Israel about to get its ass kicked

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PIRATENEWS

Saturday, January 3, 2009 4:52 AM

Hamas plans to defeat Israeli force with epic "last stand" at Gaza City
www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5815

Remember Lebannon? Those anti-tank missles kill 100% at short range.

Israeli defence chief resigns over Lebanon invasion Debacle
www.greenleft.org.au/2007/695/36098

That explains why the Israeli air force is doing all the work, since the Israeli infantry is terrified.

I hopa Gaza massacres all Israeli soldiers. Good riddance.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:16 AM

I doubt it will play that way

Here's why :
The first fight was a different story

Lebanon Hezbollah terrorist cells are North of Israel and not far from the former USSR states. Now Lebanon is a bit of a backwards shit hole but next to Lebanon is Syria a nation which was recently buying up as many of the Ruskies Kornet AT14 anti-tank systems as they can afford.

It was one of those high tech russian bazookas that engages and destroys all tanks 90% of the time. Russia didn't exactly give the terrorists weapons but they did sell weapons to a country that has sympathies with terrorists and I think maybe after all the Ukraine/Georgia shit Russia was only to happy to annoy us once again. AKA West vs Russia.

The second fight for Israel is different
Geography 101, the region is South.

Gaza has been an occupied hell hole for many years, the Israelis have been in and out there many times the IDF know how this one plays out. The Palestinians in Gaza are deprived, uneducated and fight with a bunch of rocks and suicide bombers vests. Their rockets are so ugly and inaccurate I hear one of the Palestine rockets fired from Gaze missed the Jews completely and landed and killed Palestinians in the West Bank. The Hezzies in Lebanon had a home turf advantage and could smuggle Russian tech from the North but Gaza is South what can they smuggle? NOTHING but Sand that's all they will smuggle
Even if Egypt wanted to support them it could not, Egypt now uses equipment from the United States and British equipment and would never allow its precious military gifts madeintheUSA be smuggled.

Palestinians have nothing to back them up, they only have an angry bunch of religious lunatics chanting Allah bla bla...Death to Israel and chucking some more rocks.

Israeli right wingers are A-holes I'm no fan of them but nobody can deny Israel has a well trained, highly educated military supported by the most high tech toys the United States has to offer. This fight due South is a no-contest

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 3, 2009 1:58 PM

I'd put my $$ on US backed armor against the diaper heads, every damn day of the week and twice on Sunday.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

WHOZIT

Saturday, January 3, 2009 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'd put my $$ on US backed armor against the diaper heads, every damn day of the week and twice on Sunday.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DITTO!

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

RIVERLOVE

Saturday, January 3, 2009 4:20 PM

Whether Israel wins or loses, they lose. They lose on a multitude of levels. Besides, there's nothing to win. I recognize their absolute right to stop rockets and missiles from flying into their country, but once again I feel they have screwed up the response royally, just like they did against Hezbollah two years ago.

WHOZIT

Saturday, January 3, 2009 4:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Whether Israel wins or loses, they lose. They lose on a multitude of levels. Besides, there's nothing to win. I recognize their absolute right to stop rockets and missiles from flying into their country, but once again I feel they have screwed up the response royally, just like they did against Hezbollah two tears ago.

You may be rite, read this; http://www.nypost.com/seven/01012009/news/columnists/bam_stirs_fears_i
n_israel_146762.htm

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:21 PM

I'm about to find myself in strange company that includes Whozit.

Israel will win.

There's a story that didn't get a lot of coverage over here.

Israel was intending to clusterbomb Lebanon. The US convinced the Israelis to use our new and improved clusterbombs. These are ones we used in Iraq.

The old model scatters WWII "Katies" over a wide area. The new one scatters small land mines. In Iraq, the pentagon stated that a certain number of IED attacks were actually our guys driving over own unexploded cluster munitions. When asked for a number, they said "could be as high as 95%."

This picture makes perfect sense. Watch a video of a desert crawler thrown thirty feet into the air, or a Hummer reduced to scrap metal, and you realize that a homemade pipe bomb probably didn't do that.

We did the same thing in Serbia, but we never sent in our troops to hit them.

