which I'll go back to growing tomatoes, and you'll be ordered by people to do whatever their bosses think is right, and neither of us will have any power to change it
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The bombing happened because we had the bomb. Forget the part where the bombing of pearl harbor was a reaction to the sinking of a japanese sub. The local japanese commander panicked, and thought "we have to sink the US Navy before it deploys" which they thought was imminent. They were also right. Fascinating story, the guy who shot the sub figured out what the japanese response would be, and radioed based, and told them to evacuate. Base couldn't do so without an order, or so he was told. They got ahold of the Dep. Sec. of defense, who had trouble finding the sec. of defense, who took his mornings in the park. They then went to the president, who called pearl harbor to tell them to evacuate. Pearl harbor had been destroyed 2 minutes earlier, and didn't respond.
Back on a japanese aircraft carrier, a captain got a distress call from the sub. He was about 100-150 miles away. They went into the cabin and discussed it for 15 minutes. They realized that this might be the result of an unintentional collision, meaning that the fleet was to be deployed at dawn. They decided to make a pre-emptive strike, and take out the navy. It took another 15 minutes for the japanese bombers to reach their target, two minutes before the incoming call from washington.
Wow...didn't realize you were a crazy-talker. A local Japanese commander?
"Well, we just happened to be sailing within short range striking distance of Pearl Harbor with the bulk of our carrier fleet and strike aircraft armed with specially modified shallow-water torpedoes thousands of miles away from our bases and after having spent months training for a shallow water attack in a harbor resembling Pearl Harbor when low and behold a short range mini-sub was sunk trying to peacefully enter an American harbor, submerged and unannounced, and we responded accordingly (not to mention the whole "Declaration of War" top hat and tails bit)."
I like the 'Tora Tora Tora' much better. Hell, Ben Affleck's version has more basis in fact then yours does.
Edited to add: To you know how much oil it took to sail the Jap fleet to Hawaii? Do you realize the amount of logisitcal planning the operation required? Local commander my ass...
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It wasn't an out of the blue move, the japanese were doing the same thing we were doing: colonizing the pacific. Hawaii wasn't even a state. It was an occupied foreign kingdom at the time. Meanwhile, we'd been been at war with Japan for 4 years. Of course they had deployed the Navy to block us. They would be moron if they didn't.
Your underlying assumption is that the japanese sphere of influence ended somewhere in Sai Pan. Reality was it ended at our doorstep, in the middle of the pacific.
I'm sorry, bored now. This thread was about Pakistan, not Hiroshima. I think I said that I have no sympathy for the defenders of the Hiroshima attack. None, zip, nada. Zero. They are on a complete par with holocaust deniers, IMHO. It's really 6 of one, have a dozen of the other. Signing off, flame away.
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