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IT ISN'T SAFE -- For THEM

POSTED BY: out2theblack
UPDATED: Friday, January 2, 2009 08:38
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Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:39 PM

[Kent Brockman voice] I for one WELCOME our new alien overlords! [/Kent Brockman voice]

I couldn't resist.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:52 AM

EVILCHRIST

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China will own Taiwan once again


In order to own Taiwan again, they would have had to have owned it at some point during the past. China has occupied Taiwan twice, briefly, during war time. It's ownership of Taiwan is less solid than Germany's ownership of Poland.

But I know a lot of Chinese people, and I read. Taiwan is already taking over the Chinese economy. They own 40% of China last time I checked. The guy was right, it's a disaster for Beijing, they should have left well enough alone. Now what I hear is it will lead to the collapse of the Chinese govt, something which I think we can all salute.

This isn't about military might, it never was. It's about economics.

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:54 AM

EVILCHRIST

Quote:

China will own Taiwan once again


In order to own Taiwan again, they would have had to have owned it at some point during the past. China has occupied Taiwan twice, briefly, during war time. It's ownership of Taiwan is less solid than Germany's ownership of Poland.

But I know a lot of Chinese people, and I read. Taiwan is already taking over the Chinese economy. They own 40% of China last time I checked. The guy was right, it's a disaster for Beijing, they should have left well enough alone. Now what I hear is it will lead to the collapse of the Chinese govt, something which I think we can all salute.

This isn't about military might, it never was. It's about economics.

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:07 AM

.....and so it begins!

Tawabawho?

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:55 AM

I've noted before , I get torrents of economics news in my inbox every day...This came in today :


“What an awful year. And 2009 doesn’t look like it’s going to be any better.”
Our neighbor, Pierre, was describing the state of the agricultural industry in Europe...and, indirectly, why he couldn’t pay the rent. He leases some land from us at a price of about $150 per acre. He’s now far behind on his rent payments. Elizabeth had asked for a meeting to try to collect. Your editor sat off to the side, listening.

“Of course, I’d like to pay,” Pierre explained. “And I’m sorry I’m so far behind. But this is just a terrible time for us. I have to feed the cows. That’s the first priority. I have to feed them...and buy medicines and fertilizers...even though nobody is buying them. The meter turns over pretty fast – even though I’m not going anywhere. I’m not a meat producer. I’m a breeder. We’ve been breeding Limousine cattle here for more than a hundred years. These cows can trace their ancestry better than most people. But when farm prices fall, people stop investing in the quality of their herds.

“Normally, I sell about 20 top breeding bulls per year. This year, I’ve sold 5. There are many people who want to buy, but they don’t have any money. They don’t have any money because they can’t get good prices for their cows...and can’t get credit from the bank. So they don’t buy my bulls...so I can’t pay you.”

“Well, the publishing business is no picnic either,” Elizabeth replied. “Your customers don’t have any money...you don’t have any money...and now I don’t have any money either,” she added with a laugh.

We wondered how many conversations like this were taking place all over the world. The world’s money machine has broken down.
Yesterday, the Dow fell 31 points. Oil rose to $40. The dollar held steady at $1.40 to the euro. Gold rose $4 – giving it a nice gain of about 6% for the year.

Everything else is losing money. This will go down in history as the worst year for investors of all time. Oil, copper, and most financial stocks are down 2/3 from their highs. Stock markets generally are down 40% to 60% all over the world. Housing markets are down in most places too – with prices in Britain and America off about 20%.

Bloomberg reports that holiday sales were so bad it will “force store closings, bankruptcies.”
And USA Today reports that global trade is expected to shrink by 2% in ‘09, after rising at nearly 10% per year for the last decade. Smoot? Hawley? Who needs those knuckleheads? Global trade is collapsing without trade barriers.

Because Americans aren’t buying.
And here, we can trace the breakdown in the entire world money machine...from the pistons that don’t fire to the crankshaft that doesn’t turn. Like the farming business in France, one man doesn’t have any money...so the next man is a little short...and so on all up and down the line.

And here, for the benefit of new readers, we offer a simple schema of the machinery of the Bubble Epoch: Americans bought stuff from the Chinese. The Chinese printed up yuan to buy dollars from Chinese merchants. Then, the nice Chinese financial authorities lent the money back to America. What else could they do with it?

So, you see, everyone had plenty of money. And the more Americans bought...the more money they had to spend. And the more they spent, the more the Chinese had to lend!

Of course, it didn’t take a genius to see that a system that depended on people buying things they didn’t need with money they didn’t really have couldn’t last long. In the event, it lasted longer than we expected. But still, not forever.
It broke down under the strain of its own absurdity.

But wait a minute. How come all of a sudden Americans don’t have any money? Won’t anyone lend any money to them? And why not?
Oh dear reader, throw us a bone!

