A whole new war, a dazzling hate I never knew

POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Friday, January 30, 2009 20:59
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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:03 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/24/pakistan-barack-obama-air-
strike

Oh, Bomb a.
Kill any kids today Barack?

I said he had 18 months unless he did something utterly moronic like attack Pakistan. This would be where he just attacked Pakistan. Meet the new president, just like the old president.

This regime is just six days old...
(george harrison weird al tune comes to mind)

Oh, and isn't this the guy who said "dropping bombs isn't the best way to conduct a manhunt for suspected criminals?" Well, I guess it's not, but good enough for Obama.

Who wants a riot? I think that the honeymoon just came to a crashing close, time to bring it down.

Does anyone really think that the peace protesters of the left who marched by the millions to try decry the deaths of thousands by Bush Sr., who were silent over the 10 million or so Clinton casualties, but took up signs again to oppose W. are going to follow their own moral convictions and storm the mall?

Of course not. Watch them do what they always do, defend it, rationalize it, dismiss it. And then do nothing.

But Barack, meet me at camera three:

You just attacked a US ally that you are sworn to defend. Also your advisors said such attack is an attempt to destabilize the region and increase terrorism. Anyone have Obama saying this? He might have. And, yes, you just invalidated every treaty the US ever signed, since by treaty, we are sworn to protect Pakistan, the word of the US, revived for 6 days, is now utterly worthless, and all treaties void.

But more than that, you just killed 18 so called suspects. Even if they were suspects and you had any idea what you're bombing, even a cop who did that would be burned at the stake. And spare me the Bush this Bush that, everyone said Bush was a shmuck and should fry. Is this what you're aiming for?

So, you want to go to war with Pakistan. a nation half our size. China's not going to be too happy with that. Hell. No one is. So, people want to give Harry hell for using the term Paki. Last I checked, and correct me if I'm wrong, he wasn't bombing them.

Oh, and lastly, remember the part where you said you would encourage the Pakistani govt. to face down the rebels, and aid them in that fight, and only use unilateral force as a last resort? Well gee. That only took 6 days. I guess you're taking the Bush angle of "Last resort" means "as soon as they give me that button I'm hitting fire."

Well, liberals of the world, you know who said they wouldn't attack Pakistan, because we were allied by treaty to them, and would instead help Pakistan to achieve stability by aiding its own govt.? Sarah Palin.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:09 PM

Not happy.
I only hope Obama is yelling at someone using words that cannot be made public.
This surprised me.
Could it be left-over orders from the last administration that haven't been specifically countermanded yet that were being followed?
*hopes*

The not-laughing Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:46 PM

Rahmbo.

Expect fallout.

Don't expect it to be public.

-F

WHOZIT

Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:05 PM

AND they're sending 20,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Notice that now the election is over we've heard nothing about Iraq, is it still there?

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:05 PM

I know, I read the hope in the responses, that it is not in fact that "Obama ordered these attacks," as reported. It's possible. If so, I think, though he doesn't have to make the evisceration public, he needs to make a public statement. I'm on multiple lists, so I also got ones blaming Gates and Hillary.

Couple things do disturb me:
1. A lot of hawk talk during the Obama campaign.
2. He dodged a question the other day about his use of the term "war on terror." He had previously said that the term and concept would have no place in his administration.

I'm willing to adopt a wait and see attitude, but I'm not alone in losing patience real fast. The world is going to lose patience.

Obama has also denounced the tactics of random bombing before. It's possible that this was not his call, if so, he has to denounce it, and I think at least one head should roll.

Not literally, but that's okay to. All reports say 14 civilians in a target country to which we are still allied, including one entire family, alone in their home with no militants or al qaeda connections. I think that if it's one of the above, executing them on the capital steps would be an effective means of preventing it from happening again. Oh, and btw, yes, he does have the power to do so. It's treason to launch an attack on the US and her allies, and treason is a capital crime. He could go all Chairman Mao on them if he wanted to.

All I'm saying is: God I don't want eight more years of this.

Also, from a selfish angle: The world learned to hate the Bush Administration. Now it can learn to hate America like it hates Israel. Oh, Socialist Paradise Sweden is having riots today after a pro-Israeli demonstration was overwhelmed by attacking onlookers. Oh, this just gets better and better. I wonder which will be the first major world power to declare war on the US?

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:07 PM

Whozit:
1. Yes, 30,000, 22,000 of which are coming from Iraq.
2. Cut out the bagel bit, it's old, stale, and though sometimes I want to take you seriously, I can't. It's really in your best interests.

WHOZIT

Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Whozit:
1. Yes, 30,000, 22,000 of which are coming from Iraq.
2. Cut out the bagel bit, it's old, stale, and though sometimes I want to take you seriously, I can't. It's really in your best interests.

Bagel bit stale

CHRISISALL

Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Rahmbo.

Can we leave the movies outta this?

The RL Chrisisall

PIZMOBEACH

Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:46 PM

OB said he would do this kind of thing back in Aug of 2007, even said that we'd "take things into our own hands" if Pakistan failed to act on credible evidence of Taliban or Al Qaeda activity inside Pakistan's own border.

He also said:

"It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Above all, I will send a clear message: we will not repeat the mistake of the past, when we turned our back on Afghanistan following Soviet withdrawal. As 9/11 showed us, the security of Afghanistan and America is shared. And today, that security is most threatened by the al Qaeda and Taliban sanctuary in the tribal regions of northwest Pakistan."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

He sent Petraeus to Pakistan the first moment he could. If you think they didn't know and ok this I think you're mistakened. Pakistan is a mess right now, and getting closer to being in a stalemate with the Talibs.

You can't talk to the Taliban.

"Last year, 70 police officers were beheaded, shot or otherwise slain in Swat, and 150 wounded, said Malik Naveed Khan, the police inspector general for the North-West Frontier Province.

Without more forceful and concerted action by the government, some warn, the Taliban threat in Pakistan is bound to spread."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/asia/25swat.html?_r=1&ref=worl
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So the public face of the new leadership of Pakistan is, "how could they?" and the private one is probably more like, "help us!"

So the Pakistanis that were quoted said that the US strike killed all civilians? Really? Wonder if they'd wake up with their own heads on their bodies if they said otherwise...

KWICKO

Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:30 PM

I'm not too keen on this, for reasons you've already stated. I keep HOPING that it's going to be different, but who knows? Maybe that was the hope we were voting for: the hope that it won't be just more of the same.

I'd really like to get more info on WHERE in Pakistan these folk were, though. I mean to say there is a difference (albeit a subtle one) if they were 100 miles inside Pakistan, versus launching attacks in Afghanistan and them hopping a couple hundred yards across the border, saying "Nyah-nyah-na-na-na!" at us as we sat by impotently.

In other words, if you're sitting on the Texas side of the Rio Grande and someone starts taking potshots at you from the Mexican side, how pissed are you going to be if a Predator drone goes ahead and takes them out while they're standing there shooting at you? (And that may sound crazy, but I actually know a guy in real life who was shot from across the Rio Grande while he was rafting the river, and very nearly died from his wounds. Some of his friends DID die from theirs. And our government did squat about it. )

I'm reserving judgment for the moment, hoping to get more facts.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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