IT ISN'T SAFE -- For THEM
POSTED BY: out2theblack
UPDATED: Friday, January 2, 2009 08:38
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Originally posted by Hero:
I looked at the guy's map. Alaska reverts to the Russians, Texas falls into Mexico's sphere of influence, Canada dominates the northern states, New England and Virginia happily joining into a new nation...yeah.
If the US broke up it would be along political not regional lines. I doubt there's a scenario that breaks up the US and still keeps red and blue states together.
And it would only be for a while...just long enough for Texas to lead a Red State Army to wipe out the liberals once and for all. Most of the military bases, manufacturing, and energy production are located in the Red States...not to mention domestic firearm ownership. All the Blue States have are screaming hordes of college professors, out of work union members, welfare cheats, and lesbians all led by Ted Kennedy, nothing a couple Southerners with a machine gun can't handle.
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Political lines? Huh? All the cities would link together to form a union of their choice? There is no state which has a majority of voting wards voting the same way as the cities. Only the concentration of the cities overcomes the voting profile of the majority of the wards.
Once the new nation of cities has to start paying for all their services, and they collapse, they will have collapsed and the country will have righted itself.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
o2tb
in the spirit of a new year, forgeting old disputes, we may disagree on this: I don't think the revolution that will win will do so with guns.
But I agree, if Ron Paul would have won, I would have voted for him. I was going to write him in until he told me not to.
The debt will fall on the dollar, through devaluation, and to anyone holding the dollar.
We need our own media, our own currency, and we need to do it without meeting the power face to face, because they outgun us, but they do not outnumber us.
I'd rather that none of it ever came to guns...
If there are never any weapons at all in play , that would be just fine by me...But , one has to be realistic...If even the people never picked up so much as a pitchfork , TPTB would still seek to employ their notion of 'superior force'...
See , we're not disagreeing on any particular point...
The currency thing is already being worked out , in many places , and there will be more means of exchange in the future , that doesn't involve FedNotes...
Celente notes that local markets and small enterprises with useful services will still work...
The media thing is being worked out , also...
Not a lot of coin is required for startup costs , and if any folk would like to help fund a non-MSM news source , best check out the project at 'restore the republic'...It'll work for a time , maybe even until 'after the pulse'.
I've been asked to join a local under-the-radar news project myself , and I may do it , but there are some details being worked out on that as well...
A fellow with national magazine publishing experience also has indicated a desire to get another print-media newsmagazine project underway , and I'm looking into that possibility too , but with all due diligence...
Thanks to ALL who are contributing to this conversation , keep the thread going , keep the fires burning and the fans a-turning ;
I may be beyond the reach of the signal for just a couple or three days...
See you when I get back...
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Quote:Ah yes. Brewing has a long and wonderful history!
tonight were gonna party like its 1699
BTW- if you want to make it through the coming bad times, and if you think it's REALLY going to get bad might want to look into brewing. Alcohol is always in demand!
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Just so I know... 
... after you guys get rid of TPTB and become the New! TPTB, what will be different? Besides more home brew...
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TPTB would still seek to employ their notion of 'superior force'
Seek is not the same as find. TPTB are pretty simpleminded. They see past guns, but they don't see everything.
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See , we're not disagreeing on any particular point...
Glad to hear it. Let's make a new years resolution to throw no mud then. Afterall, we won't be much use against TPTB.
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The currency thing is already being worked out , in many places , and there will be more means of exchange in the future , that doesn't involve FedNotes
True, not to my satisfaction, but as a short term matter. Longer term I think that there needs to be something else. All the solutions I have seen can either be cornered, like gold, or they can be devalued to zero, like stocks bonds and currencies.
If I seem unrealistic, it's usually that I'm looking too far ahead. Ron Paul had a good suggestion in a composite non-limited commodity backed currency, but I'm looking for something more.
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Celente
Sure. The issue with currency is that TPTB have a lot of capital, and any system that they can change their extant persistant capital into they will be able to take over.
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The media thing is being worked out , also
Not without effort. The information revolution is going to be a battle to keep the new media out of the hands of the old media, and keep truth alive.
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non-MSM news source...It'll work for a time, maybe even until 'after the pulse'.
Yes, this is the sort of thing, these are springing up all over the place. The key is to be careful, and be organized. We need to be six steps ahead of our opponents. It's a typical necessity of a good chess game.
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Pizmo:
The change will be that Firefly will be renewed for another season.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pizmo:
The change will be that Firefly will be renewed for another season.
Hilarious
- thx for the shiny bobble! *bobbles it, goes down a sewer grating* 
You civil war dudes see that ABC has a show coming up this Tuesday about Homeland Security Heroes?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081223/ap_en_tv/tv_homeland_security
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Lol.
Learn to love your huggable secret police, it's like stormtroopers you can believe in.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Ah yes. Brewing has a long and wonderful history!
tonight were gonna party like its 1699
BTW- if you want to make it through the coming bad times, and if you think it's REALLY going to get bad might want to look into brewing. Alcohol is always in demand!
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Let's party like its 1929.
I'll drink to that !
Been there , dunnit , doing it...
Also into 'alternative' fuels...Useful skill...
In the place of gasoline , it's possible to make do with ethanol :
in the place of conventional diesel , there's biodiesel or even SVO...
Biodiesel is quicker and simpler than the ethanol ,
and somewhat less subject to scrutiny by the reven00-ers...
There was a fellow on a small , self-sufficient
farmstead upstate that had the
capability to produce a
substantial amount of ethanol ,
even had the Fed permits all in order ,
but the local yokels were the ones
trying to stand in the man's way...
Hydrogen power is not far out , either...
I know the case of a Midwestern farmer ,
with a solid 8th-grade education , from when that actually meant something ;
He set up a hydrogen-making facility
on his place...
First he had a windmill pump some water
up into a tank , then he had another
windmill making some electricity , to perform the electrolysis of the water...
He had a separator to gather the hydrogen off the top of the process , and ran a
compressor off some of the
surplus juice from his
windmill/battery source...
So he made a tank for the compressed hydrogen , which he used to heat his home ,
and cook with...Plus , he ran his
Ford pickup on hydrogen .
He'd use a little gasoline
to start the truck , get it warmed up ,
then he'd throw a valve and start
feeding 'er the fusion-gas...
Funny thing is , this guy has never bought electricity in his life...His parents
refused to hook up when the REA came
through ; figured they had never needed electricity before ,
so why buy something they'd never needed ?
He hooked up a meter once he got his system perfected , and the meter runs backward ,
so that the power company
knows how large to make the check
that they have to send him...
I also know of a small-scale farmer in California who created a
methane-generator that runs on
chicken sh!+ , and he gets similar
results on his farmstead , and has been doing this about 40 years now...
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
You civil war dudes see that ABC has a show coming up this Tuesday about Homeland Security Heroes?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081223/ap_en_tv/tv_homeland_security
MSM propaganda from TPTB...
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