Well, Israel was unaware that 50% of these bombs would not explode on contact, and that this would mean that S. Lebanon would be littered with landmines. So, they bombed, and then rolled in, and ran over the mines they had just scattered. It was an own goal. This was widely viewed as a victory for Hamas and Hezbollah, but Israel didn't turn on them for blame, they turned on us. They were furious that they had just send their own guys into a minefield, because their original plan probably would have worked.

They won't make the mistake again, and Gaza has no friendly borders or allies, and no defense. Gaza will get owned. It would be better for them to surrender post haste, and then consider relocating. The problem is that people are very attached to land, and they are too reliant on other people for help. They'll flee somewhere and ask for refuge, when they should go set up their own colony somewhere else. They should look over at the jews and say "Huh, that worked, let's organize like that, and displace someone else" Israel's mistake, long term, IMHO, was to pick a piece of land for religious reasons that was heaily populated. Most of the earth is not. They could easily set up in the are at a less densely populated area if they didn't want to live under Israeli rule.

I would urge people not to be racist in their positions. I mean, stop and think of how others are likely to view some of the terms used. I'm not talking about muslims and muslim sympathizers, but just regular folk.

Here's an easy way to self analyze how this might be perceived: Take your text and replace it mentally with another ethnic group or country.

For instance, try the target ethnic group and consider our conflicts in Somalia. Now consider how it would read if you said "we should've kicked those n*ggers asses." Or, take the reverse position and say "Given the superior soviet weaponry, it's easy to see why k*ke-istan was defeated." Here's another, "We would've beaten the g**ks if the ch*nks weren't arming them." None of these are acceptable.

In that vein, you're sure to eventually offend everyone. If you want to win your point, that's not the best tactical move.

Don't assume that the same language towards muslims will ever be any more acceptable than the epithets I quoted above.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Whether Israel wins or loses, they lose. They lose on a multitude of levels. Besides, there's nothing to win. I recognize their absolute right to stop rockets and missiles from flying into their country, but once again I feel they have screwed up the response royally, just like they did against Hezbollah two years ago.

This isn't S. Lebanon and Hezbollah. It's a different scenario, though similar tactics are being used by Hamas. The Jews know Gaza, for starters. They know the terrain, the area, having lived there, only a few yrs ago.

But what would you have Israel do, as rockets rain down on your country , day after day ? How have they " screwed up the response " ?? This, I'd like to know.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

WHOZIT

Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'm about to find myself in strange company that includes Whozit.

Israel will win.

There's a story that didn't get a lot of coverage over here.

Israel was intending to clusterbomb Lebanon. The US convinced the Israelis to use our new and improved clusterbombs. These are ones we used in Iraq.

The old model scatters WWII "Katies" over a wide area. The new one scatters small land mines. In Iraq, the pentagon stated that a certain number of IED attacks were actually our guys driving over own unexploded cluster munitions. When asked for a number, they said "could be as high as 95%."

This picture makes perfect sense. Watch a video of a desert crawler thrown thirty feet into the air, or a Hummer reduced to scrap metal, and you realize that a homemade pipe bomb probably didn't do that.

We did the same thing in Serbia, but we never sent in our troops to hit them.

Well, Israel was unaware that 50% of these bombs would not explode on contact, and that this would mean that S. Lebanon would be littered with landmines. So, they bombed, and then rolled in, and ran over the mines they had just scattered. It was an own goal. This was widely viewed as a victory for Hamas and Hezbollah, but Israel didn't turn on them for blame, they turned on us. They were furious that they had just send their own guys into a minefield, because their original plan probably would have worked.

They won't make the mistake again, and Gaza has no friendly borders or allies, and no defense. Gaza will get owned. It would be better for them to surrender post haste, and then consider relocating. The problem is that people are very attached to land, and they are too reliant on other people for help. They'll flee somewhere and ask for refuge, when they should go set up their own colony somewhere else. They should look over at the jews and say "Huh, that worked, let's organize like that, and displace someone else" Israel's mistake, long term, IMHO, was to pick a piece of land for religious reasons that was heaily populated. Most of the earth is not. They could easily set up in the are at a less densely populated area if they didn't want to live under Israeli rule.

