Israel about to get its ass kicked
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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 04:47
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Quote:Actually I find your whole position amusing. You talk a lot, but you’re just bullshitting. You don’t understand anything about what you’re talking about. It’s just bullshit after bullshit. You’re a joke. You’re an apologist for every ruthless regime in the Middle East, and anti-Israeli to boot. Just a small selection of your wisdom:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Finn,
Or I know more about it than you do. I'm afraid that despite an effort to be personable, I have to call it how I see it.
You are an oxymoron.
You said it yourself, that you were military intelligence. Now I know why we're f^&king everything up. Finn is our brains.
Time to fire Finn and hire someone who actually understands the situation.
Iran is universally accepted to be the world's most educated nation. Bullshit.
In israel, the Knesset is neither elected nor impeachable. Bullshit.
Iran has not invaded anyone in 2500 years. Bullshit.
In Israel, there are no muslims allowed to serve in (sic)parliament. Bullshit.
You apologies for Iran. You apologize for Hamas. You apologize for Hezbollah. You’re either hopelessly dumb or you want to see Jews murdered. Those are only two reasons for the positions you take on this issue.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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Quote:They’ve worked very well within in reason. But Hamas actively tries to create as much civilian bloodshed as possible by embedding its military infrastructure and soldiers within civilian populations, which is a pretty serious violation of Geneva Conventions. That’s not Israel's fault. The IDF targets Hamas military infrastructure and soldiers. They don’t target civilians. Hamas, by the way, does. People want to blame Israel for this, but I have yet to hear a cogent argument for why this is Israel’s fault.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sorry, I should have clarified that I brought up carpetbombing as an illustrative device, an exaggeration to make a point. Believe it or not, I *am* aware that Israel didn't send massive numbers of B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters, and Wellingtons to drop 500-pound bombs on Gaza. Neither did they use the more-modern (but still 50 years old) B-52.
Their use of "precision" guided weapons really hasn't worked out as well as they'd hoped, though - unless it's your contention that they intentionally targeted civilian areas with them.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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"... by embedding its (Hamas') military infrastructure and soldiers within civilian populations ..."
1) Hamas may not be at work, there may be individuals not under its control.
2) The Gaza strip has a population of 1,482,405 (2007) in 360 sq miles. It would be hard to find a place NOT densely populated with civilians.
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Quote:Hamas is directly responsible for a great deal of it. And Hamas is responsible for much of the fanaticism within the Palestinian territories. They have fostered that fanaticism through terror and propaganda. They’ve even promoted children’s television shows that teach hatred of Jews. Hamas is responsible. But even if you take the Dreamtrove approach and assume that Hamas is composed of warm fuzzy bunnies – if you assume they’re not responsible – that means that the government (Hamas) is not in control of the population. Therefore, the Gaza strip is an anarchy. Either way, it has to be controlled. If Hamas won’t do it, then Israel has to. And the longer this situation remains in limbo relying on humorous Hamas ceasefires, the more will die in the long run.
Originally posted by rue:
"... by embedding its (Hamas') military infrastructure and soldiers within civilian populations ..."
1) Hamas may not be at work, there may be individuals not under its control.
2) The Gaza strip has a population of 1,482,405 (2007) in 360 sq miles. It would be hard to find a place NOT densely populated with civilians.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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People want to blame Israel for this, but I have yet to hear a cogent argument for why this is Israel’s fault.
You won't get one from me.
Israel played no part in launching the rockets into Israel initially. What they HAVE done is to go over the top with a non-proportional response, specifically targeting civilian areas.
Where Israel screwed up was in taking the bait. As DT made the comparison earlier, let's apply it a bit more here. Suppose you have a bunch of Crips hiding weapons and explosives (and maybe a meth lab or two) in a civilian-occupied apartment building. Is your best solution to simply blow it up, denying the Crips the use of the stuff inside while also killing an awful lot of people who might have had an idea what was up, but were in no way actively involved with the gang? Or would you seek to dismantle the leadership, create disorder in the gang, and then attempt to neutralize the weapons cache with less-violent means?
Look back up above, where I said that I thought they were on the right track when they started targeting Hamas leadership and taking them out. I have no real problem with that strategy. If Hamas won't keep its people in check, Israel will target the leaders of Hamas. Maybe the next guy in charge of Hamas will have more luck, or will listen better.
When you get to a point in a situation where your best-case scenario is to just say "kill everyone in the area", then you've already made some big, big mistakes before you ever got there.
It's a shit situation with no easy answers. And it's been that way for a long, long time.
If Hamas and the Palestinians were truly smart, they would come to the border with Israel in nothing but their underwear and just stand there. No violence. No bombs, no rockets. No weapons of any kind. Then we'd see what Israel's reaction would be. If they do nothing and leave the Palestinians alone, the Palestinians win an important victory, if only a moral one. If the Israelis massacre them, they show the world their true colors. If radical muslims want to be martyred for their cause, this would be their perfect chance, in full view of the world. They can make their case non-violently, or they can continue on with more of the same. Historically, which has a better chance of making a dent?
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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"... that means that the government (Hamas) is not in control of the population ..."
As the US government is not in control of ITS population - not all of it.
Do you support a foreign occupier for the US on that basis ?
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...by embedding its military infrastructure and soldiers within civilian populations, which is a pretty serious violation of Geneva Conventions.
Just by way of clarification, what do the Geneva Conventions have to say about specific targeting of known civilian areas and the use of bombs in those areas?
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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"kill everyone in the area"
I keep waiting for a reporter to ask Israeli officals if they're looking for a permanent solution.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Their strategy seems to be kill 500 women and kids for every Hamas leader killed. Where are their precision drone plane killers like we have? Or elite commando units?, or in-country assassination teams? This pending ground invasion is reminiscent of the razings of all the Polish ghettos during WWII. And then what kind of bloody, deadly and disgusting mess is going to be left there? Compared to what the Nazis did to Jews in WWII, a few rockets fired into their country that kill almost no Israelis seems like a tea party, and a very weak case to make to become what their former tormentors were to them. They should have done more to avoid or lessen this possibly politically-motivated aggression.
Why do you hold the Israelis to such a ridiculous standard. I suspect it's because you've never had missiles rain down on your neighborhood randomly. This isn't a war movie were a couple of commandos can go in and save the day. This in an entrenched terrorist group supported and enabled by the populace. Other than the children, there are no completely innocent victims. No country can win a war if they let the enemy set the terms of battle. The Palestinians have chosen to support the terrorists and therefore chosen to suffer the consequences. You seem to have forgotten that the purpose of this war is to stop the missiles for the long term not to exchange casualties with the enemy on their terms.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
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"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
I keep waiting for a reporter to ask Israeli officals if they're looking for a permanent solution.
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