Israel about to get its ass kicked

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, January 4, 2009 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
And you and have no proof Hamas broke the cease fire. But, points for straw-men.

There are rockets being fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel. That breaks the ceasefire. Cease – Fire. IT means to stop, or cease, firing rocket into Israel. When the rockets begin firing into Israel, then the “Cease” “Fire” has been broken. See how that works.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 7:34 AM

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It’s not my intent to offend you. If you are then I’m sorry, but that doesn’t change anything I’ve said. It’s my intent to point out how you apologize for every Jew hating bastard in the Middle East. And I’m going to do you a favor and pretend that you didn’t just evoke the tragedy of the Holocaust as a plea to emotionalism in an attempt to win an argument on the internet.

Sorry, what you just said is you stand by your insult, to me, my family and six million or more dead. You stand by your desire to see more semites die on both sides of the line because it makes more gold for your coffers in the MIC.

Don't do me any favors. I have no interest in winning an argument on the internet. I'm refering to the fact that you invoked the holocaust as a means of insulting me. That you stand by having done so is unforgivable.

A close friend of mine, and a Rabbi, just passed away, his son just emailed me that he is also very sick with pneumonia. These are things that emotionally effect me.

At present, I can't confirm that you even know a jewish person, let alone have any connection to the holocaust. You've said or done nothing to convince me that you are up to anything other than profiting from another war.

I also said in that post that my direct ancestors were in the Germany govt. Clearly they weren't Nazis, and they were killed for their opposition, along with their jewish and non-jewish relatives. Do you think that I, or they, supported the Govt. of Germany in its extermination of them?

If the answer to that was obvious than it is equally obvious that I can oppose, as can the jews that I know oppose, the actions of the Govt. of Israel for an action which will kill more jews, and non jews, a distinction that as a non-racist I do not make. I strongly oppose war. It will lead to only death and long term instability, and maybe profit for Finn.

I don't, nor will I ever, hold the people of Germany accountable for what happened. They are not responsible for a govt. which seized power and seized control of industry, instituted gun control, a draft, and then enslaved its people and neighbors to do its bidding. And if you are reading Riverlove, you will see that *this* is the separation between govt. and country.

Nor will I ever hold the people of Israel responsible for what its govt. does in Gaza and the west bank. But that does not make it not wrong.

You know that I will always defend the defender against aggression. Painting me as a "jew hater" looking for another holocaust is a double insult when you know the effect of the holocaust on my family.

Yet you stand by all of your offensive remarks. From now on, do the world a favor and show your true colors, Use the terms k*ke and sandn*gger from now on, that will be much more your style. Just as long as people die, you make a buck.

It's Finn's job security.

For the record, I don't think that Hamas hates jews, but they're getting there. I know that Ahmadinejad does not hate jews. He has said this repeatedly. He supports the right of Jews to live in their holyland, he never claimed that Israel should be wiped off the map, he just believes in one state solution. I disagree with him on this issue.

But there are a lot of "jew hating" bastards in the middle east, and I defend none of them. Top on the list I believe are your friends the Saudis. They don't recognize Israel, they fund terrorists against the jewish people, they clearly hate jews. I'm not about to defend them.

As for lebanon, I took no position, I only said it was an own goal, meaning, bad weapons choice, our bad weapons choice, caused the Israelis to abort. As for the govt. of Egypt, I have serious issues with that govt. I don't have major issues with the govt. of Jordan which is generally more accepting of Israel. Syria I have issues with because they're communist, but not because I think they're anti-semitic.

But quite frankly, how dare you. You throw around "jew-hater" and "anti-semitic" and the holocaust like it's a magic shield, and you can't face the fact that you're

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Their strategy seems to be kill 500 women and kids for every Hamas leader killed. Where are their precision drone plane killers like we have? Or elite commando units?, or in-country assassination teams? This pending ground invasion is reminiscent of the razings of all the Polish ghettos during WWII. And then what kind of bloody, deadly and disgusting mess is going to be left there? Compared to what the Nazis did to Jews in WWII, a few rockets fired into their country that kill almost no Israelis seems like a tea party, and a very weak case to make to become what their former tormentors were to them. They should have done more to avoid or lessen this possibly politically-motivated aggression.