The financial authorities are clumsily turning screws and tightening valves. They think they can fix the machine by simply getting more credit into consumers’ hands. But this machine is not that simple. In fact, it’

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:30 AM

Got a little note from someone who's been thinkin' the same thoughts I've been having :

"...One of two scenarios make the most sense to me. The first is this (and in no order of importance or chance of happening). Between now and the end of 2010 the government will releases a Pandemic or Nuclear (Nucular ala Bush) event for two reasons. The first to cull the population because as we all know, or should know, there are simply too many of us and secondly so that we literally beg for and ask for Martial Law or some sort of major governmental control. Like, “please, please, we elected you (that’s if you believe elections are real) and you’re supposed to help us!”

The second is that Americans young and old will take to the streets and demonstrate where supposedly non-lethal weapons will be used by the Darth Vader-like police who swore to help each and every one of us and also swore to uphold the Constitution (now less than a piece of paper) and we will be arrested in large masses with few insignificant deaths...

Take your choice but violent revolution is slowly brewing and the heat keeps getting turned up almost daily. I hope you’re ready with stored food goods, fuel, water, flashlights, propane to cook with and all the other myriad of things that will soon become necessities."


Personally , I've been betting on the low-yield , non-conventional 'nooky-lur' device of the 'unclean' variety...

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:00 AM

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.leno29dec29,0,585
7032.story


Yet another sign of the coming Apocalypse :

'On Jay Leno and economic truths

By Rob Long
December 29, 2008


Fifteen years ago, I had a stupid idea.

I was the co-executive producer on TV's long-running comedy Cheers. NBC, the network on which Cheers appeared, was faltering: Ratings were sliding, money was tight, management was nervous and Johnny Carson, legendary host of the Tonight Show, was retiring, and no one knew how his replacement, Jay Leno, would do.

I was 28 then, and like all 28-year-olds, I had no idea exactly how stupid I was. So when I found myself standing next to the president of NBC during the filming of an episode of Cheers, I offered my solution to his network's crisis. "You know what you should do?" I said, brimming with self-assurance. "You should move the Tonight Show with Jay Leno to 10 p.m. Think of all the money you'd save."

"That's a pretty stupid suggestion," he said to me. Only, in those days, network presidents tended to be earthier types with show-business vocabularies, so he inserted a colorful Anglo-Saxon expletive between the words "pretty" and "stupid." He then went on to explain, in a tone of voice used for the very old, the very young and the developmentally disabled, the complicated ecosystem of broadcast television, the maze of clearances and station groups and agreements that rendered such a move not only legally impossible but financially ludicrous. The five hours of prime-time weeknight programming between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m. are immensely lucrative, he explained, and hugely popular with advertisers. Cutting them out would be suicide. "The day we have to do that," he wound up, "is the day we have to shut the whole thing down."

Only he inserted a colorful Anglo-Saxon expletive between the words "whole" and "thing."

This month, the president of NBC announced that the network is moving Jay Leno to 10 p.m. with a show format very similar to the Tonight Show. Which only proves that the difference between a stupid business idea and a brilliant business idea is 15 years and an economic collapse.

When I learned this news, I was on board the merchant vessel Hanjin Miami, a container ship plying the North Pacific trade route, making a bumpy passage between Seattle and Shanghai. I booked a cabin for the three-week crossing because I had some writing to do, and I've discovered that I'm incapable of doing focused, uninterrupted work as long as there's a cell phone to ring, an e-mail to read or the Web to surf. The isolation has been very productive.

But late one night, slipping through the narrow strait between the island of Hokkaido and the main Japanese island of Honshu, the iPhone came to life. The online edition of the Los Angeles Times filled me in on the volatile Dow, on the shaky auto industry bailout, on bad Christmas retail projections. Variety.com brought me news of entertainment industry layoffs, of advertising rate implosions and the Leno shift. Sitting there in my cabin, I muttered darkly to myself, "They might have to shut the whole thing down." And I added the modifier too. I'm a merchant seaman, after all.

I didn't really have to hear bad economic news from Variety.com or latimes.com. The Hanjin Miami is a giant, floating, diesel-powered economic indicator. In fat times, it carries 7,000 containers from China to the West Coast of the United States, each one stuffed with flat screens and polo shirts and iPods and toys and jeans and every kind of extruded plastic doodad imaginable. We snap them up and send the empty containers back to Asia for a refill. Ideally, of course, we're supposed to send full containers back, filled with our stuff for them to buy, but we don't make much stuff anymore. We make complicated financial products and arcane debt instruments. Or did.

But these are lean times. The Pacific trade is slowing down. Demand in the United States is plummeting, which means fewer trips, fewer containers - both full and empty - and no need to burn expens

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:40 AM

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The financial authorities are clumsily turning screws and tightening valves. They think they can fix the machine by simply getting more credit into consumers’ hands. But this machine is not that simple. In fact, it’s not a machine at all...but a living, organic thing. It has emotions as well as a brain. It is capable of self-delusion, deceit, corruption, wishful thinking, and extravagance.



