Israel about to get its ass kicked

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 1:47 AM

Mike

Thank you. My apologies for doing what I oughtn't which is to respond promptly, and without due time to allow things to cool. Had I done so, Finn might have had a better response, or I might've. But those were, at the moment, my thoughts exactly.

Wulf

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Our country should not be involved AT ALL in this conflict. Let them hash it out.

Alas, the voice of reason raises its head once more. Don't you realize that we now live in the age of stupidity? :)

Finn,

Without mutual respect there is no dialogue, so reading this is pointless. Do yourself a favor and don't waste your time reading mine.

For the record, I already laidout a detailed analysis of why I defend the defender, including when it is Israel. Also, for the record, the only thing that will get more jews killed is war. Not peace with Palestine.

Also, your insults to me, my intelligence, and your acclaimed facts of your invented fantasy world do not offend me, as I said, I'm almost impossible to offend. You have, however, succeeded.

My father's entire extended family was murdered in the holocaust. They were rounded up by the Nazis, and killed in a variety of unpleasant ways. Some were jews, and some were not, my ancestry as I said is largely celt, but my father had had only surviving family on the czech-german side. My father was alive at the time, and still is, and is alone in his family because of it.

The added insult is that you have indicated that you are in no way connected to the holocaust, but a military strategist who wished to use Israel for military gain. This is despicable.

My father and his mother, being not jewish, could flee, and were sent to America. Those who remained did so because either they were jewish, or because they had committed themselves to fight fascism from the German govt. in which they served, and fight it they did to the bitter end, until their entire families down to the last remaining infant were killed.

And, for those who care, when it came to rounding people up and putting them in camps, the Nazis did not care who was jewish and who was not. But don't take my word for it, ask any Serb, or Gypsy for that matter, since Gypsies are also aryans. No, all that mattered was that you were in the way.

Oh, and what do I see in the people of Gaza? Do I see an imminent threat to the people of the world both jewish and non? No. I see that they are in the way. And do I think that the jewish people of the world are behind this push? No, I don't have to guess, I know the answer to this, every poll states it. Not even the people of Israel are behind it. This attack plan was put together by military minds safe back in the US, often pretending to be in Jerusalem, but sometimes there or in Tel Aviv.

I hate to pull the holocaust card, which is why I haven't done so until now, but you force my hand. I was trying to give you ample opportunity to tell me in what way you were not in the position of being an unmitigated bigot and anti-semite. Now I have my answer. All the semites on the front lines, let 'em kill each other? that's pretty much the plan then?

BTW, I'm capable of seeing outside of exact repetitions to analogous and parallel situations. I'm not surprised someone who is not can also not apply firefly logic to the situation, as in Reavers, Alliance, and Blue Sun.

Rue, I think the word's you're looking for are "Final Solution."

And yes, I think Finn is jonesing for one. Actually, I think he might just have found one to do in both sides.

RUE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:25 AM

'Rue, I think the words you're looking for are "Final Solution."'

Yes, those were the words.

I would still like to see a reporter ask the question, b/c it does seem like it's Israel's intent.

In general, after many studies, some researchers have determined that the only way to get lasting peace between two warring parties is when both sides conclude they cannot win.

Obviously Israel thinks it can win, and as for the Palestinians, since they are overmatched and bound to lose, they have nothing to lose by fighting.

Israel used to have a policy of 10 for 1, apparently it's moved up to 300 or 400 (or more) for 1. If your 'enemy' (the Palestinians) thinks you will kill them anyway, why NOT fight ? Combine both those approaches and you get extermination.

Should Israel lose US support, the equation would change. Israel would suddenly realize it's a very small country surrounded by a sea of Muslim countries. Who knew ? It might start trying to live with its neighbors rather than pound them into the dust, assuming, of course, its neighbors would be willing to let bygones be bygones. Or maybe they would settle for 1000 for 1.

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KWICKO

Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:54 AM

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I did answer it. I think that’s your real problem. Where are the rogue factions bombing Canada? Or Mexico?

Have you been anywhere near the Texas/Mexico border lately? There's murder aplenty on both sides of the border, and it's escalating. This is due to drug wars, which we supposed are keeping under control and in check.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:57 AM

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Hamas hides in homes and apartment buildings, and Israel has no choice BUT to shoot there.

Ergo, they ARE targeting innocent civilians. They're launching attacks with full knowledge that innocent civilians are going to die.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:00 AM

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You aim a bow and arrow at my wife or children's head, I don't give a fuck how far away you are, I'm gonna come back at you with a machine gun. I have EVERY right...

Actually, in this hypothetical, you don't. The above act would make YOU the felon in this instance. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:10 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Hamas hides in homes and apartment buildings, and Israel has no choice BUT to shoot there.

Ergo, they ARE targeting innocent civilians. They're launching attacks with full knowledge that innocent civilians are going to die.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

The civilians are going to die anyways. If they run, the Pals will kill them. If they don't, then the Pals can continue raining rockets on Israeli positions. In a time of war, the hard, cold choice has to be made, regardless. There is NO 'targeting ' of civilians by the Israelis, despite your juggling of the situation.

( dunno why you posted another reply, butI'll answer anways )

The bow/arrow scenario , as you understand, was merely to show that the level of disparity in weapons between Hamas and Israel has been used, by some, as some sort of an 'excuse' for why Israel should be held accountable, and Hamas should not. Pure B.S.. Even with far inferior armament, Hamas is targeting women,children, civilian parts of town, KNOWING DAMN WELL THERE ARE NO Israeli uniformed soliders or equipment in those areas. THAT IS BLATENT TERRORISM. There's no way around it, andt there is absolutely ZERO Quid Pro Quo , despite some claims, goin on here when Israel fires back.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:12 AM

"If they run, the Pals will kill them."