Why do you hold the Israelis to such a ridiculous standard. I suspect it's because you've never had missiles rain down on your neighborhood randomly. This isn't a war movie were a couple of commandos can go in and save the day. This in an entrenched terrorist group supported and enabled by the populace. Other than the children, there are no completely innocent victims. No country can win a war if they let the enemy set the terms of battle. The Palestinians have chosen to support the terrorists and therefore chosen to suffer the consequences. You seem to have forgotten that the purpose of this war is to stop the missiles for the long term not to exchange casualties with the enemy on their terms.

Civilized people must be held to some measure of standards for their actions. First they put on their grand air show, with thousands of sorties engaged in a massive un-challenged orgy of destruction and death, now under the multi-camera equipped Fox & CNN News crews, they roll their tanks in. I don't think it was a case of having no other options, but more a case of one political vacuum (USA) and one political opportunity (Olmert worried about Netanyahu).

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:07 PM

Riverlove,

My point earlier, of how bad this is for Israel/Jews. It's a movie, where the actors get killed. It's a propaganda movie where the bad guys swapped swastikas of stars of david, and, since cameras are everywhere, that footage is probably available. The footage that most people didn't see about Iraq is enough to destroy the US image in the arab world forever. God forbid that Obama keep up policies like Bagram prison in Afghanistan.

Oh, and Angelina *is* there saving her Palestinian baby. Madonna is there trying to be as Jewish as she is British.

The idea of no innocent civilians is a dangerous one. It might be the tipping point that turns war into genocide.

Sorry I blew my top at Finn. I was sick of insinuation that I was sympathetic to a second holocaust because i disagree with Finn. What I could tell Finn that he doesn't know about the holocaust could probably fill a book. For my own mental health I'm putting Finn on ignore. I wish this forum actually had that function. I was talking to a Jewish friend on IM at the time, whose father had just died, and he had pneumonia. He didn't just invade Gaza, or set up any subprime mortgage scheme, but he's going to get the blame. There is no right side on this one.

Meanwhile: Obama is saying Please God make this go away before I'm president and have to say something about it.

KIRKULES

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

I promise you, there is no greater enemy of PC on this board, or off it, than myself. The very idea of PC is fascism.

However, dehumanizing racist rhetoric is tacit approval of genocide.

So, you don't believe in PC but anyone who uses language you don't approve of is a Nazi genocidal slaveholder. Do you ever think before you post, because you posts read more like incoherent babble.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:59 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Sorry, what you just said is you stand by your insult, to me, my family and six million or more dead. You stand by your desire to see more semites die on both sides of the line because it makes more gold for your coffers in the MIC.

I stand by my interpretation of your comments, which isn’t made any less accurate by your crocodile tears. If you wish to be insulted, then knock yourself out, it doesn’t change how you go to outlandish extremes to whitewash the despicable actions of Middle Eastern terrorist factions, as you condemn Israel. You have two choices; you can try to make your arguments a bit more balanced, or you can cry like a baby and hope that if you whine long enough about the Holocaust that it will make you right. But it won’t. One has nothing to do with the other, it just demonstrates how your interpretation of the Middle East is based on emotionalism and not fact.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, January 4, 2009 4:07 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Civilized people must be held to some measure of standards for their actions. First they put on their grand air show, with thousands of sorties engaged in a massive un-challenged orgy of destruction and death, now under the multi-camera equipped Fox & CNN News crews, they roll their tanks in. I don't think it was a case of having no other options, but more a case of one political vacuum (USA) and one political opportunity (Olmert worried about Netanyahu).

For the record, everything that the IDF has done is according to military strategy. First you use air support to degrade the enemy’s defensive capabilities then you go after their attack capabilities, and finally you send in group troops to secure the area. What Israel has done is not for show. Shows of force doesn’t help Israel at all, and they know that.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KPO

Sunday, January 4, 2009 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Show me that that it's Hamas. Then we can talk.