I would urge people not to be racist in their positions. I mean, stop and think of how others are likely to view some of the terms used. I'm not talking about muslims and muslim sympathizers, but just regular folk.

Here's an easy way to self analyze how this might be perceived: Take your text and replace it mentally with another ethnic group or country.

For instance, try the target ethnic group and consider our conflicts in Somalia. Not consider how it would read if you said "we should've kicked those n*ggers asses." Or, take the reverse position and say "Given the superior soviet weaponry, it's easy to see why k*ke-istan was defeated." Here's another, "We would've beaten the g**ks if the ch*nks weren't arming them."

In that vein, you're sure to eventually offend everyone. If you want to win your point, that's not the best tactical move.

Welcome to the dark side

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 3, 2009 7:20 PM

Auraptor,

Consider first that most everyone on this forum is very well informed on most issues. Enough so as not to know to be leery of MSM.

That said, okay, let's look at this objectively:

Assume for starters that we can ignore MSM and everything it says. That's safe.

Next, assume that Hamas is trying to act in its own best interests. This is obvious. If they launch rockets, it's a feeble quixotic counterattack, but mostly, they plea for a ceasefire.

So, why is Israel getting bombed? Because they're killing Palestinians relentlessly and have been for 60 years.

Why don't they get bombed more? Because the balance of bombs is not even. Because of Hamas knows this, they don't support bombing if there is a peaceful option.

But put yourself in their shoes. Recently I had an argument with people here who were ready to pick up their handguns to defend against the NWO. That's hopelessly quixotic. But, if you have no other option, that's what you might do. Gaza, at the moment, has no other option. Israel has refused a ceasefire repeatedly, because they think they can win this war and own Gaza.

What would I have Israel do?

1. Agree to a ceasefire. Will this stop the bombings? No. Because there are random muslims with bombs.

2. Tell Hamas to reign in those random muslims with bombs. Hamas will respond with "We can't" which is true. They don't have anywhere near the level of control over their own people that Israel has. Perhaps this has something to do with being occupied, and not having a superpower backer, but we'll leave that lie for the moment.

3. Israel should then respond with, we'll help you. And then not invade, but send Israeli soldiers who could maintain control over all the Israeli military equipment, while assisting Hamas in restoring order.

This isn't about trust. You don't have to trust Hamas. This is about evolution. You can trust Hamas to act in the interests of its own survival. If you trusted Hamas, you would give them the tools necessary to defeat their rogue elements. But you can assist them without ever trusting them.

Hamas is aware that it is likely to lose this war. The paestinians are not some lunatic virgin craving suicide society, they are people on the total edge of desperation. The are outgunned 1000 to one or more. Their opponent has not only US backing, but nukes, fighter and bomber planes, surface to air, surface to surface, anti aircraft, anti-missile. etc.

The Israeli govt. is behaving the way it is because it's unaccountable, and sees no repercussions. But they also have to realize that this is not going to stop unless they exterminate the 6 million remaining Palestinians, once they have secured the whole territory. In fact, it's probably worse for Israel to have these people inside of the borders of Israel than out.

The comparisons between WWII Germany and present day Israel are made daily, and often by jews. Anecdotally, that's where I hear it from. If they want to truly secure that parallel in peoples minds forever, exterminating 6 million semites would be a surefire way to do it.

Achieving peace with ones neighbors is not about invading and securing breathing room. Israel is operating under the principle of "Because we can" and as long as the US says nothing, they can probably get away with it. But this is tremendously harmful to Israel in the long run.

Consider another re-colonization effort: Sierra Leone. Sierra Leone has probably now permanently sacrificed any chance of being the world's voice for disenfranchised blacks. Instead, they've cemented their reputation as the world's #1 reaver state.

Currenly, less than 15% of American jews fully support Israel. That's terrible, from their perspective. Why so little jewish support? I think this one is equally obvious: All humans are operating in self interest. While having a homeland state is excellent protection against persecution (What the Tutsis wouldn't have given for a distant homeland state they could have fled to.) It's not as important as image. Israel is making jews look bad. It's

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