Really ? Is this another one of your endless stream of 'facts' ?

PS - seeing as you don't know this - the rockets being launched into Israel are extremely primitive (no guidance or steering systems) and are probably not good to more than +/- 25 miles in any direction. It's hard to say they are 'targeting' anyone. Further, they are non-explosive. And finally, HOW many Israelis have been killed by these rockets ? 300 ? 400 ? Maybe 5 ? Do you even know ?

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:26 AM

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RUE

In general, after many studies, some researchers have determined that the only way to get lasting peace between two warring parties is when both sides conclude they cannot win.

Obviously Israel thinks it can win, and as for the Palestinians, since they are overmatched and bound to lose, they have nothing to lose by fighting.

That pretty much sums it up. Of course, the positioning of Israel was only partly religious. Britain wanted a beachhead colony in the area, and after WWII, we took over. There were issues that no one in the west was taking jews, and they failed to look into random options like Africa.

There is a weird historical superstition in the hierarchy of zionism, though. The name of course comes from Mt. Zion, the place to which the original followers of Jehovah came from Sinai, which was their original local. Jewish and Christian prophesy calls for the final battle to be at a third mountain, Har Megiddo, aka Armageddon. More battles have taken place at Armageddon than anywhere else, largely this is coincidence, because the middle east has always been hotly contested territory.

Note the amount of military action in Israel around these three mountains, though:

The territory claimed by the extension of the border and building of the fence was largely Meggido and the surrounding area, not much else was claimed. Also, there have been countless attempts to recapture Zion itself, and the whole of Jerusalem, Historically, Jerusalem, to the best of my knowledge, and I've done a ton of research, was never the capital of Israel. The ancient capital of Israel was where Tel Aviv now stands. There really isn't credible evidence that they ever controlled Gaza. Much of the imperial ambitions come from a document called the United Kingdom of David, which surfaced around 400BC and was proven to be a forgery by the Talmudic scholars around 200BC.

And, of course, most notably, one extremely notable attempt of Israel to recapture Sinai itself. According to the original mythos, Jehovah lived in Sinai itself. The idea that he lived in the sky came from Elohim, which was the rival faith of Israel. Notice it's is ra el, and not israyhwh. Literally, "To serve God" but that god being El, of Elohim, from Ellil, from the Assyrian Enlil.

This is why I miss Antimason, he was the person on this forum I could actually have discussions like this with. I don't know if anyone else has studied this stuff. Of course, this whole subject causes problems in Israel, because the Zionists want to move the capital to Jerusalem, the traditional capital of Judah, and if you've read the old testament, and the treatment of the people of Israel by the kings of Judah, then you can kind of get where this is an issue.

I had the Knesset confused with the religious courts, Finn was right about that. I had just read an article about them. I'm not up on the internal politics of Israel, just what I hear from jewish people over here. I'm not up on politics of Palestine. I know that they had democratic elections and Hamas won. They would not have won if Israel had taken a more peaceful stance at the time. Hamas had a pretty low approval rating before the aggressive jewish settlement programs, another pet peeve of many jews: Poor jews are encouraged to immigrate to Israel, then given small city apts. There is a homesteading act where they can resettle to Palestinian territories, and so many opt to do so, much like the Irish in Indian lands here. But, probably then as now, these people are really being put on the front lines and probably considered expendable by the govt. Then, if they get attacked, it's makes for an incident to spark a military offensive.

I have no idea what Finn's stake in this is, and at this point I officially don't care.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:38 AM

Auraptor,

Finn blew his chance, but I'm offering you a chance to retract this remark

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diaper heads

It's extremely reminiscent of the term sh*tskin which appears on the Nazi forums to refer to blacks. Please, be polite and call them "sand n*ggers" if that's how you feel.

You've been reasonable since I've come back, and so I was somewhat taken aback by this sort of what I'd call "genocidally racist rhetoric." If you want to reword that and argue for a more logical position, I'm willing to listen.

(I'm skipping Finn's posts from now on. He's a well educated bigot, but still a total waste of my time.)

On the other issue "Hamas" used to target Israeli civilians, this is true. Presently, I think random palestinians do, but the govt. does not. They're not suicidal, and like the Israelis, they think the Israelis will win in a war, so they want peace.

If Israel wins this war it is going to be devastating for Israel. It could lead us into a WWIII. maybe this is why MIC types are jonesing for it. Bigger contracts. Big old stupid greed. Let me know if I'm wrong.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 4, 2009 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"If they run, the Pals will kill them."

Really ? Is this another one of your endless stream of 'facts' ?

PS - seeing as you don't know this - the rockets being launched into Israel are extremely primitive (no guidance or steering systems) and are probably not good to more than +/- 25 miles in any direction. It's hard to say they are 'targeting' anyone. Further, they are non-explosive. And finally, HOW many Israelis have been killed by these rockets ? 300 ? 400 ? Maybe 5 ? Do you even know ?

Silence is consent.

Doesn't matter how primitive the rockets, they're filled w/ buckshot ( shrapnel ) and intended to kill, maime. It's not hard to say they're targeting anyone, for why the HELL ELSE ARE THEY BEING FIRED ?? Seriously, the excuses you folks come up with...astounds me.

Doesn't matter how many have been killed. If Hamas shoots 1000 rockets and kills 1, they intended to kill that 1 and many , many more. It's what I was saying above, the intent, and not the success rate is the issue here. In war, there can be no allowances for your enemey if they're poor shots, or don't have state of the art weapons. Their intent is what is at issue, not their accuracy.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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