Can I ask you rue, what is your personal view of the culpability of the Hamas government, if at all, for all of the thousands of rockets that were launched from gaza throughout the ceasefire?

Do you think they took part themselves in these attacks, out of uniform or whatever? Or did they quietly cooperate/supply other factions with weapons behind the scenes? Or did they just wink at all the other factions strolling past them carrying Kassams on their way to the launchsites?

Or do you genuinely believe, as you are defending them, that there is no complicity of Hamas in the rocket attacks?

Or maybe you think that despite them being the acting government bound by ceasefire, they have no responsibility to step in and prevent acts of war against a neighbouring state...?

Heads should roll

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 5:01 PM

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KIRKULES
So, you don't believe in PC but anyone who uses language you don't approve of is a Nazi genocidal slaveholder.

No, just nazis. I'm sorry, is that not PC enough for you? Should I say pro-death lifestyles?

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CUMHAL posted, how unfortunate

CUMHAL: You just don't know when to stop kicking someone's dead relatives. So, if you care about real victims of the real holocaust, then you're are a crybaby, if you want to use the the holocaust as godwin rhetoric for your own anti-semitic fantasy, then you're CUMHAL.

You know, when I first signed on to this forum several people PMed me and said "don't respond to CUMHAL, he's a nazi." I ignored it then. I give. Not an epithet, just an objective identification.

Abandon thread, abandon thread! This is a waste of time. The fascist crowd will never see reason.

Meanwhile, huge demonstrations against Israel in NY. Lot of jews in those demonstrations. They know what's coming. They get that they're being played. Someone is stoking the fires of anti-semitism, both anti-arab and anti-jewish. I think it's some of you guys.

I've asked several times for a political rationale, but none has ever been given. All I hear is that anyone who acknowledges the real holocaust, rather than having wet dreams about one to come, is called names. Well, this is really high minded rhetoric.

Fortunantely, now you have revealed your true motivation. You're just rejoice in death. I believe one member actually said "nazi nazgul."

If I lose this argument, then fine, I lose this argument, but I'm not likely to forget you dancing on the graves of my ancestors.

What a pig.

KPO.

If you're not another spokesperson for fascism, and are actually interested in the answer, Yes, of course there is no complicity of Hamas in the rocket attacks *before* the Israeli attacks.

Use your brain. Hamas is trying to act in the interests of its own survival. It's not a mindless killing machine.

Israel is also acting in its own survival, but has been given carte blanche, and so has opted for completely elimination of palestine.

Israel could've have sought a UN resolution, or international backing. Instead, there was a resolution condemning this unchecked war of aggression.

Israel is nothing to admire at the moment. I still support the idea, but they're really losing my sympathy. It's another tin plated dictatorship on a war of aggression. With any luck, the Israelis will throw the bastards out, if they can. This nonsense is just creating a new generation of anti-semitism.

BTW, for anyone who thought I was offended by anything else, I said, one other time, when people started a "lets kick off Pirate News" thread. Anti-one person threads should be avoided. But I'm not a holocaust whiner. I avoided the topic for a long time, but then some a**hole had the audacity to dance on their graves and blame me.

If he happens to wonder why I react negatively, he should probably try going up to black people and say "n*ggers are inferior, move now" and see how well that goes over. I think he might get an ass kicking, and while I oppose violence, I think that this sanctimonious prick is in need of one.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, January 4, 2009 5:31 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
You just don't know when to stop kicking someone's dead relatives. So, if you care aboutreal victims of the real holocaust, then you're are a crybaby. If you want to use the the holocaust as godwin rhetoric for your own anti-semitic fantasy, then you're CUMHAL.

You’re such a joke. You’ve spent half this thread trying to deflect the issue away from your biased rhetoric to pleas to emotionalism about Holocausts. You’ve spent half this thread evoking Godwin. When you decide you want to deal with the issue, instead of making pleas of emotionalism, then let me know. Until then you’re a joke – not the Holocaust victims that you have shamelessly flaunted to cover your own bias, but you. You’re the joke. Yes, we all know that the Holocaust was a horrible tragedy, but it doesn’t make you any less full of Bullshit.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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