Yup indeed. Once you've seen that the Emporer is wearing nothing but his birthday suit, it's kind of hard to NOT see it anymore. We've seen that it was all a sham (and deep down, most of us knew it long before, and were just hoping we were wrong), and now we simply don't trust the systems in place to set things to right. Propping them up led to collapse, so the accepted solution is... to prop them up even more! Where do you suppose that leads?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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The financial authorities are clumsily turning screws and tightening valves. They think they can fix the machine by simply getting more credit into consumers’ hands. But this machine is not that simple. In fact, it’s not a machine at all...but a living, organic thing. It has emotions as well as a brain. It is capable of self-delusion, deceit, corruption, wishful thinking, and extravagance.



Yup indeed. Once you've seen that the Emporer is wearing nothing but his birthday suit, it's kind of hard to NOT see it anymore. We've seen that it was all a sham (and deep down, most of us knew it long before, and were just hoping we were wrong), and now we simply don't trust the systems in place to set things to right. Propping them up led to collapse, so the accepted solution is... to prop them up even more! Where do you suppose that leads?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."




Ni Hao , Mike...

There is a lot of wisdom in that article...

Where's your quote from ? It seems oddly familiar , somehow...


For Folk flyin' with us , that are inclined toward preparedness , here's a Link to a page with more useful info branched
from there :


http://www.green-trust.org/freebooks/

Lots of good , practical , useful , downloadable info , and the price is certainly right .

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:36 PM

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Got a little note from someone who's been thinkin' the same thoughts I've been having :

"...One of two scenarios make the most sense to me. The first is this (and in no order of importance or chance of happening). Between now and the end of 2010 the government will releases a Pandemic or Nuclear (Nucular ala Bush) event for two reasons. The first to cull the population because as we all know, or should know, there are simply too many of us and secondly so that we literally beg for and ask for Martial Law or some sort of major governmental control. Like, “please, please, we elected you (that’s if you believe elections are real) and you’re supposed to help us!”

The second is that Americans young and old will take to the streets and demonstrate where supposedly non-lethal weapons will be used by the Darth Vader-like police who swore to help each and every one of us and also swore to uphold the Constitution (now less than a piece of paper) and we will be arrested in large masses with few insignificant deaths...

Take your choice but violent revolution is slowly brewing and the heat keeps getting turned up almost daily. I hope you’re ready with stored food goods, fuel, water, flashlights, propane to cook with and all the other myriad of things that will soon become necessities."


Personally , I've been betting on the low-yield , non-conventional 'nooky-lur' device of the 'unclean' variety...



I whole-heartedly agree.

It's stuff like this that make me wonder why you were so viscerally attacking me. I've been saying basically this for years.

Knowing something about the people involved, I can add two more predictions:

1. Clintonistas are in power, and Clintonistas like invisible genocide and quiet little wars. Not quiet and little where they take place, but ones that don't draw nationwide attention. This means individual events like Waco, and largescale ones like Rwanda, but nothing that makes daily headlines. Nuclear weapons would make headlines, no matter how much the media has its head up the donkey's ass.

2. The NWO wants a Brave New World Order. Back in the days of world wars, they thought that the jackboot police state was the way to go. Now they've changed their mind. They want us to want it. They want us to be stoned, glued to our screens. When this doesn't work, they make fall back on jackboots.

But here are my predictions:

1. Obama's universal healthcare plan will be mandated for children. Now, healthcare is expensive, ridiculously so, and when it is mandated, and there is no control over prices, and a collapsing dollar, it will become more so. This means after the sudden revoking of the right to have children (see the UN charter on genocide for this one) The cost will in crease from a few thousand per child per years probably to 5-10,000 or more. It will go as high as it has to in order to force people back into his new work program.

2. The work program will pacify the people because it will waste all of their time. "Creating Jobs" is seen by the masses as "a good thing" not just a euphemism for "slavery." Just like FDR, the work program will serve to create a new generation of soldiers and military support staff to send off to foreign unreported wars. If he can pull a full FDR, he'll have the people begging for the chance to slave away, throw their money at the govt, and go off to die for the cause.

3. Small insurgent groups of uncooperative americans will be painted as unpatriotic, and a menace to society. The media will daily condemn them as it did the South Hill Community (whose real sin in the eyes of the government was being independent and having children) - and untracked children at that!

4. I agree with my brother's analysis that these small armed resistances will just be exterminated. The mass of people are sheep, and they will fall for the plan, and if they don't, the plan will be redesigned to fall for it. Think of how the drug culture is morphing into a whole population on some sort of psycho-active medication.

The Soma-popping optimists

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